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Antisemitism- What Should the Punishment Be?

Antisemitism- What Should the Punishment Be?

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Sorry, but anyone who supports Cheeto Mussolini isn't qualified to lecture anybody else on what hate speech is. Racism or Anti-Religious Hate needs to be directed at a race or religion not a country, a lobbying group, or the politicians accepting money from that lobbying group.

That's why the Democrats drafted a resolution condemning anti-semitism. Clearly it was a pathetic measure and showed weakness on their part because they didn't single out Omar and decided to add many other forms of bigotry. You are smart enough to know that it was only because of Omars anti-semitic words that this resolution was brought up right? If you support this miserable creature then I assume you too are a Jew hater. Maybe you just hate America. Maybe you are a Nazi or a White Supremacist. They seem to like her. David Duke has been saying great things about her. Do you think she should be forced to denounce his support like people were getting on President Trump to do? Are you a hypocrite? Maybe just uneducated.
 
Omar is an anti-semite period. It not something you can debate. I know you all are trying hard to be members of the DNSP.

What recourse do people have in situations where Jewish people do abuse their power, abuse others, or operate in unison in order to advance an agenda which only benefits them? Because judging by current trends, non-Jewish people aren't allowed to criticize a Jew for any reason, without being accused of antisemitism. One example of this is Jeffrey Epstein accusing an 'antisemitic conspiracy' of being behind the allegations of sexual abuse that have followed him for over a decade now.
 
Anti-Semitism is simply negative prejudice against an individual or group based entirely on the fact that they are Jewish.

Nothing that I have heard from Representative Omar qualifies as that.

Israel is a country. It has elected leaders. Criticism of those leaders and their decisions do not qualify as Anti-Semitism. Particularly when you consider that their current president is being charged with corruption and the UN still recognizes their claim to certain Palestinian territory as an illegal occupation.

AIPAC is a lobbying group which lobbies American Politicians on behave of a foreign nation. I could be wrong, but I don't believe any other such lobbying group for any other nation on earth would be tolerated in the United States. I'm not necessarily suggesting they need to be disbanded, but clearly, it would be unacceptable for an American Politician to be putting the best interests of Israel ahead of the best interests of America. As Israel is our ally I would hope there would be few if any instances where that would be necessary, but if there is evidence of that happening I would say it is clearly deserving of scrutiny and criticism.

I wouldn't say that I agree with much of what Rep. Omar said, but it certainly doesn't qualify as hate speech or anti-Semitism, and there is no rational reason any type of resolution denouncing it at this point needed passing. Anybody attempting to compare what she said to what Steve King said is delusional.

Now, that all being said. What is the punishment for real Anti-Semitism? It would be the same as the punishment for any other form of Racism. If it's advocated for by a sitting politician they should resign, and if they refuse they should be censured, and have any important committee assignments removed. I would hope then that their constituents would vote them out in the next go around.

If it's advocated for by an ordinary citizen they should be told to go to hell, and they should find it very difficult to obtain legitimate employment. No specific legal actions should be taken against them if all they are doing is speaking, however. If someone physically attacks them for what they said that person should be arrested, however, I would not support any significant sentence against the person. Certainly not compared to almost any other form of physical assault.

I was with you until the last two paragraphs of your post. The problem with those paragraphs is the ever-broadening definition of antisemitism, which now includes statements such as Ilhan Omar has made, negates your well intentioned definition of antisemitism. The punishments you described are not going to be reserved for those seeking or perpetrating violent acts, but rather they're going to be used against ANYONE who speaks up.

The official, though non-legally binding US government's definition of antisemitism now includes criticism of Israel, and even mentioning the fact that a lobbying group exists to trade money for influence, because, oh yeah, Jews cannot be associated with money in any way which isn't glowingly positive, or you've just posited a canard. You also aren't allowed to question the intent behind the American Jewish lobby's near monolithic devotion to Make Israel Great Again by way of American tax money, because, oh yeah another canard- some Jews hold secret loyalties to foreign nations, namely Israel.

The all-encompassing nature of the official definition of antisemitism prevents me from endorsing any punishment whatsoever, as I recognize this for what it is- a propagandized weaponed designed to slay the reputation of anyone who questions the behavior of any individual Jewish person, or group of Jewish people, even when that behavior would be unacceptable if practiced by non-Jews.

