Ann Coulter says she will not speak at Berkeley: 'It’s a sad day for free speech'

[j-mac]

Is ikari equating freedom of speech with setting fires and breaking windows?

Absolutey in a way...Along with blaming the victim, in this case Coulter for trying to speak in the first place.

 

[americanwoman]

Is ikari equating freedom of speech with setting fires and breaking windows?

:doh

Where the heck did you even come up with that from anything he has written here? :lamo

 

[Ikari]

Ok, show me then where I said that the Berkeley administration "was a lawmaking authority"?

Berkeley is a PUBLICLY funded University. Therefore they MUST abide by the constitution of the United States...No?

Your claim is that they are infringing upon freedom of speech. But they're not making laws against it, they are merely responding to increased violence on their campus.

How many rioters at the Milo riot were arrested? 0....Give me a break...:roll:

Is that the school's fault? The police made the decision for the hands-off, and now given the change in climate that is changing as well, as it needs to be.

No, they first tried to place all kinds of ridiculous restrictions on where, what time, who could attend, etc on the engagement so as to force her to cancel herself. When, she kept agreeing to their stupid demands, then they tried to move the date. Then when she said that she would keep the date anyway, and show up, they held a press conference to say that they "couldn't" assure her personal safety, (an implied threat IMHO), then one of the groups inviting her got cold feet and backed out of the invite....In the face of that, she would have been a fool to carry forward.

Great day for America eh? 1st Amendment dead on a public University.

No, they tried to find an alternative through which they can properly supply security and police protection. But you don't want to see it like that because it goes against the narrative you're trying to push.

As I said, partisans only see that which they want to see.

Oh please spare me the, 'everyone who doesn't agree with my POV, is a hyper partisan' crap....Face it, for all the blather about fascism liberals do, they are now embracing the tactics, instead of intellectual opposition to stifle it....What makes libs any better than the fictitious armed police in your sig line?

Lots of people who don't agree with me are not hyper partisans. This is not one of those cases. You have no evidence or argument other than "blah blah blah liberals!!!!!" and that's just partisan BS. The FACT is that there have been violent outbreaks, and that the University nor its police had not encountered this level of violent retort before, and that now they are scrambling not only to get it under control, but to make sure that they can provide proper security for events. That's what is happening. It's not "OMG LIBERALLLLLLLLLLS!!!!!!"

You won't admit this because, again, you're trying to paint a specific scenario and can only take that which will promote it. But those are the facts. And because you can offer nothing more than "OMG LIBERALS" as a defense, your post is partisan tripe.

 

[j-mac]

Um, yeah but criminals are not lefties or righties.

LOL, who ever told you that? Look, this antifa crap is criminal for sure, maybe even terrorism, and I am pretty sure that they aren't on the right.

 

[americanwoman]

Yes they are.:lamo

In this case illegal aliens who break our laws go wimpering to the democrats for protection and amnesty for their misdeeds

oh yes, these illegal aliens who republicans don't protect at all. That's why the republican controlled congress will deport them next week. :lamo

 

[americanwoman]

LOL, who ever told you that? Look, this antifa crap is criminal for sure, maybe even terrorism, and I am pretty sure that they aren't on the right.

Okay, no right wing people commit crimes. Yeah, sure. Let's go with that one today.

 

[Mac77]

oh yes, these illegal aliens who republicans don't protect at all. That's why the republican controlled congress will deport them next week. :lamo

They should be deported for being here illegally

 

[Ikari]

Adminstrators certainly are educators

Their job is different from the professors but it is all part of the education process

I agree that we should arrest the fascist snowflakes who are breaking windows rather than the liberal educators who stand idly by and let it happen.

Maybe just fire the adminstrators/educators

But the ultimate responsibility for what happens on campus belolngs with the adminstration

Administrators don't educate anyone. The most they do is make you reformat your signature page of your dissertation because the margins weren't exactly 3/4".

Now the professors are not police and cannot arrest. They are also not responsible for the violence unless they are actively encouraging or participating in it. But they are not. As it is their campus and they don't want people running around throwing bricks through all the windows. The Administration does have responsibility for what happens on their campus. They aren't responsible for the violence as they didn't start or participate in it, but they are responsible to respond to it. And part of that response was an attempt to reschedule events so that they can ensure they could provide proper security and protection.

