60 percent of Americans say Trump tax plan will benefit wealthy (POLL)

[Former GOP]

Oh sure; let the GOP 'fix' what Dumbass G W Bush handed off to Obama in 2009, the worst financial melt down since 1929

yeah; let the GOP 'fix' it .................. we all know how that typically ends ..............

Bush was no fiscal conservative. In many ways his fiscal policies were more liberal than those of Bill Clinton's. We had a nice zero budget deficit that was totally wiped out under Bush. He was one reason I switched from republican to independent.

 

[cuban smokes]

Lol !

Obama has 8 years to fix the mess that was handed to him.
Instead of focusing on the economy, he passed a disastrous healthcare law, which stripped more and more discretionary income from Middle class Americans and slammed small bussineses with higher cost for insuring their employees.

Obama did nothing to change the tax policies that led to corporations ans investors and banks sitting on Trillions in capital rather than investing it back into the economy

Like I said, too many Americans are economically illiterate and actually buy into the absurd talking points based on empty class warfare narratives.

You folks LOST....Lol !.....so GTFO out the way and let the adults clean up Obama's mess

Yes; enjoy the train wreck economy that Trump will offer US .............. just a matter of time ................... it will make the **** economy GW handed off to Obama look good

 

[Floridafan]

This is the one thing I dislike about the tax plan, it doesn't cut spending. Trump has tax reduction as his top priority in this matter, which is a good intention but government spending needs to be reduced along with it.

There is no justification for adding 1.5 trillion to our debt with the hope that it will possibly be offset by economic activity

 

[Hari Seldon]

But deficits DO matter when rats are in charge?

:lamo

Come on, man. You dont see how embarrassing that kind of rhetoric makes you look? You and the rest of the rat supporters cheered on the rats as the defict went from 7t to 20t under Obama....and NOW you want to pretend to give a **** about DEFICITS???

Where lese did we see this. Oh yeah...in the thread where rats and Hilary supporters were suddenly outraged over a server being wiped. :lamo

Classic.

For the record...deficits DO matter. Debt matters. And both parties blow. But for YOU to run around covered head to toe in **** after supporting the rat party blindly and then saying "Look what THOSE guys stepped in!"? Thats just ****ing hilarious.

And calling people rats doesn't make you look embarrassing? If Obama or ANY Democrat came up with the exact same plan that raised the debt like this one does the cons would throw a fit. You are the one that's hilarious. More trickle down economics from the repukes. I remember that line from Cool Hand Luke, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. Exactly what the cons are doing and always do when in charge.

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[jc456]

60 percent of Americans say Trump tax plan will benefit wealthy (POLL)

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Typical Americans are realizing that the Trump/GOP Tax Reform package actually does them no great favors and is not deficit-neutral (it substantially increases the national deficit).

Related: Trumps Tax Plan | ABC Poll PDF

so who are considered rich? people who earn money? funny stuff. it was all debunked. the narrative from the left. Ed Henry had the facts on Tucker Carlson last night. Can we please stop lying about tax plans to help the middle class? why don't you want more money back? sorry, I don't get it at all. explain.

from the washington post:

Democrats are lying about Republican tax plan, says Washington Post fact-checker

""In their haste to condemn the GOP tax plan, Democrats have spread far and wide the false claim that families making less than $86,100 on average will face a hefty tax hike," he wrote. "Actually, it’s the opposite."

"Most families in that income range would get a tax cut," he added. "Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error.""

 

[VanceMack]

And calling people rats doesn't make you look embarrassing? If Obama or ANY Democrat came up with the exact same plan that raised the debt like this one does the cons would throw a fit. You are the one that's hilarious. More trickle down economics from the repukes. I remember that line from Cool Hand Luke, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. Exactly what the cons are doing and always do when in charge.

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Why should calling rats rats make me feel embarrassed? You dont find the irony in making that statement while using the descriptor 'cons' or 'repukes' a bit hypocritical? :lamo

keep being you, baby.