The First Amendment- our Founding Fathers knew best.
 
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I choose "education classes."

I am convinced that if people were shown explicit footage of what the Nazis did to the Jewish people, the mentally ill, gay men, et al., some of those bigots would be so sickened that they would never ever again insult those groups. And those who sincerely disagree with our policy toward Israel would do so in a sensitive manner.

Actually, those classes should be given in every single secondary school and university, too.
 
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Sure, but that shouldn't be assumed. I didn't assume people who criticized Obama were racist. Plenty of people DID accuse Obama's detractors of being racist, and yes, I'm sure actual racists hated Obama for racist reasons. But unless an Obama detractor expressed ACTUAL racism I didn't assume it. Likewise, I am not going to assume anti-Semitism just because someone is critical of Israel or AIPAC's financial influence.

There is no consistency across the board; humanity, for the term racism. Only certain groups are covered by the terminology. Other groups are not protected in the same way for the same things. For example, if the words Israel Jews was replaced by the word white, and word Palestinian was replace day by the word black, the exact same situation in Israel would be called racist. The whites are not on the protected list, so there are no social protections for the same behavior. But if you exchange the word Jew for white and Palestinian for black, then it is called antisemitism if this is pointed out.

The dual standards of racism and sexism and all the other (xxxx)isms or (xxxx)phobias creates a smoke screen that gives the selected groups a pass, for engaging in all types of ism and phobia behavior. As another example, the Muslim laws and standards, with respect to women, would be called sexism, if white males did it. But it is not sexist if a protected group does it. These dual standards are obvious to those not on the list. The dual standard is ignored by those who benefit. This creates a conflict between the conscious and unconscious groups, which then and creates a backlash, that perpetuates the problems of racism. The Democrats have done this by design; divide people. If the goal was to unify people one standard would work better. Division works better with dual standards.

The problem the Democrat party faced,recently, was they had to figure out what to do when two protected groups; Muslim and Jews, were pitted against each other, since a protected group cannot be called racist by definition in the Democrat playbook. However, there was a backlash due to the hypocrisy and the dual standards that was pointed out by the non-protected groups. Omar was not censored, personally, since a protected group(s); Muslim female, cannot be racist or sexist, by definition, even if what they say would be considered racists or sexists, by a non protected group. Normally both are protected, but how do you protect both at the same time, from each other, without losing votes? All they did was reaffirm their protected list and hope it goes away.

The solution to this problem is all races should be covered, or no races should be covered. We can either all act like neurotic children or we can all act as adults and learn to handle freedom of speech. One should be able to transpose the protected list with the non protected list, and vice versa, and get the same end results.

The Democrat playbook should not have the final say, since that same playbook made the Democrat party the kings of racism back in the slavery and segregation days. The Democrats have found a way to exempt themselves from their shady past, of which they have never paid full reparations. The analogy is the old boat is sinking, so the Democrats decide to help the protected groups into the life boats. While doing so, they sneak onto the life boats and let the more honorable people, who fought against them, sink with the ship, that the Democrats once navigated. They still get to be racist, on the life boats, but now the protected groups become their army against a new set of not protected victims. The free ride and injustice of the dual standard, makes this a dedicated mercenary army.

If we are going to justify the dual standard, by looking at the past, we need to make sure the correct historical past is being used. You can't have the worse historical violators making the rules for the future. How would the party of Lincoln; Republicans, deal with this if they had the power to do so? Maybe we need to free the new slaves of Democrat bigotry. Once again we need one standard, instead of the dual standards schema the Democrats. since this was what the Democrats used during their previous reigns of segregation.
 
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I'm starting to lean towards the death penalty. We could eliminate anti-semites and dumb people at the same time.
 
What recourse do people have in situations where Jewish people do abuse their power, abuse others, or operate in unison in order to advance an agenda which only benefits them? Because judging by current trends, non-Jewish people aren't allowed to criticize a Jew for any reason, without being accused of antisemitism. One example of this is Jeffrey Epstein accusing an 'antisemitic conspiracy' of being behind the allegations of sexual abuse that have followed him for over a decade now.

If Jeffrey Epstein did what he did he can cry "anti-semitism" all he wants, but it won't help him.
 
