Ann Coulter says she will not speak at Berkeley: 'It’s a sad day for free speech'

[AlbqOwl]

I think that she should have spoken and let the riots commence. The best thing conservatives could do right now is to use Berkeley as a place to show America the true face of the violent left. Show America where the real problem lies. Start getting as many right-wing speakers there as possible to expose these cretins for the thug that they are. Force LE to start arresting the rioters en masse if needed and if there aren't enough local officers, bring in county and state officers. Instead of letting the thugs win, give them the rope needed to hang themselves.

That is what she intended to do. But when the Berkeley Administration refused to allow her a venue on campus or provide her security, she didn't have much choice.

And yes it exposes the liberal hypocrisy of Berkeley administrators who allow violent protests against conservative speakers on campus, who allow protests demanding safe spaces for transgenders and people of color at Berkeley (which those groups already have), who allow protests to disrupt conservative students trying to study and harass white students while allowing students of color to pass, etc.

Liberals purport themselves to be the most tolerant and inclusive people on Earth when in fact, those at Berkeley are the most intolerant and hateful people imaginable and the Administration is no better when it allows them to exercise that hate and intolerance on campus.

And alas, that kind of ideological cancer is spreading.

 

[Ikari]

Coulter has been trying to speak at berkeley for months

The liberal educaors/adminstration has had plenty of time to deal with the security issue but they simply do not want her there any more than the liberal snowflakes do.

Coulter was scheduled to speak, as was Milo. But they also had to respond to the violence that occurred. It wasn't because they "simply did not want her there", if that were the case they would not have had her or Milo scheduled to speak on campus. These are facts.

 

[Mac77]

Coulter was there to speak on the invite of the Campus Republicans. Not anyone else. She had the right to speak because she and the young republicans followed all of Berkeley's guidelines and rules. The campus provost then immediately contacted the terrorist group Antifas.

The liberal educators at berkeley are using the brown shirt snowflakes as an exuse to deny coulter a chance to speak

 

[Ikari]

The campus provost then immediately contacted the terrorist group Antifas.

Prove that.

 

[Mac77]

Coulter was scheduled to speak, as was Milo. But they also had to respond to the violence that occurred. It wasn't because they "simply did not want her there", if that were the case they would not have had her or Milo scheduled to speak on campus. These are facts.

Berkeley did not "deal with the violence"

They let the fascist students run wild while they retreated to a corner and sucked their thumbs

 

[americanwoman]

Then do you agree that the berkeley adminstrators are not doing their job?

I think their first priority should be student safety, as with any school.

If someone is scheduled to come and visit and there is a risk of that safety being violated, their responsibility should be to re-evaluate the situation and make the best decision. We might all disagree on the decision they make but if they feel it's the best decision for the safety of the students, it's ultimately their choice.

 

[j-mac]

Your claim is that they are infringing upon freedom of speech. But they're not making laws against it, they are merely responding to increased violence on their campus.

And what is their response that you speak of? Saying that they can't control it? Asking Coulter not to come?

Is that the school's fault? The police made the decision for the hands-off, and now given the change in climate that is changing as well, as it needs to be.

That is false.

Let's see what a pro police org has to say about it...

"Officers Ordered Not To Help

When officers arrived at the area where the protesters were gathered at about 2 PM, they were ordered into the Martin Luther King building where the speech was to take place, where they would “shelter in place” until almost midnight. The officers were ordered to lock the doors and do nothing to help the beaten and injured victims who begging them for help on the other side of the glass, long after the event was cancelled and Yiannopoulos evacuated.

Everybody should rightfully be asking: how is it possible that such violence and criminality could take place at a planned event on a university campus while the police, in essence, surrendered their authority and allowed total anarchy?"

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/uc-berkeley-police-riot-response/

No, they tried to find an alternative through which they can properly supply security and police protection. But you don't want to see it like that because it goes against the narrative you're trying to push.

