Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

[dirtpoorchris]

It's already dead. It had an anesthetic, lethal injection first. That's the law.

Why would you prefer a more inhuman procedure that would cause more internal damage to the woman? Please explain?

I dunno but I think ill listen to the doctor whos actually done it and was grossed out enough by yanking off baby legs and crushing babyskulls enough to quit his career. Plus if a baby can kick at 24 weeks old it has sentience.

 

[vegas giants]

I dunno but I think ill listen to the doctor whos actually done it and was grossed out enough by yanking off baby legs and crushing babyskulls enough to quit his career. Plus if a baby can kick at 24 weeks old it has sentience.

No it doesn't

 

[Lursa]

I dunno but I think ill listen to the doctor whos actually done it and was grossed out enough by yanking off baby legs and crushing babyskulls enough to quit his career. Plus if a baby can kick at 24 weeks old it has sentience.

Did he say that no injection was given? Yes or no? And if he didnt, are you assuming he broke the law or that Drs do?

The bold is utter nonsense, btw. The unborn can react to physical stimulus much earlier than that, even before they can experience pain. And brain stem neural reactions have nothing to do with 'sentience.' Do you know what sentience is?

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Did he say that no injection was given? Yes or no? And if he didnt, are you assuming he broke the law or that Drs do?

The bold is utter nonsense, btw. The unborn can react to physical stimulus much earlier than that, even before they can experience pain. And brain stem neural reactions have nothing to do with 'sentience.' Do you know what sentience is?

I didnt say that he didnt. If a baby can kick on its own then it has Sentience.

 

[Lursa]

I didnt say that he didnt. If a baby can kick on its own then it has Sentience.

So you have no idea and are just emotionally stuck on the visuals rather than actual reality. Got it.

And you are still 100% wrong about the unborn's ability to react. But feel free to provide sources that show the movements of the unborn only occur when it is 'sentient.' The time frames for movements are pretty clear.

 

[vegas giants]

I didnt say that he didnt. If a baby can kick on its own then it has Sentience.

Oh god

 

[Crusader13]

Might as well outlaw interracial marriage and homosexuality while we're going backwards.

interracial marriage and homosexuality don't end human lives, but by all means keep spouting nonsense.

 

[minnie616]

It's already dead. It had an anesthetic, lethal injection first. That's the law.

Why would you prefer a more inhuman procedure that would cause more internal damage to the woman? Please explain?

Agreed. Dialation and extraction ( which involves dismemberment ) is one of the safest ( for the woman ) ways of removing the fetal material without harming the woman. As you said at 21 weeks and older the fetus is already dead before the extraction begins.

From the following article:

Of all the abortion bills that are moving their way through the state legislatures and courts right now, which is most upsetting to you?

All of them? Boy oh boy. There are quite a few that are damaging to people in different ways. The dilation and evacuation bans are very disturbing. Dilation and evacuation is the way you provide a second-semester abortion in the U.S. It is how doctors have been trained, it’s safe and efficient. So to make a person undergo a procedure in any other way, that hasn’t been tested and thoroughly vetted is frightening.

Read more :

George Tiller Died Defending Abortion Rights, Now His Life's Work Is Under Siege | HuffPost

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I dunno but I think ill listen to the doctor whos actually done it and was grossed out enough by yanking off baby legs and crushing babyskulls enough to quit his career. Plus if a baby can kick at 24 weeks old it has sentience.

Did you know that an anencephalic fetus can "kick at 24 weeks"?

Does that mean that it has sentience?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

interracial marriage and homosexuality don't end human lives, but by all means keep spouting nonsense.

Actually a whole lot of those who are ravingly supporting "The Right To Life (until after actually being born)" are pretty much opposed to "interracial marriage" and "homosexuality" as well. Some of them even toss in an opposition to "people not born here living here" and "people who don't believe in EXACTLY the same religion as I do" as well as "people who don't support the political party that I support (even though I don't know what it actually stands for)".

 

[minnie616]

I dunno but I think ill listen to the doctor whos actually done it and was grossed out enough by yanking off baby legs and crushing babyskulls enough to quit his career. Plus if a baby can kick at 24 weeks old it has sentience.

Did you know that an anencephalic fetus can "kick at 24 weeks"?

Does that mean that it has sentience?

Agreed.

from PubMed:

In eight anencephalic fetuses ultrasound observations of movement patterns were made and correlated with the morphological findings at postmortem. In all fetuses the movements were qualitatively abnormal: they were forceful, jerky in character and of large amplitude. In some of the most defective cases classification of the movements was hardly possible as they showed little similarity to those observed in normal fetuses. In these cases movements tended to occur in burst-pause patterns in contrast to being scattered over the record. Excessive activity occurred also only in the more defective cases. In fetuses with no evident cervical cord present isolated arm movements were observed. Fetal lung hypoplasia occurred as early as 16 weeks and in a fetus which showed both hiccups and breathing movements. It is concluded that with a severely defective fetal central nervous system, already in the first half of pregnancy movement patterns are abnormal. This abnormality mainly concerns the quality of the different movements. Secondly, movements can occur despite severe reduction in the amount and alteration in the organisation of the fetal central nervous system.

Abnormal motor behaviour in anencephalic fetuses. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Did you know that an anencephalic fetus can "kick at 24 weeks"?

Does that mean that it has sentience?

Fetus fights and kicks and rears as suction tube sucks out all the womb juice.



You are all brainwashed by doctors that want $$$$$.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Agreed.

from PubMed:



Abnormal motor behaviour in anencephalic fetuses. - PubMed - NCBI

Then why do we have video footage of a fetus' hearbeat shooting up to 200 beats per minute as it feebly fights for its life?

 

[minnie616]

Then why do we have video footage of a fetus' hearbeat shooting up to 200 beats per minute as it feebly fights for its life?

It is not fighting for its life. That film was debunked.

Experts say the video starts out being filmed in slow speed motion and then it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." .

 

[dirtpoorchris]

It is not fighting for its life. That film was debunked.

Experts say the video starts out being filmed in slow speed motion and then it is sped up when surgical instruments are introduced to give the impression that "the fetus is thrashing about in alarm." .

Ya ok. Even if that was true its heartbeat still doubled. All I gotta say is I hope hell is real so people felt what that baby felt x10,000. Its clearly in mortal distress and squirming every time the tube touches it.

 

[vegas giants]

Ya ok. Even if that was true its heartbeat still doubled. All I gotta say is I hope hell is real so people felt what that baby felt x10,000. Its clearly in mortal distress and squirming every time the tube touches it.

And then its dead.

Mission accomplished

 

[Lursa]

Fetus fights and kicks and rears as suction tube sucks out all the womb juice.



You are all brainwashed by doctors that want $$$$$.

That is a much later term fetus. He doesnt even say how late.

So you didnt make your point at all. Earth worms react to external physical stimuli...they dont have the capacity to think at all.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Agreed.

from PubMed:



Abnormal motor behaviour in anencephalic fetuses. - PubMed - NCBI

I stand corrected. However, all of the reactions that your article describes are also to be found in the fetuses of Gerbils and Cows.

Does that mean that Gerbils and Cows must have "The Right To Life" and we should stop "murdering" them?

How about fleas and mosquitoes?

There is some evidence that plants "experience sensations". Does that mean that we should stop "murdering" plants?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

That is a much later term fetus. He doesnt even say how late.

So you didnt make your point at all. Earth worms react to external physical stimuli...they dont have the capacity to think at all.

Now that he has clarified his position, "the ability to think" is NOT the criteria, it is "the ability to experience". That means that "The Right To Life" MUST, of necessity, extend to every living organism - right down to plants and planaria.