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Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

or male applied birth control would be almost universal

Roberts plays the same ‘long game’ as McConnell. There’s no way he’s going to overturn R v. W with THIS law before the NEXT election. He’ll just keep chipping away at it as you’ll remember Kennedy doing around 1992.

Roberts will keep hope alive for the fundies, the crucial block for GOP turnout. My new GAGG rule is JAGGG — Judges, Abortion, Guns, God, Gays — in that order; for the majority of #45 voters.

Dummie Demwits still haven’t figured out REDMAP 2010, let alone what’s coming from Parscale with REDMAP 2020. Pathetic turnout and choices really did give the GOP the first half of this century. Now we’re stuck with S. Miller running the show. (and Molten Bolton)
 
The 'libs' got for you all the rights and freedoms you enjoy today, including women's right to a safe abortion. And we have to be constantly on guard because conservatives, when they get all giddy with power, will start rolling back rights until it's 1955 again.

The "libs" spend their entire existence helping government diminish our liberties and freedoms, and would love to rewrite the Constitution in order to take even more away. It is absolutely delusional to think the libs did anything to strengthen our Constitutional protections from government.
 
The "libs" spend their entire existence helping government diminish our liberties and freedoms, and would love to rewrite the Constitution in order to take even more away. It is absolutely delusional to think the libs did anything to strengthen our Constitutional protections from government.

Every civil rights advancement in the US has been led by liberals
 
That is a bad answer. Big government is necessary to assure universal health care. By opposing universal health care those who pretend to be "pro live" expose their hypocrisy.

Spoken like a true Marxist. Thank God the founders didn't think like that.
 
Sure, like when they filibustered against civil rights legislation with their KKK Exalted Cyclops Senator, Robert Byrd. Great point, LOL!

Have conservatives led the fight for every civil rights advancement?

Hahahahaha
 
The "libs" spend their entire existence helping government diminish our liberties and freedoms, and would love to rewrite the Constitution in order to take even more away. It is absolutely delusional to think the libs did anything to strengthen our Constitutional protections from government.

Libs wrote your constitution, laddybuck. Conservatives will roll back your rights and freedoms to the bad old days in the '50's if they're allowed to.
 
Spoken like a true Marxist. Thank God the founders didn't think like that.

How to Disagree, by Paul Graham

If we're all going to be disagreeing more, we should be careful to do it well. What does it mean to disagree well? Most readers can tell the difference between mere name-calling and a carefully reasoned refutation, but I think it would help to put names on the intermediate stages. So here's an attempt at a disagreement hierarchy:

DH0. Name-calling.

This is the lowest form of disagreement, and probably also the most common. We've all seen comments like this:
u r a fag!!!!!!!!!!
But it's important to realize that more articulate name-calling has just as little weight. A comment like
The author is a self-important dilettante.
is really nothing more than a pretentious version of "u r a fag."

How to Disagree

PyramidofDisagreement.webp

It is unfortunately true that most political arguments on internet forums never rise above the lowest two levels of Paul Graham's hierarchy of disagreement.

If you must know, I think Karl Marx had two valid insights, and was wrong about everything else.

By resorting to name calling you reveal that you cannot refute my argument that those who are opposed to abortion and universal health care do not deserve to be called "pro life." They have other concerns that they prefer not to discuss candidly.
 
You consider Abraham Lincoln a conservative?

yes

Born in Kentucky, Lincoln grew up on the frontier in a poor family. Self-educated, he became a lawyer, Whig Party leader, state legislator and Congressman. He left government to resume his law practice, but angered by the success of Democrats in opening the prairie lands to slavery, reentered politics in 1854. He became a leader in the new Republican Party

Abraham Lincoln - Wikipedia
 
Brian Lyman, Montgomery Advertiser Published 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019 | Updated 10:08 p.m. ET May 14, 2019

MONTGOMERY, Ala. The Alabama Senate on Tuesday passed a bill criminalizing abortion in nearly all cases, approving the most sweeping restrictions on the procedure in the United States and almost certainly guaranteeing a legal challenge.

The measure passed the Senate 25-6 after more than four hours of often emotional debate that at one point led to the introduction of spectators who had abortions after being raped. The chamber rejected putting exceptions in for rape and incest on a 21-11 vote.

The bill now goes to Gov. Kay Ivey, who has not indicated whether she would sign it.

Sponsored by Republican Rep. Terri Collins, the bill would make it a felony punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison to perform an abortion in the state of Alabama. Attempting to perform an abortion would be a felony, punishable by one to 10 years in prison.

Alabama abortion bill approved in state Senate; bill goes to governor

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This will certainly go to the Supreme Court. I will be interested in seeing how the largely Republican Supreme Court votes on this.

I do not believe that the leaders of the Republican Party really want the Roe vs Wade Supreme Court Decision of 1973 to be overturned. The Roe decision led to the creation of the religious right. This is a mass movement of largely lower middle class whites who rarely have much enthusiasm for Republican tax cuts for the rich. Most evangelical whites voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976. Because President Carter avoided the abortion issue, anti abortion evangelicals and Roman Catholics became disenchanted with him.

In 1979 Jerry Falwell formed the Moral Majority. This persuaded Evangelicals to abandon a sincere, born again Christian president to vote for a man who had signed a law legalizing abortion as governor of California, who had divorced his first wife, and who rarely attended church.

Since then the Republican Party has been dancing an awkward pirouette around the abortion issue. Every four years the Republican Party platform condemns abortion. Nevertheless, when Republican presidents have Republican Senates they somehow manage to avoid advancing justices to the Supreme Court who overturn the Roe decision when they have the opportunity to do so.