Oh, was this speech just sprung on them overnight? No....Get a better argument, that one doesn't fly....

Lots of people who don't agree with me are not hyper partisans. This is not one of those cases. You have no evidence or argument other than "blah blah blah liberals!!!!!" and that's just partisan BS. The FACT is that there have been violent outbreaks, and that the University nor its police had not encountered this level of violent retort before, and that now they are scrambling not only to get it under control, but to make sure that they can provide proper security for events. That's what is happening. It's not "OMG LIBERALLLLLLLLLLS!!!!!!"

Yeah? Milo riot was in Feb...It's now April....In those two months have there been any policy changes to address what happened there, and what will be tolerated going forward from the Milo event? If so please provide it...You can't...All you can do is type that laughable blather trying in vein attempt to cover for a University that not only doesn't care about the violence as long as it is against ideologically opposed viewpoints, then they can say hey it wasn't us....It's crap, and you know it....Indefensible....

You won't admit this because, again, you're trying to paint a specific scenario and can only take that which will promote it. But those are the facts. And because you can offer nothing more than "OMG LIBERALS" as a defense, your post is partisan tripe.

Then don't respond if you feel that way....But, you complain that I am not offering fact, yet I have yet to see one fact to back up your assertions refuting my belief that the University administration is using groups like antifa to achieve their goals of suppressing views that they oppose....If you have something feel free to post it....Other than that, I am less interested in your opinion about partisan this, and partisan that, as though you are some kind of arbiter of what others opinions should be to be proper....:2wave:

 

[Ikari]

Berkeley did not "deal with the violence"

They let the fascist students run wild while they retreated to a corner and sucked their thumbs

They are changing their policies. The police had a "hands-off" approach previous in part due to concerns that action on their behalf would exacerbate, partly because of the blowback they received in 2011 when the beat the crap out of those Occupy protesters. They hadn't seen black blok style violence before. Now this is known, and now policies are changing. These are facts.

 

[j-mac]

Okay, no right wing people commit crimes. Yeah, sure. Let's go with that one today.

didn't say that....Can you be honest please?

 

[Mac77]

I think their first priority should be student safety, as with any school.

If someone is scheduled to come and visit and there is a risk of that safety being violated, their responsibility should be to re-evaluate the situation and make the best decision. We might all disagree on the decision they make but if they feel it's the best decision for the safety of the students, it's ultimately their choice.

Student safety by conceeding control of the campus to radicals and student fascists?

Let them have their way and MAYBE the violence prone snowflakes won't hurt anyone?

You can't be serious?

 

[j-mac]

Nowhere am I saying otherwise.



Strawman. I did not say I advocated to silence Ann Coulter through violence. I do not support silencing anyone's speech through violent means.



I am more concerned with the topic of freedom of speech, than I am with Ann Coulter specifically.



No, I don't feel like wasting my time listening to a troll like Ann. Opposing views don't frighten me. You should know that, since we have argued with each other plenty of times in the past.




Who said it's OK? I'm certainly not saying that.




Because concerns about freedom of speech on college campuses is a topic that is important to me, and one that I feel like needs to be addressed.

Your concern regarding freedom of speech is underwhelming in the face of who's rights are abridged.

If it were say Rachel Maddow facing this on say the campus of Hillsdale college, from some right wing group, I'd have the same things to say.....Would you?

 

[Mac77]

They are changing their policies. The police had a "hands-off" approach previous in part due to concerns that action on their behalf would exacerbate, partly because of the blowback they received in 2011 when the beat the crap out of those Occupy protesters. They hadn't seen black blok style violence before. Now this is known, and now policies are changing. These are facts.

Let me know when coulter gives her speech on the berkeley campus

 

[j-mac]

They are changing their policies. The police had a "hands-off" approach previous in part due to concerns that action on their behalf would exacerbate, partly because of the blowback they received in 2011 when the beat the crap out of those Occupy protesters. They hadn't seen black blok style violence before. Now this is known, and now policies are changing. These are facts.