If Jeffrey Epstein did what he did he can cry "anti-semitism" all he wants, but it won't help him.

Epstein, Maxwell, Dershowitz, Lefkowitz, Goldberger, Tribe.... It looks more like a Semitic conspiracy occurred than an antisemitic conspiracy.
 
I choose "education classes."

I am convinced that if people were shown explicit footage of what the Nazis did to the Jewish people, the mentally ill, gay men, et al., some of those bigots would be so sickened that they would never ever again insult those groups. And those who sincerely disagree with our policy toward Israel would do so in a sensitive manner.

Actually, those classes should be given in every single secondary school and university, too.

While we're at it, let's show young people the horrors of the Holodomor, which was the ethnic genocide of 9 million in Ukraine carried out by Jewish communists in 1932, which was 10 years prior to the Holocaust in Germany. Let's also include the Red Terror episode, carried out by Jewish communists again, predating Islamic terror by 100 years, and German reprisals by 25 years.

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For some strange reason, our mainstream European history lessons from the 20th century always crop out the years 1900-1932. Why do you think that is Parser? I'm not being facetious here with my question.
 
I'm starting to lean towards the death penalty. We could eliminate anti-semites and dumb people at the same time.

We are all connected, by stupidity.
 
While we're at it, let's show young people the horrors of the Holodomor, which was the ethnic genocide of 9 million in Ukraine carried out by Jewish communists in 1932, which was 10 years prior to the Holocaust in Germany. Let's also include the Red Terror episode, carried out by Jewish communists again, predating Islamic terror by 100 years, and German reprisals by 25 years.

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For some strange reason, our mainstream European history lessons from the 20th century always crop out the years 1900-1932. Why do you think that is Parser? I'm not being facetious here with my question.


Thank you very much for that information.

In school, I was never taught about those incidents that you have mentioned.

You have asked a very good question, but -- of course -- I do not dare touch that hot potato.




Have a nice new work week. (I look forward to more of your educational threads.)
 
While we're at it, let's show young people the horrors of the Holodomor, which was the ethnic genocide of 9 million in Ukraine carried out by Jewish communists in 1932, which was 10 years prior to the Holocaust in Germany. Let's also include the Red Terror episode, carried out by Jewish communists again, predating Islamic terror by 100 years, and German reprisals by 25 years.

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For some strange reason, our mainstream European history lessons from the 20th century always crop out the years 1900-1932. Why do you think that is Parser? I'm not being facetious here with my question.

This wasn't ethnic genocide. This was economically and politically motivated. It wasn't directed at the Ukranian people. Jews were killed as well. There may have been "Jews" involved, but to say that this was the "Jews" who committed the genocide is nonsense.
 
Thank you very much for that information.

In school, I was never taught about those incidents that you have mentioned.

You have asked a very good question, but -- of course -- I do not dare touch that hot potato.




Have a nice new work week. (I look forward to more of your educational threads.)

As information, sure, the content the other member referred to has merit; however, the whataboutism tone, along with the too high-level and binarily cast summary of the events themselves, in the post in which that information was presented diminishes its discursive value in advancing this thread's conversation. I mean, really. How does that content contribute to resolving the question of fitting punishment for anti-Semitic utterances and acts? Whatever lessons those events provide for answering that question were left wholly undescribed by the other member's remarks.
 
This wasn't ethnic genocide. This was economically and politically motivated.
It wasn't directed at the Ukranian people. Jews were killed as well.

Unfortunately, some people with agendas to push have been willing to deny Ukrainians and Armenians their histories as persecuted peoples of the 20th century. The ADL fought vigorously to keep both the Holodomor and Armenian genocide from being acknowledged internationally as ethnic genocide. This fact has led many, including myself, to suspect that the ADL and it's supporters seek to deny the genocides of non-Jewish people, because they want their people's suffering to take precedence over the suffering of others.