 

[Floridafan]

Lol !

Obama has 8 years to fix the mess that was handed to him.
Instead of focusing on the economy, he passed a disastrous healthcare law, which stripped more and more discretionary income from Middle class Americans and slammed small bussineses with higher cost for insuring their employees.

Obama did nothing to change the tax policies that led to corporations ans investors and banks sitting on Trillions in capital rather than investing it back into the economy

Like I said, too many Americans are economically illiterate and actually buy into the absurd talking points based on empty class warfare narratives.

You folks LOST....Lol !.....so GTFO out the way and let the adults clean up Obama's mess

Come on handjo, The economy under Obama was great. Record profits, record sales and how many millions of new jobs?

 

[Deuce]

It doesn't matter what percentage think this benefits the rich because that's what it factually does. Why are we taking opinion polls of a fact?

"85% of Americans think peanut butter is made primarily from peanuts."

This bill is going after 401k benefits. The way the administration keeps waffling around that is proof. They're going after retirement benefits, student loan tax deductions, and health care tax deductions, so they can make corporate tax rate cuts and rate cuts for high earners "budget neutral." (which also requires them to invent a fantasy "economic growth" value to increase revenue)

 

[Nap]

So? What is the point of the tax cut? Taking money from the poor to give to the rich isn't morally right, productive to the economy, good policy or even American.

Lol, this is such a ridiculous statement. A tax cut isn't giving the "rich" money it is merely letting people keep the money they earn.

You talk about what is morally right but can you tell me why it is morally wrong for a group of people to steal money from a rich person, but it is somehow justified for that group to vote for the government to take it from them.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

So? What is the point of the tax cut?

Allowing people and businesses to keep more of what they earn, to the benefit of all in the economy and tax revenue.

“In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.” - JFK

Taking money from the poor to give to the rich isn't morally right, productive to the economy, good policy or even American.

Who is taking money from the poor? Ceasing to take from the rich to redistribute to the poor is not taking anything. You've got the kart before the horse sir.

 

[Lutherf]

So? What is the point of the tax cut? Taking money from the poor to give to the rich isn't morally right, productive to the economy, good policy or even American.

"Taking money from the poor"? How, exactly, does one go about that? By definition, the poor don't have money to take.

 

[jc456]

So? What is the point of the tax cut? Taking money from the poor to give to the rich isn't morally right, productive to the economy, good policy or even American.

how much money do the poor pay into income tax exactly? do they even pay into income tax? do you even know?

 

[Lutherf]

how much money do the poor pay into income tax exactly? do they even pay into income tax? do you even know?

That kind of hack garbage runs rampant in this type of thread. Hell, Politico has a piece out today discussing a 6% surcharge on taxable income over $1M just to punish the wealthy for having ANY income taxed at 12%. - https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/11/02/the-gops-hidden-46-tax-bracket-000570

This is a common problem with our more partisan liberal posters. Their entire agenda is to perpetuate the falsehood that Republicans serve no other purpose than to abuse woman, people of color, the poor, immigrants, etc. To them it wouldn't matter if Republicans handed every "poor" person in America a check for $1M every year. They would still complain that the only reason it's being done is to buy votes and, besides, it isn't enough to make up for all the past harm Republicans have done to the poor. You can't satisfy them.

 

[Fenton]

Come on handjo, The economy under Obama was great. Record profits, record sales and how many millions of new jobs?

The Dems have lost over 900 state legilsator seats, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority, the WH and 5 special elections since 2010 because the economy was " great " ? Lol !

 

[Floridafan]

Yes, the economy was great. Now what has trump managed to do?

 

[Fenton]

The Dems have lost over 900 state legilsator seats, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority, the WH and 5 special elections since 2010 because the economy was " great " ? Lol !

Yes, the economy was great. Now what has trump managed to do?

No, it wasnt at all...Lol !