Show us what they are supposedly doing in policy changes....Otherwise, it is an empty claim.

 

[Ikari]

And what is their response that you speak of? Saying that they can't control it? Asking Coulter not to come?

They tried to reschedule it, but it was rejected. They are changing policing tactics as well.

That is false.

Let's see what a pro police org has to say about it...

"Officers Ordered Not To Help

When officers arrived at the area where the protesters were gathered at about 2 PM, they were ordered into the Martin Luther King building where the speech was to take place, where they would “shelter in place” until almost midnight. The officers were ordered to lock the doors and do nothing to help the beaten and injured victims who begging them for help on the other side of the glass, long after the event was cancelled and Yiannopoulos evacuated.

Everybody should rightfully be asking: how is it possible that such violence and criminality could take place at a planned event on a university campus while the police, in essence, surrendered their authority and allowed total anarchy?"

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/uc-berkeley-police-riot-response/

It's not false under the narrative you want to push. They type of violence demonstrated by Black Bloc had not previously been encountered. The police generally had a hands off policy, in part because of back in 2011 there was a lot of backlash against their beating of Occupy protesters. But now we've seen where the system is at, and those policies are changing.

Oh, was this speech just sprung on them overnight? No....Get a better argument, that one doesn't fly....

The speech wasn't, but essentially the level of violence was. They are scrambling to get things changed and needed to provide more security and looked for an opportunity to do so, which is why they were looking to reschedule. Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative. But that's what's going on. Postponing the talk was part of the response in order to establish better security.

Yeah? Milo riot was in Feb...It's now April....In those two months have there been any policy changes to address what happened there, and what will be tolerated going forward from the Milo event? If so please provide it...You can't...All you can do is type that laughable blather trying in vein attempt to cover for a University that not only doesn't care about the violence as long as it is against ideologically opposed viewpoints, then they can say hey it wasn't us....It's crap, and you know it....Indefensible....

Indeed, and that's why Milo was cancelled, and Coulter was merely being rescheduled to a time when better security could be provided. But it was rejected.

All you can do is type that laughable blather trying in vein attempt to attack the University and blame "liberals".

Then don't respond if you feel that way....But, you complain that I am not offering fact, yet I have yet to see one fact to back up your assertions refuting my belief that the University administration is using groups like antifa to achieve their goals of suppressing views that they oppose....If you have something feel free to post it....Other than that, I am less interested in your opinion about partisan this, and partisan that, as though you are some kind of arbiter of what others opinions should be to be proper....:2wave:

You want to make the positive assertion that they are using groups like antifa to achieve their goals, you're going to have to prove it. I've provided the facts that the level of violence was unprecedented, that they University was not prepared to deal with it, and that now the University is moving to address it. You're the one making things up about liberals and conspiracy theories of collusion between Berkeley and antifa.

 

[Ikari]

Show us what they are supposedly doing in policy changes....Otherwise, it is an empty claim.

They tried to move Coulter to a different time and venue to provide a more secure environment. There is increased police presence, and we saw in the last clash of antifa vs white supremacists more arrests. They'll have to work closer with the city police, and there's no doubt they need to do a better job.

But this narrative that your side is trying to paint, that they are doing this specifically to keep out the far-right and alt-right is just ridiculous. There's an actual stimulus here.

 

[reinoe]

Prove that.

An anonymous source told me.

 

[Ikari]

An anonymous source told me.

Yup, thought so.

Partisans and their lack of evidence.

 

[americanwoman]

Student safety by conceeding control of the campus to radicals and student fascists?

Let them have their way and MAYBE the violence prone snowflakes won't hurt anyone?

You can't be serious?

I think the safety of the students should be top priority, yes I am extremely serious.

If someone is causing that to be disrupted of course the school should try and work it out so that they can provide the security so that all students are protected. From what I read, it sounds like that's what they were trying to do.