As long as abortion is off the table democratically, pro abortion people who vote Republican because of economic issues feel that it is safe for them to do so. Anti abortion people who lack enthusiasm for Republican economic policies vote Republican because for them social issues are more important than economic issues.

Donald Trump has promised Evangelicals that he will appoint anti abortion justices to the Supreme Court. Therefore most Evangelicals support Trump even though his piety is even more dubious than Reagan's.

Speaking for myself, I am in favor of legal abortion, but I dislike the Roe vs Wade decision. I think it was a flimsy piece of legal reasoning. I also believe that the Democrat Party will benefit if Roe is overturned.
This is a pretty smart analysis. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, but it made me think - thanks for posting :)



I will say, if SCOTUS rules that a state can protect what it identifies as an unborn child, then what happens is the battle just goes back to the States.


And our national politics can become much less acrimonious. That's a result worth hoping for.

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So what? You really think Republican equals conservative in that context? Do you think Republicans have all aways been conservatives?
****sakes. In my lifetime there were lots of liberal Republicans and lots of conservative Democrats. Do you really need to be taught American history by a Canadian?

edit- do you know what the Whig Party was that your quote mentions Lincoln joined? They're the Liberal Party in Britain and Canada, opposed to the Tories, the Conservative Party. Do you remember 'Tories' from your American history classes?
 
Every civil rights advancement in the US has been led by liberals
If by this you mean Classic Liberals, you have an argument.

If by this you mean Progressives....

... Much less so.

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So what? You really think Republican equals conservative in that context? Do you think Republicans have all aways been conservatives?
****sakes. In my lifetime there were lots of liberal Republicans and lots of conservative Democrats. Do you really need to be taught American history by a Canadian?

edit- do you know what the Whig Party was that your quote mentions Lincoln joined? They're the Liberal Party in Britain and Canada, opposed to the Tories, the Conservative Party. Do you remember 'Tories' from your American history classes?
It's a problem because American Conservative has always meant the preservation of the Classic Liberal ideals of our founding. So, yes, the argument that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights would indeed be a conservative position.

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So what? You really think Republican equals conservative in that context? Do you think Republicans have all aways been conservatives?
****sakes. In my lifetime there were lots of liberal Republicans and lots of conservative Democrats. Do you really need to be taught American history by a Canadian?

edit- do you know what the Whig Party was that your quote mentions Lincoln joined? They're the Liberal Party in Britain and Canada, opposed to the Tories, the Conservative Party. Do you remember 'Tories' from your American history classes?

So what?

You really think

Do you really need to be taught

do you know what

Do you remember

angry and wrong history denier.
 
Do it Barf O Kavanaugh and Conservative Supreme Court: Ban Abortion. Do it because its time to teach non voting lazy ass democrats and independents why you never sit at home, you never vote 3rd party, and you never vote for a republican.
 
It's a problem because American Conservative has always meant the preservation of the Classic Liberal ideals of our founding. So, yes, the argument that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights would indeed be a conservative position.

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Okay fine. Is that why conservatives consistantly want to roll back the rights liberal won? Don't kid yourself- the right of a woman to a safe abortion s just where it starts. Conservatism is feeling all triumphant and giddy with success and next will be, what? Gay marrage? Women in the military? Legal pot?
The conservative agenda has just begun to demand it's feeding.
 
So what?

You really think

Do you really need to be taught

do you know what

Do you remember

angry and wrong history denier.

You got nothing. Don't waste my time with stupidity like this ^^^ again.
 
Okay fine. Is that why conservatives consistantly want to roll back the rights liberal won? Don't kid yourself- the right of a woman to a safe abortion s just where it starts.

Actually, in the case he mentioned, it started when we "rolled back" whites' property rights. Like ending slavery, ending child-murder (and, yes, we see it that way) is a net expansion of the protections of liberty.

Conservatism is feeling all triumphant and giddy with success and next will be, what? Gay marrage? Women in the military? Legal pot?
The conservative agenda has just begun to demand it's feeding.

Legal pot I think you'd be surprised on. Nor am I aware of any next-ridgeline push for the items you mention.

Far more likely would be that the same energy (and, as you mention, potentially more) would turn to the State level, where policy would now be decided, seriously reducing the culture wars (and the acrimony they produce) at the national level.
 
Okay fine. Is that why conservatives consistantly want to roll back the rights liberal won? Don't kid yourself- the right of a woman to a safe abortion s just where it starts. Conservatism is feeling all triumphant and giddy with success and next will be, what? Gay marrage? Women in the military? Legal pot?
The conservative agenda has just begun to demand it's feeding.

Blacks make up 7% of population and 40% of abortions...GOP fights against abortions which would result in more black babies...which party is promoting racism?
 
Libs wrote your constitution, laddybuck. Conservatives will roll back your rights and freedoms to the bad old days in the '50's if they're allowed to.

Boy, do you have things backwards. Libs we lead you to tyranny.
 
Actually, in the case he mentioned, it started when we "rolled back" whites' property rights. Like ending slavery, ending child-murder (and, yes, we see it that way) is a net expansion of the protections of liberty.



Legal pot I think you'd be surprised on.

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You're doing the same thing, conflating something a Republican did with a conservative accomplishment. If you identify as a conservative that doesn't mean you get to lock arms with every Republican in history. It wasn't until Reagan and Goldwater and the western contingent took ownership of the Republican Party that Republican meant conservative.
Same with the Democrats. In my lifetime there were lots of conservative Democrats. Hell, had George Wallace got the chance to run against Nelson Rockefellar you would have had a conservative Democrat against a liberal Republican.
 
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