Bernie offers voters "free" childcare

[jnug]

Bernie needs to reconcile his "plans" which are really broad outlines with our burgeoning deficit and debt. We are now running a $1.4T deficit in discretionary spending alone. Thank you DonDon. We are going to run one for the next fiscal year and the fiscal year after that and the fiscal year after that.

There needs to be more granularity to what Bernie is proposing. He has been working on some of this stuff for 8-12 years. He should be farther along. He is either hiding it or does not have it.

Then he needs to really tell us how he paying for all this crap. Some of it is likely worth doing but not without some understanding for what the "it" actually entails and what it will cost and where the money really comes from.

His tax on stock speculation idea is screwy. One man's stock speculation is another man's stock trading for one thing. If he wants to do something logical, go back and take the Corp tax rate up to a nominal 26% from 21% as the Trump cut was waaaaaaayyyy too steep and is costing us at least $600B in revenue that we are getting NOTHING for.

 

[apdst]

Different topic, how it is applied does change the fact that it for the National good.

Obviously all that money isn't doing any good.

 

[woodsman]

Charging working families a car payment a week for child care is a great idea, just like bankrupting them over an unexpected illness. Parents should all just set up GoFundMe pages. May the best page get child care! Yee haw

I think Bernie recognizes that after every American has their tax burden double along with the doubling or even tripling of their utility bills they may need the childcare care so they can work two and three jobs to fund all the socialist programs.

That said, the last time I checked starting a family was a choice, that choice comes with responsibilities that shouldn’t be a burden for all of society.

 

[Ikari]

I think Bernie recognizes that after every American has their tax burden double along with the doubling or even tripling of their utility bills they may need the childcare care so they can work two and three jobs to fund all the socialist programs.

That said, the last time I checked starting a family was a choice, that choice comes with responsibilities that shouldn’t be a burden for all of society.

Well most families already need to have two incomes to make ends meet as is.

 

[Helix]

I think Bernie recognizes that after every American has their tax burden double along with the doubling or even tripling of their utility bills they may need the childcare care so they can work two and three jobs to fund all the socialist programs.

That said, the last time I checked starting a family was a choice, that choice comes with responsibilities that shouldn’t be a burden for all of society.

Maybe we can solve it the Republican way. First, we'll deregulate the **** out of child care. Then we can sell all of the cages that are being used for immigrant children to a massive for profit corporation so that the "free market" can solve the problem. Plus, we can get full use of those cages!

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

What Sanders describes as "free" is simply having others paying for that good/service based on those others allegedly having "too much" income/wealth. When the goal is ever more equality of outcome (via government enforced income/wealth redistribution) then the incentive to produce as much as, if not more than, one's household consumes largely disappears. When all basic needs become "rights" (supplied "free" by the government) then one only need work (on the books) in order to secure luxuries.

But if people are free from working for necessities aren't they more creative and productive? The reason our best thinkers and scientists in the renaissance were aristocrats is because they didn't have to work to survive. They could think and create.

What would Issac Newton have time to discover if he had to wake up every morning and work a coal mine?

Moreover, you're implying that people only work for survival. If that's the case then why do these wealthy businessmen continue to work despite having more money than they would need to survive for hundreds of lifetimes?

 

[ttwtt78640]

But if people are free from working for necessities aren't they more creative and productive? The reason our best thinkers and scientists in the renaissance were aristocrats is because they didn't have to work to survive. They could think and create.

What would Issac Newton have time to discover if he had to wake up every morning and work a coal mine?

Moreover, you're implying that people only work for survival. If that's the case then why do these wealthy businessmen continue to work despite having more money than they would need to survive for hundreds of lifetimes?

How, exactly, are people free from working more productive?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Sanders reveals free childcare plan for preschoolers - Axios



Once again, Bernie is trying to bribe the voters with their own money. Won't be too long before he offers everyone a free new car in exchange for voting for him.

This unrelated part I found to be hilarious:



So Sanders will gladly support a person like Bloomberg who implemented a "horrifically racist" policy for 12 years.

What a hypocrite.

It's a great idea. So poor people will have more children, since childcare is free. And then all those children will get free college. And that will help the colleges make tons of money. And there will be more college professors, who always vote Democrat. And they will re-elect Sanders.

 

[Lovebug]

What, you can't walk your own dog?

Not if you are stuck at work for 12 hrs

 

[woodsman]

So what's wrong with free child care? If a parent has to stay home with a child instead of working, how does that contribute to your economy?