Thankfully, previous generations were not so selfish; Polish Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin, who both invented the word 'genocide', and successfully authored the UN Genocide Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide, considered the Holodomor to be ethnic genocide:

In 1953, in a speech given in New York City, Lemkin described the Holodomor as one part of "perhaps the classic example of Soviet genocide, its longest and broadest experiment in Russification—the destruction of the Ukrainian nation", going on to point out that "the Ukrainian is not and never has been a Russian. His culture, his temperament, his language, his religion, are all different... to eliminate (Ukrainian) nationalism... the Ukrainian peasantry was sacrificed...a famine was necessary for the Soviet and so they got one to order... if the Soviet program succeeds completely, if the intelligentsia, the priest, and the peasant can be eliminated [then] Ukraine will be as dead as if every Ukrainian were killed, for it will have lost that part of it which has kept and developed its culture, its beliefs, its common ideas, which have guided it and given it a soul, which, in short, made it a nation... This is not simply a case of mass murder. It is a case of genocide, of the destruction, not of individuals only, but of a culture and a nation."

On Sunday, 20 September 1953, as part of a protest in New York, The Ukrainian Weekly reported a speech by Lemkin:

An inspiring address was delivered at the rally by Prof. Raphael Lemkin, author of the United Nations Convention against Genocide, that is, deliberate mass murder of peoples by their oppressors. Prof. Lemkin reviewed in a moving fashion the fate of the millions of Ukrainians before and after 1932–33, who died victims to the Soviet Russian plan to exterminate as many of them as possible in order to break the heroic Ukrainian national resistance to Soviet Russian rule and occupation and to Communism.


Raphael Lemkin - Wikipedia


There may have been "Jews" involved, but to say that this was the "Jews" who committed the genocide is nonsense.

It's less ridiculous than people who say that the Nazi party were Christians. Review who the architects of the Ukraine famine were:

"Lazar Kaganovich was born in 1893 to Jewish parents.

As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the Northern Caucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against the Kulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.

Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine (known as the Holodomor in Ukraine).


Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia
 
As information, sure, the content the other member referred to has merit; however, the whataboutism tone, along with the too high-level and binarily cast summary of the events themselves, in the post in which that information was presented diminishes its discursive value in advancing this thread's conversation. I mean, really. How does that content contribute to resolving the question of fitting punishment for anti-Semitic utterances and acts? Whatever lessons those events provide for answering that question were left wholly undescribed by the other member's remarks.

The ADL would also prefer the Holodomor not be discussed. Where theres smoke theres fire Xelor. What response would one receive if they tried to prevent the holocaust from being talked about, and also tried to prevent it from being recognized as genocide? Quote clearly such a person would be the subject of accusation and innuendo, the objective of which would be to discredit the person and remove them from public discourse.

I also took note of the omission of the Red Terror episode, by both you and Mongidig. I referenced the Holodomor and Red Terror period as European history rarely discussed compared with the holocaust. My theory is that the brutality and terrorist nature of the Red Terrors, coupled with the Soviet Famines are rarely discussed because they

1. give legitimacy to the claims of Europeans in the early 20th century about choosing fascism in order to repel Communist plots to take over Europe

2. illuminate the genocides of others, not just those of the Holocaust, which threatens some people who wish to monopolize people's understanding of 20th century Europe with their half baked narrative

3. involve Jewish crimes against humanity, which if widely known, may detract from the carefully crafted public image of Jews as eternal victims who never contributed to the cause of Europe's troubles in the 20th century.
 
Thank you very much for that information.

In school, I was never taught about those incidents that you have mentioned.

You have asked a very good question, but -- of course -- I do not dare touch that hot potato.




Have a nice new work week. (I look forward to more of your educational threads.)

You're welcome Parser. I see that others immediately attempted to run interference with the facts, in order to keep you in the dark. This is an unfortunate fact of today, that many people would rather destroy and contaminate the historical record, rather than letting folks know the truth, and decide for themselves.

The Holodomor is recognized in the Ukraine, and was termed genocide by the Polish Jewish authority Raphael Lemkin many decades ago. The fact that some living Jews today try to erase and distort Lemkin's work and others on the subject, is both disappointing and eye opening.
 
As information, sure, the content the other member referred to has merit; however, the whataboutism tone, along with the too high-level and binarily cast summary of the events themselves, in the post in which that information was presented diminishes its discursive value in advancing this thread's conversation. I mean, really. How does that content contribute to resolving the question of fitting punishment for anti-Semitic utterances and acts? Whatever lessons those events provide for answering that question were left wholly undescribed by the other member's remarks.

