California High School Teacher On Leave After Questioning School Shooting Walkout

[Oborosen]

Not if the NEA and DNC have any say in their indoctrination...

If they are indoctrinated like its continuing to go. We can be pretty sure that history is going to hold true and these kids aren't even going to be active voters in the long run.

The DNC will be stuck skimming minority votes again..:lamo

 

[MrShangles]

I don't know where the conservatives are getting the idea that all ideas are equal, but it's certainly funny. Students should be encouraged to act and engage on issues that affect them. Gun control is one, abortion isn't. Whether protesting an issue is in the students interest should be left up to the school to decide, the idea that it's all or nothing is just stupid.

Here is the problem (left up to school to decide)


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[Acadia]

Based only on what I read in the story I don’t think she deserves to be punished. Though I don’t agree with the abortion comparison. The country is split on legalized abortion. Everybody is against gun violence just as everybody is against cancer. There are disagreements about how to address it but everyone agrees the problem itself is bad. So she probably should have picked a better analogy.

My quibble with this, respectfully, is that imo, this march/protest was not about gun violence as much as it was about guns and the 2nd amendment, and using children to fight the SJW's leftist agenda.
My bet is that there are millions of children who hold pro-life views and would volunteer to march for life, but that would never be part of any public school agenda, let alone be something a city would spend $100K supporting (Baltimore).

 

[Acadia]

KIDS decide what kids should be concerned about. Apparently, most kids do not consider abortion to be an issue that requires them to protest, whereas gun violence is. It is not for you, I, or the teacher to determine what kids should find important.

I disagree that when it comes to kids protesting as a school function, that what we see if the evidence of what they care about. I just don't believe this proves your theory, because in today's SJW world, the Left is dictating what children are taught and what is supported in schools.
We won't know if children in schools feel that abortion is an issue they'd march for, because "pro-life" is not an agenda the Left supports, and anyone who's followed this "anti-gun" movement using children as SJWs knows that it is supported by very deep pockets with agendas. I could list them off if you'd like, but it's very easy to Google and find out how organizations such as PP very quickly got their hooks into this.


If students were permitted to coalesce organically, I bet we'd see a lot of protests besides guns. Alas, there's nothing organic about this movement.

 

[cabse5]

High School Teacher On Leave After Questioning School Shooting Walkout « CBS Sacramento

She's been placed on leave by her HR department:



All the school system said about it was:



The gist of her point:



For some reason, that upset up people, and prompted the school to take action against her.

I came across this as I was viewing my Facebook feed, where a lot of people, including teachers and school administrators, were talking about how "proud" they were of these students for standing up for what they believe in, and I was wondering if they'd be equally as proud if the students were walking out for something they disagreed with, like, say, for a pro-life rally.

In Rocklin, CA, anyway, doesn't look like it.

SIAP.


This is an example of typical indoctrination in public schools and I've pointed out in other threads on school violence how 'ostracizing' those who disagree with the official view of the school could lead to violence. Mebe, instead of ostracizing the offender possibly leading to violence, the school could be more tolerant and diverse...and have to deal with less violence. You know, allow everyone in the school to think for themselves on an issue or subject.

Maybe, if the teacher backs down from her beliefs, she may keep her job at the school otherwise there will be frustration from the teacher. The public school wants to have everyone toe the correct ideological line. Could that lead to violence? Why should the school allow the situation to get to that? Isn't the goal of the school to prevent violence..at all costs? I think public schools are really missing the boat to prevent school violence. I wonder about this a lot.

 

[tres borrachos]

Progressives are such hypocrites. They wail against "gun violence" and the NRA ("Hey, hey, NRA, how many children did you kill today?") but support aborting the unborn by the tens of millions. 17 minutes wouldn't be enough to protest that. You might as well shut the schools down forever.

Are the people who protest against abortion but don't care about how many children are killed in their classrooms with guns hypocrites too? The answer is yes. Hypocrisy runs deep on both sides.

 

[tres borrachos]

They should get rid of all public schools...Replace them with Military Academy's and Religious schools teaching America First

Give them time. That sounds like something right up Devos' alley.

 

[Josie]

I agree with the teacher. A pro-life protest walk-out would be frowned upon in many schools especially in the more progressive places in the US and the students would most likely be punished instead of cheered.

 

[Renae]

I don't know where the conservatives are getting the idea that all ideas are equal, but it's certainly funny. Students should be encouraged to act and engage on issues that affect them. Gun control is one, abortion isn't. Whether protesting an issue is in the students interest should be left up to the school to decide, the idea that it's all or nothing is just stupid.

If it's a cause you like, they can protest. Got it.

 

[Acadia]

Are the people who protest against abortion but don't care about how many children are killed in their classrooms with guns hypocrites too? The answer is yes. Hypocrisy runs deep on both sides.

False dichotomy. I hope our high school students can do better than present facile, fallacious arguments, or at least not fall for them.

That is exactly what this teacher is trying to show them; critical thinking skills.

 

[j-mac]

Sure, but I haven’t seen anything about this walkabout being a protest against the 2nd Amendment. Are there leftists who want to repeal the 2nd? Yes, but they are in the minority.

I think too many of my fellow gun rights advocates are being overly defensive when it comes to anything critical of gun violence.

What about a student standing before the crowd talking about "shaming" or "voting out" politicians if they don't concede to banning guns is NOT a left political rally to abolish 2a rights?