Childcare can help drive the economy – forget the big boys' toys | Lucy Powell | Opinion | The Guardian

Full provision of free childcare would boost the economy | The Independent

http://www.parliament.scot/S4_Educa...ultural future/51.WomeninScotlandsEconomy.pdf

Your links all seem to be UK based programs. Keep in mind, in the US you can take advantage of the child tax credit up to $2000 per year for each child under the age of 17. There is also an additional program to cover childcare “Child and dependent care credit” that can be an additional $3000 per year for children under 13 in the household.

Child Tax Credit 2019-2020: How to Qualify & How Much It Is - NerdWallet
Tax Deductions and Credits For Parents With Children And Dependents.

 

[Slavister]

Believe it or not, but there are more options than Sanders or Trump in a nation of 330M. The idea that we the sheeple must vote for either the "D" or "R" selection offered us is the problem.

Yet the unfortunate reality is that you can either vote D/R picking the better one (of likely 2 bad options) or waste your vote.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Poverty is a cycle of dependency - continuously doing the same thing is not going to produce a different result.

The cycle of dependency theory is just a theory. In reality poverty is a lack of money and access.

 

[woodsman]

Maybe we can solve it the Republican way. First, we'll deregulate the **** out of child care. Then we can sell all of the cages that are being used for immigrant children to a massive for profit corporation so that the "free market" can solve the problem. Plus, we can get full use of those cages!

Posts like this are amusing but saddening to think it could be a legitimate opinion.

It’s also notable that posts like this show up on BS threads, Bernie Sanders. It shows how clueless the free cake crew with Bernie voters are.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Yet the unfortunate reality is that you can either vote D/R picking the better one (of likely 2 bad options) or waste your vote.

A vote to other than the winner of the election is not wasted. It is pure nonsense to assert otherwise.

 

[woodsman]

Well most families already need to have two incomes to make ends meet as is.

Maybe ponder why that is and work to reverse it.

 

[Slavister]

A vote to other than the winner of the election is not wasted. It is pure nonsense to assert otherwise.

I thought you had better reading skills. I did not say a single thing about a winner. I said a vote for neither R nor D is wasted. That's the reality and it is pure nonsense to assert otherwise.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The cycle of dependency theory is just a theory. In reality poverty is a lack of money and access.

If one requires $X in order to live then what portion of that $X comes from a meager paycheck and what portion of that $X is supplied (or made unnecessary) by the "safety net" is not important. If one's poverty was cured by adding "safety net" benefits then it is no longer remains a condition of great concern.

 

[Slartibartfast]

If one requires $X in order to live then what portion of that $X comes from a meager paycheck and what portion of that $X is supplied (or made unnecessary) by the "safety net" is not important. If one's poverty was cured by adding "safety net" benefits then it is no longer remains a condition of great concern.

I disagree. Poverty will never be a comfortable or easy condition, even if that stress is somewhat alleviated by social spending. Life is still going to suck at the low end and people are going to want to find ways to make more in order to be comfortable or feel more emotionally complete.

 

[bave]

Welcome to the leftist playbook, offer to take from someone else in order to give you free stuff. It is morality based thievery.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I thought you had better reading skills. I did not say a single thing about a winner. I said a vote for neither R nor D is wasted. That's the reality and it is pure nonsense to assert otherwise.

That is extremely conducive to supplying campaign cash (legal bribes) to both major party candidates and calling it a day. Having a choice between the candidate for a bigger federal government and the candidate for a huge federal government, both beholden to those supplying them campaign cash, is not a choice that I am willing to make.

 

[Axe Cap]

It's already $15 here in San Jose, but full-time childcare runs about $300-400 a week per child. If you have say 2-3 kids, that can be as much as your wages. Employers should be forced to pay for that as part of a livable wage.

Don't have 2-3 kids if you're making minimum wage...

 

[ttwtt78640]

I disagree. Poverty will never be a comfortable or easy condition, even if that stress is somewhat alleviated by social spending. Life is still going to suck at the low end and people are going to want to find ways to make more in order to be comfortable or feel more emotionally complete.

What if adding a (or another) minor dependent to that needy household was such a way to make more?

 

[Ikari]

Maybe ponder why that is and work to reverse it.

While I don't agree with Sander's methods, these are things that he does ponder and the questions that come up revolve around the issues he is most passionate about.

 

[Slartibartfast]

What if adding a (or another) minor dependent to that needy household was such a way to make more?

Then even if they make more, its still going to suck because there is still not quite enough money to go around, leading back to my point. The only way I can see my point not being true is that someone truly doesn't believe that it is possible to better themselves. If that is the case, that person probably needs therapy or at least a good friend.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It's already $15 here in San Jose, but full-time childcare runs about $300-400 a week per child. If you have say 2-3 kids, that can be as much as your wages. Employers should be forced to pay for that as part of a livable wage.

Hmm... why should employer pay be based on household size?