The ADL would also prefer the Holodomor not be discussed. Where theres smoke theres fire Xelor. What response would one receive if they tried to prevent the holocaust from being talked about, and also tried to prevent it from being recognized as genocide? Quote clearly such a person would be the subject of accusation and innuendo, the objective of which would be to discredit the person and remove them from public discourse.

I also took note of the omission of the Red Terror episode, by both you and Mongidig. I referenced the Holodomor and Red Terror period as European history rarely discussed compared with the holocaust. My theory is that the brutality and terrorist nature of the Red Terrors, coupled with the Soviet Famines are rarely discussed because they

1. give legitimacy to the claims of Europeans in the early 20th century about choosing fascism in order to repel Communist plots to take over Europe

2. illuminate the genocides of others, not just those of the Holocaust, which threatens some people who wish to monopolize people's understanding of 20th century Europe with their half baked narrative

3. involve Jewish crimes against humanity, which if widely known, may detract from the carefully crafted public image of Jews as eternal victims who never contributed to the cause of Europe's troubles in the 20th century.

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  1. If that's your theory, fine; provide something that actually shows it to be both plausible and probable. The mere fact that you can cite an event that appears analogous to the Holocaust doesn't at all legitimate your theory's verity, particularly insofar as though "there is overwhelming evidence to support the claim that it was an act of Genocide, the evidence for the Holodomor is slightly more murky."
    • Historians agree that a famine did take place and millions of Ukrainian peasants died, but the exact number of victims is not known but scholars agree that the number is somewhere between 3 and 10 million.
    • Scholars disagree over the USSR's role in the tragedy.
      • Some scholars point to Stalin as the mastermind behind the famine, due to his hatred of Ukrainians.
      • Some assert that Stalin did not actively cause the famine, but knew about it and did nothing to stop it.
      • Other scholars argue that the famine was just an effect of the Soviet Union’s push for rapid industrialization and a by-product of that was the destruction of the peasant way of life.
      • The final school of thought argues that the Holodomor was caused by factors beyond the control of the Soviet Union and Stalin took measures to reduce the effects of the famine on the Ukrainian people.
    • You'll also need to reconcile your theory with the following:

      Despite the differences between the Holodomor and the Holocaust, some parties might find it useful to compare the two. Moore explains "past atrocities possess a certain potency in the present" and the moral power of the past events can lead to a certain group receiving victimhood status. This status becomes a useful political power in the present. What essentially is happening is that other groups have seen "the success of the Jews in gaining permanent position of center stage for their tragedy" and their success has created a fair amount of resentment or "Holocaust envy."
  2. None of that has a damn thing to do with the glaring omission I noted in your having introduce Holodomor. As I noted (black bold above), you have yet to correlate learnings drawn from the Holodomor and the event itself with the thread's core question of what should be the punishment for anti-Semitism.

    You've introduced something, Holodomor, but you've not shown how it's germane to the thread topic. All you've done is posit your unsubstantiated "theory" of an attitudinal motive for the relative obscurity of Holodomor, and that's all well and good, but that theory has nothing to do with the nature and extent of normatively fitting punishment for anti-Semitism.
 
Thank you very much for that information.

In school, I was never taught about those incidents that you have mentioned.

You have asked a very good question, but -- of course -- I do not dare touch that hot potato.




Have a nice new work week. (I look forward to more of your educational threads.)

Trotsky was Jewish, but the orders came from Stalin, who believed that problem with the Ukraine was the Ukrainians. Specifically as a Georgian, Stalin hated the Tatars, who composed the predominant population of Ukraine. Ethnic Ukrainians, mostly descended from Poles were bore no love by Stalin. Moreover, more than a million Jews were victims of the Holodomor pograms by Cossacks and Soviet troops. The post Tsar Cossacks were mostly Tatars. Starvation knows no ethnic divisions. Tatars who survived the Holodomor were deported to Siberia. Many of the surviving families returning after the fall of the Soviets. Today, the ethnic Russians and the Tatars comprise the bulk of the Ukraine population, with true ethnic Ukrainians in a very small minority. There are very few Jews left in the once great Jewish communities of Ukraine. Hitler and his Tatar allies saw to that. Yet our liberal left whines for the Ukraine Tatars in their struggles with Russia. How f'd up is that? Well, the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. A lot of hot women can be found in Kiev. Ethnic Russian women. Some true Ukrainian. Women outnumber men almost 2-1.