Did you watch any of the coverage of the rallies?

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[j-mac]

her error is expressing opposition to management policy as a lone employee
this is an example where the union could address such a matter routinely, as a union matter, thus not placing the bargaining unit members and their individual careers at risk

Their error is in using students in their own agendas of liberal wishes.

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[cabse5]

False dichotomy. I hope our high school students can do better than present facile, fallacious arguments, or at least not fall for them.

That is exactly what this teacher is trying to show them; critical thinking skills.

And might, most likely, be fired for her lesson on critical thinking if she doesn't toe the line ideologically. Now, isn't that a great lesson for the student to learn?:doh

 

[Acadia]

And might, most likely, be fired for her lesson on critical thinking if she doesn't toe the line ideologically. Now, isn't that a great lesson for the student to learn?:doh

The teacher has been told she can come back to work today, and she said she will return on Monday, and that she misses her students.
It was 2 students (out of 120) and 1 parent that complained.

 

[cabse5]

The teacher has been told she can come back to work today, and she said she will return on Monday, and that she misses her students.
It was 2 students (out of 120) and 1 parent that complained.

I imagine the ideological nature of the school complained, too.

Be assured, the teacher will meet nothing but grief unless she repents and changes her 'blasphemous' ways or the ideological nature of the school changes. I don't see the nature of the school changing.

 

[OlNate]

What about a student standing before the crowd talking about "shaming" or "voting out" politicians if they don't concede to banning guns is NOT a left political rally to abolish 2a rights?

Did you watch any of the coverage of the rallies?

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If I apply your logic evenly, then how does a bunch of white supremacists wearing MAGA hats at a white supremacist rally not imply that all conservatives are pushing a racist agenda?

 

[Thoreau72]

How dare ye question the Liberal Agenda!

Never question authority, and always submit to its demands. Never question stories told by the authorities, for they will never deceive.

 

[DickBanks]

Progressives are such hypocrites. They wail against "gun violence" and the NRA ("Hey, hey, NRA, how many children did you kill today?") but support aborting the unborn by the tens of millions. 17 minutes wouldn't be enough to protest that. You might as well shut the schools down forever.

I suppose I could say the same about conservatives, who are pro life but also for capital punishment.

Neither make sense to me.

Pro Life means you oppose state-sponsored murder in all of its forms. Every abortion is a tragedy, and so is every execution.

 

[OlNate]

Does anyone know if there's a transcript of what the teacher was saying that got her in trouble? If all that was said was what was in the article, then I think this is a major overstep. Teachers should absolutely be using this as a teachable moment. But, if she crossed the line and tried to influence or create division, that becomes problematic. Only by seeing a video or a transcript can that call be made, but that would make a huge difference in what side I land on this.

 

[cabse5]

If I apply your logic evenly, then how does a bunch of white supremacists wearing MAGA hats at a white supremacist rally not imply that all conservatives are pushing a racist agenda?

See, you don't like gross overgeneralizations, either. Maybe one could swear off a couple of students as a full-blown leftist rally just like one could swear off KKKers being a mainstream part of the conservative movement. Could be coincidence. Neither are true.

 

[DickBanks]

The teacher has been told she can come back to work today, and she said she will return on Monday, and that she misses her students.
It was 2 students (out of 120) and 1 parent that complained.

And she got paid the entire time, according to the story. More than likely the administration saw it all as a distraction. Contrary to popular opinion a school is not a public forum. It is an educational institution, and education must be allowed to continue without distraction.

 

[ludin]

High School Teacher On Leave After Questioning School Shooting Walkout « CBS Sacramento

She's been placed on leave by her HR department:



All the school system said about it was:



The gist of her point:



For some reason, that upset up people, and prompted the school to take action against her.

I came across this as I was viewing my Facebook feed, where a lot of people, including teachers and school administrators, were talking about how "proud" they were of these students for standing up for what they believe in, and I was wondering if they'd be equally as proud if the students were walking out for something they disagreed with, like, say, for a pro-life rally.

In Rocklin, CA, anyway, doesn't look like it.

You have to remember how the extreme left views free speech.
it is only ok if i agree with what you are saying.

 

[cabse5]

Does anyone know if there's a transcript of what the teacher was saying that got her in trouble? If all that was said was what was in the article, then I think this is a major overstep. Teachers should absolutely be using this as a teachable moment. But, if she crossed the line and tried to influence or create division, that becomes problematic. Only by seeing a video or a transcript can that call be made, but that would make a huge difference in what side I land on this.

Are you kidding me? You think a teacher who tries to influence a student is 'problematic'? Let me introduce you to every teacher who tries to influence.

 

[ludin]

And she got paid the entire time, according to the story. More than likely the administration saw it all as a distraction. Contrary to popular opinion a school is not a public forum. It is an educational institution, and education must be allowed to continue without distraction.

yea and 1000 students walking out of class is not a distraction?
yet a teacher trying to cause some critical thinking in her students is?

all i have to say is :doh

 

[OlNate]

See, you don't like gross overgeneralizations, either. Maybe one could swear off a couple of students as a full-blown leftist rally just like one could swear off KKKers being a mainstream part of the conservative movement. Could be coincidence. Neither are true.

Hehe...we don't know each other very well, I guess. If you check me out, you'll see that the vast majority of the time I dismiss generalizations, regardless of what side of the debate they come from.