California High School Teacher On Leave After Questioning School Shooting Walkout

[Saladin4]

I guess they got an actress to do the interview. Hmm...

Uh I believe the term is "crisis" actor....

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Weird week for schools. Earlier this week a school resource officer "accidentally" fired off 3 shots into the roof with a semi-automatic during a gun safety class. How you "accidentally" pull the trigger 3 times is beyond me.

The teacher should just play this for 17 minutes in her classroom

 

[Ahlevah]

Only for Trump Muppets. It has been out publicly shown to be true.

Okay, well, get back to us when you get tired of trolling. Ciao! :2wave:

 

[SMTA]

It's a thread, therefore teh TDS sufferers have to post TDS crap.

More like NKADM.

 

[justabubba]

I don't know where the conservatives are getting the idea that all ideas are equal, but it's certainly funny. Students should be encouraged to act and engage on issues that affect them. Gun control is one, abortion isn't. Whether protesting an issue is in the students interest should be left up to the school to decide, the idea that it's all or nothing is just stupid.

[emphasis added by bubba]

i would think students are potentially affected by abortion issues, and not necessarily smaller in proportion to those impacted by gun control measures

where i see this teacher took a wrong turn was in advancing the position that the school administration was wrong in condoning the walk-out. a sole employee makes themself vulnerable when challenging the actions of management, if management's actions are other than patently illegal

 

[Skeptic Bob]

Based only on what I read in the story I don’t think she deserves to be punished. Though I don’t agree with the abortion comparison. The country is split on legalized abortion. Everybody is against gun violence just as everybody is against cancer. There are disagreements about how to address it but everyone agrees the problem itself is bad. So she probably should have picked a better analogy.

 

[Daisy]

Weird week for schools. Earlier this week a school resource officer "accidentally" fired off 3 shots into the roof with a semi-automatic during a gun safety class. How you "accidentally" pull the trigger 3 times is beyond me.

The teacher should just play this for 17 minutes in her classroom

It'd probably get better results...

 

[j-mac]

[emphasis added by bubba]

i would think students are potentially affected by abortion issues, and not necessarily smaller in proportion to those impacted by gun control measures

where i see this teacher took a wrong turn was in advancing the position that the school administration was wrong in condoning the walk-out. a sole employee makes themself vulnerable when challenging the actions of management, if management's actions are other than patently illegal

She's right....The school administrators are indeed wrong....Their mission is to educate the students, NOT use them for some 2a protests....The teachers, and administrators that are egging this on should be fired immediately.

 

[j-mac]

Based only on what I read in the story I don’t think she deserves to be punished. Though I don’t agree with the abortion comparison. The country is split on legalized abortion. Everybody is against gun violence just as everybody is against cancer. There are disagreements about how to address it but everyone agrees the problem itself is bad. So she probably should have picked a better analogy.

While everyone is against the violence, not everyone agrees with the hard left message of abolishment of the 2a.

 

[Mach]

Strong union's or better national policy regarding school HR practices, can solve that, but we know what R's usually think about rules and unions.

A teacher should be like most employees, and receive warnings, meetings to discuss the issue, etc. 99% sure this could be resolved without and administrative leave ambush.

It has nothing to do with liberals, it's typically liberal teachers getting treated like **** from liberal administrators, it's an issue of organization/school policies, more than anything else. Two teachers in the family, I hear examples like this every Thanksgiving and Christmas.

 

[spud_meister]

[emphasis added by bubba]

i would think students are potentially affected by abortion issues, and not necessarily smaller in proportion to those impacted by gun control measures

There's far more teens having sex than shooting each other, so I won't disagree. Abortion's more of an individual's issue though, and not one you'd involve the student body in most cases. As I said, I'd leave it to the school to decide pertinent issues.

where i see this teacher took a wrong turn was in advancing the position that the school administration was wrong in condoning the walk-out. a sole employee makes themself vulnerable when challenging the actions of management, if management's actions are other than patently illegal

You're probably right in that regard.

 

[justabubba]

She's right....The school administrators are indeed wrong....Their mission is to educate the students, NOT use them for some 2a protests....The teachers, and administrators that are egging this on should be fired immediately.

her error is expressing opposition to management policy as a lone employee
this is an example where the union could address such a matter routinely, as a union matter, thus not placing the bargaining unit members and their individual careers at risk

 

[Skeptic Bob]

While everyone is against the violence, not everyone agrees with the hard left message of abolishment of the 2a.