Stalin was like King Edward, aka Longshanks, who infamously said "The problem with Ireland is the Irish."

Until he fell out of favor, Trotsky was one of Stalin's right hand enforcers. He fell out of favor because Stalin saw Trotsky as a competitor for the Tsar's throne after Lenin died. He wasn't the first of Stalin's allies Stalin murdered. His childhood companion, and revolutionary partner, Barishnikov was the first. Barishnikov was an anarchist, too nuts even for Stalin. He appears as a character in the novel Dr. Zhivago. Stalin personally put a bullet in his brain, elevating Stalin to Lenin's inner circle. Barishnikov had fought the whites and the reds during the civil war. He was married to girl from Odessa (not the Muscovite Lara of the novel), more vicious than he was. She died during an early assault on red troops in 1918. Stalin shot Barishnikov while he was sleeping a year later.

Half cocked histories from conservatives are not quality sources for Russian history. Least of all the post revolutionary period. Russia has always been a land of personality cult leaders, from Peter the Great and the German Catherine onwards, and subject to the paranoia of constant invasion from migrating enemies east and west, being the northern land bridge between both. Give some thought to learning about the great wars between the Swedish Empire and Russia and learn how Russia became the paranoid nation that it is. Tatars and Mongols on the east, Swedes from the west, and then French seeking resources to steal. Not to mention the depredations of muslims from northern India.

After the revolution, during the civil war, we sent troops to fight on the side of the whites, instilling trust from the soviet government with our usual diplomatic left foot. Then we wonder why the Russian view us as not an ally. But they love our John Wayne western movies, and Karl May western novels written by a German who never set foot in the American west. Those Europeans are so whacky. :)

Here's a tidbit for you, when the early Colt company was in danger of going out of business, an order for what was later called the Navy Colt, one of the first successful six shooters, by Russian Tsar in 1852 for his personal bodyguard and the nascent Russian Navy, saved the company from bankruptcy. That pistol was a monster, almost 4 lbs in weight when loaded. Not an easy sidearm to handle, but a powerful .44 rimfire. The US Navy and Cavalry adopted the gun shortly after the Russians. Some say it made all the difference during our own Civil War for the Union. Southern gun making never reached that zenith. Tho the south had the Lemat, 9 chambers surrounding a shotgun shell loaded center barrel, damn heavy, even for a personal cannon.
 
The US House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed resolution HR 183 today, by a margin of 407-23. The resolution once again states that antisemitism is wrong, bad, canardful, full of tropes and wrongthinks, and just don't do it youse!

But I'm left to wonder where all of this is leading to. If congress, the senate, and White House will spend weeks of its publicly paid time to create resolutions, threats, and peer pressure in order to make one of the only members of congress who doesn't take money from AIPAC bend to their will , then what else might be in store for America? Perhaps we can understand how we feel about antisemitism with a poll.

For this poll, I'll be using the US government's definition of antisemitism, and add historical references to the origin of the word 'antisemitism', as well as punishments for antisemitism world wide as possible measures we could adopt here.



Origin of the word 'antisemitism'-

Folk get confused about the term ANTI-SEMITISM because the Zionists(A Terrorist Group) have tried to entwine Semitic Jews and Zionists as one and the same) THEY ARE NOT ZIONISTS ARE NOT SEMITES OR SEMITIC JEWS BUT CONVERTS TO JUDAISM BUT HAVE NO DIRECT LINEAGE TO Abraham,only Semitic Jews and Palestinians both Semitic Peoples can only claim this Truth...ZIONISTS ARE NOT SEMITIC,but tribes mainly from Central Asia who converted to Judaism,as I have said

The Israelites/Jews were not the Original Peoples of the area we call Israel today,it was settled by the Moabites and the Canaanites and their Capital was SALEM...The Israelites had Wars with the Canaanites and they defeated them,thus making the Jewish Capital JERUSALEM...THE JEWS THEN WIPED OUT THE CANAANITES,ABSORBING SOME WOMEN AND FEMALE CHILDREN INTO THE 12 TRIBES


Zionism emerged from around 1875 and was created by Herzell,a Gay,ATHIEST Jew...steve


Today Zionists use the term Anti-Semite against folk that criticize this banal Cult/ORGANIZATION to deflect their ILL-DEEDS...AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY(PALESTINIANS)WHICH CARRIES ON UNABATED TO TODAY
 
The ADL would also prefer the Holodomor not be discussed. Where theres smoke theres fire Xelor. What response would one receive if they tried to prevent the holocaust from being talked about, and also tried to prevent it from being recognized as genocide? Quote clearly such a person would be the subject of accusation and innuendo, the objective of which would be to discredit the person and remove them from public discourse.