 

[Ikari]

I think the safety of the students should be top priority, yes I am extremely serious.

If someone is causing that to be disrupted of course the school should try and work it out so that they can provide the security so that all students are protected. From what I read, it sounds like that's what they were trying to do.

They're making some attempt at it, the arrests are certainly going up and police presence is being increased at protest events. I think they're going to have to get more aggressive with the policing though, and really get with the City to provide substantial police presence and increase intervention. They're going to need more arrests and the city will need to take aggressive prosecution. Those causing the violence need to be in prison.

 

[apdst]

Sorry to keep you waiting, I have something called a life.

Now she is smart and has something of a sense of humor, I won't deny that however her whole shtick is dividing us as a people and I firmly disagree with that tactic. I don't think she even believes half the stuff she says, like when she makes comments like "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity" to me that discredits her and in my view becomes more of a character than an actual woman with extreme views. She is now playing to her audience to make herself more money.

I have not read her books but from the things I read about them, I am not missing much. People like her love to blame all the woes in life on liberals while completely ignoring their own sides failures. One instance of her not standing up and admitting when someone she likes did something wrong, Trump mocking the disabled reporter and she still defended him when you know if it was a liberal she hated to did that, her stance would be the complete opposite.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-disability-she-cant/?utm_term=.512d12956e01

You hate her because you've been told to. That's what I thought, but thanks for confirming it.

 

[j-mac]

They tried to reschedule it, but it was rejected. They are changing policing tactics as well.



It's not false under the narrative you want to push. They type of violence demonstrated by Black Bloc had not previously been encountered. The police generally had a hands off policy, in part because of back in 2011 there was a lot of backlash against their beating of Occupy protesters. But now we've seen where the system is at, and those policies are changing.



The speech wasn't, but essentially the level of violence was. They are scrambling to get things changed and needed to provide more security and looked for an opportunity to do so, which is why they were looking to reschedule. Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative. But that's what's going on. Postponing the talk was part of the response in order to establish better security.



Indeed, and that's why Milo was cancelled, and Coulter was merely being rescheduled to a time when better security could be provided. But it was rejected.

All you can do is type that laughable blather trying in vein attempt to attack the University and blame "liberals".




You want to make the positive assertion that they are using groups like antifa to achieve their goals, you're going to have to prove it. I've provided the facts that the level of violence was unprecedented, that they University was not prepared to deal with it, and that now the University is moving to address it. You're the one making things up about liberals and conspiracy theories of collusion between Berkeley and antifa.

You haven't provided anything other than your opinion. No links, no statements, nothing.

You say they are addressing it with policy change? SHOW ME!

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[apdst]

I think the safety of the students should be top priority, yes I am extremely serious.

If someone is causing that to be disrupted of course the school should try and work it out so that they can provide the security so that all students are protected. From what I read, it sounds like that's what they were trying to do.

The police need to do their job, or maybe the Feds need to step in.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Coulter was scheduled to speak, as was Milo. But they also had to respond to the violence that occurred. It wasn't because they "simply did not want her there", if that were the case they would not have had her or Milo scheduled to speak on campus. These are facts.

The Administrator didn't schedule the speakers. The Republican Club did. The Administrators would have bent over backward to accommodate a liberal speaker. But not those they didn't want there.

 

[americanwoman]

You hate her because you've been told to. That's what I thought, but thanks for confirming it.

:lol: Maybe people tell you what to think but for most of us here, we form our own opinions.

 

[j-mac]

They tried to move Coulter to a different time and venue to provide a more secure environment. There is increased police presence, and we saw in the last clash of antifa vs white supremacists more arrests. They'll have to work closer with the city police, and there's no doubt they need to do a better job.

But this narrative that your side is trying to paint, that they are doing this specifically to keep out the far-right and alt-right is just ridiculous. There's an actual stimulus here.

No...what date were they proposing? What venue? Do you have anything at all backing this assertion other than your opinion?


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