Sure, but I haven’t seen anything about this walkabout being a protest against the 2nd Amendment. Are there leftists who want to repeal the 2nd? Yes, but they are in the minority.

I think too many of my fellow gun rights advocates are being overly defensive when it comes to anything critical of gun violence.

 

[Middle_Ground]

While in massachusetts there was a foot of snow on the ground schools were actually closed...kids went out to support there fellow students.
In Chicago young men said we want the gun violence on our streets to stop...all of us know someone that was affected by gun violence.
In North Carolina 1 lone young man sent out a Twitter video to his 6 followers. It went viral.
In Georgia some counties put padlocks on there school grounds to stop kids from speaking.

If there is a national country wide walk out, sit in, die in or whatever for abortion or any other issue then I'm with the students.
As an American I still believe I may not agree with you but I will fight for your right to say it.

Yup I'm that lefty loon, librul or whatever else you want to call me.

 

[Saladin4]

Sure, but I haven’t seen anything about this walkabout being a protest against the 2nd Amendment. Are there leftists who want to repeal the 2nd? Yes, but they are in the minority.

I think too many of my fellow gun rights advocates are being overly defensive when it comes to anything critical of gun violence.

The typical Uh ah "gun advocate" believes any new regulation will lead to a path of total confiscation of all guns by hundreds of thousands of government thugs knocking down doors in the middle of the night....Pretty much sums it up

 

[Harshaw]

It's an individual issue, not one that effects the student body as a whole.

OK, that's weak.

 

[trouble13]

That community should get rid of their school superintendent. That is how you put a stop to the indoctrination taking place in the schools. It requires people to take an interest in who is running their schools.

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[Saladin4]

That community should get rid of their school superintendent. That is how you put a stop to the indoctrination taking place in the schools. It requires people to take an interest in who is running their schools.

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They should get rid of all public schools...Replace them with Military Academy's and Religious schools teaching America First

 

[spud_meister]

OK, that's weak.

:shrug: Like I said, it should be up to the school to decide which issues are pertinent enough to allow students to protest. I don't think abortion is, but it's ok to disagree with that.

 

[HowardBThiname]

I was watching a video of a Jordan Peterson's Queen's University Talk and this thread reminded me of a Chinese student making a comment about comparing current student activism, like the SJW activists trying to disrupt the assembly, and the Maoist student "Cultural Revolution."

You can find the video here and the comments in question and Peterson's response starts at 1:02:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwdYpMS8s28

My point being that we may be seeing the rise of "weaponizing" student's, by encouraging them to walk out of schools in protest to whatever issue is the flavor of the moment for the activist elements of society.

Will the schools encourage activism for those issues they agree with and discourage it for those issues they don't?

Will we see "marches" for all sorts of causes by school students, with or without school sanction, from now on after encouraging this particular event?

That's all this teacher was trying to question, and I think it is a valid one.

Thank you. This is what I've been turning over in my mind, but you so eloquently put it into words. The Wikipedia page for the protests lists a number of Hollywood stars and others who are pumping millions into these protests to ensure that they "make a statement," but the children seem to be along for the ride.

Weaponizing the students -- yes -- that's exactly what it is.

 

[Oborosen]

This sounds like fake News put out by Russian trolls to get Right Wingers all fired up....Gee...California-Public Schools-outrage.....So easy to fire up the trump lovers

Trying a bit too hard here Saladin.

Please go be a sad sack somewhere else.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Really?

You don't think abortion is an issue for anyone biologically capable of producing a child? So all those 13 to 17 year-olds who are having sex whether mom, or dad, or Reverend SoandSo object, should be indifferent to abortion issues?

Who decides what "kids" should be concerned about?

I think that was the issue the OP's teacher was talking about.

KIDS decide what kids should be concerned about. Apparently, most kids do not consider abortion to be an issue that requires them to protest, whereas gun violence is. It is not for you, I, or the teacher to determine what kids should find important.

 

[Oborosen]

Your claim is patently false. In any case, what does it have to do with the thread topic? Please connect the dots.

Careful asking that question. They could pop a vessel.

Or fry a few brain cells building up to an answer... you know how these people are.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

It would certainly be interesting to read a transcript of the discussions between the school administration and this teacher.

 

[Blue_State]

KIDS decide what kids should be concerned about. Apparently, most kids do not consider abortion to be an issue that requires them to protest, whereas gun violence is. It is not for you, I, or the teacher to determine what kids should find important.

It is the job of the union to tell them what is important!