 

[americanwoman]

They should be deported for being here illegally

Yes, well since republicans have control and only democrats love illegals I am be sure they will be deported ASAP. Yup, I bet they will even heavily fine those big businesses that employ them too!

 

[americanwoman]

The point is, she's a troll.

I don't give a **** about Ann Coulter. And I certainly wouldn't bother wasting my time attending one of her speeches. She can do what she wants; it's of no concern to me.

I feel like at this point we're all trolling here. :2wave:

 

[reinoe]

The snowflake fascists are not that bad yet and they don't have a single figure to lead them but the similarities are striking

They had a leader in Obama. Then under Hillary's directives they escalated their actions to include attempted murder. There leader is someone behind the scenes right now but rumor has it that Obama is going to take the mantle of these Brownshirts once again. He's been saying he wants to inspire young people .

 

[Mac77]

Administrators don't educate anyone. The most they do is make you reformat your signature page of your dissertation because the margins weren't exactly 3/4".

Now the professors are not police and cannot arrest. They are also not responsible for the violence unless they are actively encouraging or participating in it. But they are not. As it is their campus and they don't want people running around throwing bricks through all the windows. The Administration does have responsibility for what happens on their campus. They aren't responsible for the violence as they didn't start or participate in it, but they are responsible to respond to it. And part of that response was an attempt to reschedule events so that they can ensure they could provide proper security and protection.

You are just being argumentative.

The liberal educatiors/university adminstration are deny coulter her right to speak at Berkeley and using the fasciist snowflakes as their excuse

 

[Mac77]

Yes, well since republicans have control and only democrats love illegals I am be sure they will be deported ASAP. Yup, I bet they will even heavily fine those big businesses that employ them too!

Sure, paul ryan and lindsey graham love illegal aliens too because it puts money in their pockets.

That why I am a strong critic of the quisling republican washington establishment

But they can be overcome

 

[Ikari]

You are just being argumentative.

The liberal educatiors/university adminstration are deny coulter her right to speak at Berkeley and using the fasciist snowflakes as their excuse

I mean, we're on a political debate board, so I think being argumentative is expected.

That being said, the professors and administration are not denying Coulter her "right to speak at Berkeley". First off, that "right" doesn't really exist. While one has right to free speech, there's no guarantee of venue. Secondly, they tried to reschedule so that they could adjust to the rising violence and provide proper security. They didn't' cancel her strictly because she is far-right. Those are merely facts.

 

[eohrnberger]

They had a leader in Obama. Then under Hillary's directives they escalated their actions to include attempted murder. There leader is someone behind the scenes right now but rumor has it that Obama is going to take the mantle of these Brownshirts once again. He's been saying he wants to inspire young people .

Seems that he's 'inspired' enough young people these last 8 years. Just look at how bad, i.e. anti-free speech, violent, rioting, the behavior from the young people he's 'inspired'. This we've had quite enough of his 'inspiration' of young people and what that inspiration incites them to do.

 

[americanwoman]

Sure, paul ryan and lindsey graham love illegal aliens too because it puts money in their pockets.

That why I am a strong critic of the quisling republican washington establishment

But they can be overcome

So when you said "illegal aliens who break our laws go wimpering to the democrats for protection and amnesty for their misdeeds"

you really meant democrats and republican establishment? Let's remember which president gave the biggest amnesty in history.

 

[Mac77]

I mean, we're on a political debate board, so I think being argumentative is expected.

That being said, the professors and administration are not denying Coulter her "right to speak at Berkeley". First off, that "right" doesn't really exist. While one has right to free speech, there's no guarantee of venue. Secondly, they tried to reschedule so that they could adjust to the rising violence and provide proper security. They didn't' cancel her strictly because she is far-right. Those are merely facts.

Actually I am not here to argue with liberals just because they are a blight on society.

If so then I would blindly argue "fer" or "agin" as you are doing now depending on where the other side is.