I also took note of the omission of the Red Terror episode, by both you and Mongidig. I referenced the Holodomor and Red Terror period as European history rarely discussed compared with the holocaust. My theory is that the brutality and terrorist nature of the Red Terrors, coupled with the Soviet Famines are rarely discussed because they

1. give legitimacy to the claims of Europeans in the early 20th century about choosing fascism in order to repel Communist plots to take over Europe

2. illuminate the genocides of others, not just those of the Holocaust, which threatens some people who wish to monopolize people's understanding of 20th century Europe with their half baked narrative

3. involve Jewish crimes against humanity, which if widely known, may detract from the carefully crafted public image of Jews as eternal victims who never contributed to the cause of Europe's troubles in the 20th century.

Zionists Collaborated with the Nazi Junta and help sent 100,000's of Jews to the Death Camps...The Irony that today they own and run Israel,they are not even Semitic,just converts to Judaism...The Ultra Jews detest them and do not regard them as Jews at all!!!!!
 
Israel has a lot of influence on our government and anti-seminitism is used as a smoke screen for blocking important conversations among our representatives. I am tired of seeing it. The UN ruled twice now that many of the Israeli government's military activities are illegal if not outright genocidal. They are actively engaged in practices that are aimed at erasing or assimilating an entire culture. Yet we're not allowed to talk about this controversy in the U.S. government because pro-Israeli lobbiests will start feigning anti-semitism and then the targeted politicians will be alienated into a political correctness process. This process effectively baits and switches the discussion away from the pertinent issues, time and time again.

You can't say one negative thing about Israel without it being called anti-semitism, even though Israel is also occupied by Muslims, Christians, and non-denominational faiths. Tel Aviv prides itself on being a multicultural and diverse international city. But no, as far as American politics s concerned Israel is all Jews and if you talk bad about Israel then you must be a right-wing fascist in support of further Jewish holocausts.

The cronyism and hypocrisy are never ending. It's totally crazy.
 
Thank you very much for that information.

In school, I was never taught about those incidents that you have mentioned.

You have asked a very good question, but -- of course -- I do not dare touch that hot potato.




Have a nice new work week. (I look forward to more of your educational threads.)

Zionists RUN THE UKRAINE TODAY...FACT
 
Israel has a lot of influence on our government and anti-seminitism is used as a smoke screen for blocking important conversations among our representatives. I am tired of seeing it. The UN ruled twice now that many of the Israeli government's military activities are illegal if not outright genocidal. They are actively engaged in practices that are aimed at erasing or assimilating an entire culture. Yet we're not allowed to talk about this controversy in the U.S. government because pro-Israeli lobbiests will start feigning anti-semitism and then the targeted politicians will be alienated into a political correctness process. This process effectively baits and switches the discussion away from the pertinent issues, time and time again.

You can't say one negative thing about Israel without it being called anti-semitism, even though Israel is also occupied by Muslims, Christians, and non-denominational faiths. Tel Aviv prides itself on being a multicultural and diverse international city.

The cronyism and hypocrisy is never ending.

NO TRUER WORDS HAVE BEEN SAID,Northern Light...steve...Really one only needs to see the massive influence the tiny number of Zionists have,they control America and own the the US Federal Reserve
 
NO TRUER WORDS HAVE BEEN SAID,Northern Light...steve...Really one only needs to see the massive influence the tiny number of Zionists have,they control America and own the the US Federal Reserve

Just for the record, I don't affiliate myself with the above conspiracy theory.
 
Just for the record, I don't affiliate myself with the above conspiracy theory.

Not a conspiracy Theory BUT A FACT,what mushroom have you been living under Northern??
 
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