The liberal adminstrators are denying coulter the right to speak by allowing the fascist snowflake to threaten her physically if she comes there.

 

[TheGoverness]

Again, who cares? Don't like her, you are not forced to listen, or read her....It's a free country....

Nowhere am I saying otherwise.

There are lot's of people in the public eye, that I think are no better than trolls, but you don't see me advocating for silencing them through violence.

Strawman. I did not say I advocated to silence Ann Coulter through violence. I do not support silencing anyone's speech through violent means.

That's not true or you wouldn't bother to post....

I am more concerned with the topic of freedom of speech, than I am with Ann Coulter specifically.

Why not? Do opposing views frighten you? Is your belief system so fragile that you can't stand to hear someone speak the opposing viewpoint?

No, I don't feel like wasting my time listening to a troll like Ann. Opposing views don't frighten me. You should know that, since we have argued with each other plenty of times in the past.

Apparently not, but that's ok, right?

Who said it's OK? I'm certainly not saying that.

Again, why post in a thread about it then?

Because concerns about freedom of speech on college campuses is a topic that is important to me, and one that I feel like needs to be addressed.

 

[Mac77]

So when you said "illegal aliens who break our laws go wimpering to the democrats for protection and amnesty for their misdeeds"

you really meant democrats and republican establishment? Let's remember which president gave the biggest amnesty in history.

No.

The illegal aliens run to the democrats but snake-in-the-grass repubs like ryan keep hoping for a piece of the action down the road

 

[Ikari]

The liberal adminstrators are denying coulter the right to speak by allowing the fascist snowflake to threaten her physically if she comes there.

No they're not. She still has the right to free speech. She doesn't have right to Berkeley's facilities, never did. And they tried to reschedule and accommodate, but they have to take into account the rise in violence. Those are facts.

I would say, you're not here to argue, given your posting history. Your arguments are nothing more than partisan narratives you wish to advance, as you are trying to do so here.

 

[americanwoman]

No.

The illegal aliens run to the democrats but snake-in-the-grass repubs like ryan keep hoping for a piece of the action down the road

Anyways, we are getting off topic here.

Back on topic, Ann Coulter still sucks and I believe she has the right to suck anywhere.

 

[Hypothetical]

Ann Coulter doesn't need to give her speech at Berkley now, though, right? Gavin Mcinnes read it for her from what I understand... or part of it anyway:

Gavin McInnes, Lauren Southern headline free speech rally at University of California, Berkeley - Washington Times

still, I guess it doesn't clear up the issue regarding her free speech.

 

[Mac77]

No they're not. She still has the right to free speech. She doesn't have right to Berkeley's facilities, never did. And they tried to reschedule and accommodate, but they have to take into account the rise in violence. Those are facts.

I would say, you're not here to argue, given your posting history. Your arguments are nothing more than partisan narratives you wish to advance, as you are trying to do so here.

Coulter has been trying to speak at berkeley for months

The liberal educaors/adminstration has had plenty of time to deal with the security issue but they simply do not want her there any more than the liberal snowflakes do.

 

[reinoe]

No they're not. She still has the right to free speech. She doesn't have right to Berkeley's facilities, never did. And they tried to reschedule and accommodate, but they have to take into account the rise in violence. Those are facts.

I would say, you're not here to argue, given your posting history. Your arguments are nothing more than partisan narratives you wish to advance, as you are trying to do so here.

Coulter was there to speak on the invite of the Campus Republicans. Not anyone else. She had the right to speak because she and the young republicans followed all of Berkeley's guidelines and rules. If the Gay Black Trangered non-binary otherkin illegal immigrant student union doesn't like it all they had to do was not attend. Happens all the time all over the world every day.

If I don't want to go to a poetry reading I don't go. I most certainly don't proceed to smash the windows of the local coffee shop and attack the people there. Berkeley should never have given to the terrorist Antifas group. The only silver lining is that Berkeley students can put their antifas membership on the resume's when applying for a job as a paid protester or professor.

 

[Mac77]

Anyways, we are getting off topic here.

Back on topic, Ann Coulter still sucks

and I believe she has the right to suck anywhere.

Then do you agree that the berkeley adminstrators are not doing their job?