You people are neck deep in your own delusions , and you wonder why your party has had its ass handed to it over the last 7 years ?

 

[Floridafan]

No, it wasnt at all...Lol !

You people are neck deep in your own delusions , and you wonder why your party has had its ass handed to it over the last 7 years ?

Yes, handjo we didn't have record sales and profits, the stock market didn't rise by 12,000 points, home prices didn't recover from the Bush housing bubble, 12 million + jobs weren't created.

 

[Nickyjo]

Look, this is the way it works with spending and deficits. The GOP tends to represent people who are well off. The dems tend to represent people who are less well off. Both parties would be happy if things got better for everyone. Naturally.

The GOP feels the solution is to make sure those on top get more, so as to simulate the economy in a trickle down/rising tide lifts all boats manner. Supply side. If they are right, great. If they are wrong, at least their people are better off.

The dems feel the solution is to make sure those below get more, so as to stimulate the economy from below through their increased spending. Demand side. If they are right, great. If they are wrong, at least their people are better off.

Democrats are the party of tax and spend. Republicans are the party of spend but don't tax. If their scheme doesn't work, we have deficits and have to reduce spending. How? Less defense spending? Get serious. Lordy, Lordy, it pains us, but we have to look at entitlements, which they didn't like at the beginning. Rather than eliminate them, let's figure out a way to, say let Social Security benefit finance or Medicare benefit insurance companies. Probably politically impossible, their think tanks still push the dream.

Strangely, the fiscally profligate liberals with all their handouts to the poor (what handouts?) seem to have been better recently at reducing the deficit. Note the deficit reduction in the Obama years and Clinton's balanced budget, for example. On the other hand, I am told that W was the first president in history to go to war while cutting taxes. If I am not mistaken, he resolved some of the bad financial optics by fighting the war off the books.

Name your poison. History since 1980 suggests that supply side doesn't work. But the GOP keeps on like Wyle E. Coyote, with their new and improved Acme Tax Plan. Beep beep.

 

[Fenton]

Yes, handjo we didn't have record sales and profits, the stock market didn't rise by 12,000 points, home prices didn't recover from the Bush housing bubble, 12 million + jobs weren't created.

We had a average 1.8 percent GDP growth throughout his entire Presidency and 10 Trillion in new debt and a economy that was so weak, it had to be propped up with 8 years of FED zero interest rate policies.

What was the FED discount rate through Obama's entire two terms ? Because his naive and economically illiterate supporters may have been impressed but the FED wasnt and niether were the majority of voters.

Its why your party got routed again and again, and why every Democrat stump speech devolved into identity politics and avoided policy issues like the plague

Your politicians couldnt run on the economy, on healhcare, or on foreign policy and they still got their asses handed to them

 

[Floridafan]

We had a average 1.8 percent GDP growth throughout his entire Presidency and 10 Trillion in new debt and a economy that was so weak, it had to be propped up with 8 years of FED zero interest rate policies.

What was the FED discount rate through Obama's entire two terms ? Because his naive and economically illiterate supporters may have been impressed but the FED wasnt and niether were the majority of voters.


Its why your party got routed again and again, and why every Democrat stump speech devolved into identity politics and avoided policy issues like the plague

Liars like you quote averages. You must be so proud of the total corruption we are witnessing.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The crazy part is Trumpers believe that the Trump slash GOP tax reform will prime the US economic engine to crank out *sustained* annual economic growth in the 5-6% range for a decade, thus paying for our $1.5+ trillion revenue shortfall.

No independent economist believes this GOP fairy tale. Immigration would have to increase substantially (the current US birth rate is the lowest it has ever been and is below replacement level). College degrees would have to double, especially in the STEM disciplines. Wages would have to increase across the spectrum. Economic growth in the EU/BRICS would have to stagnate. US companies would have to utilize their tax cuts to expand and hire new workers (rather than what they are going to do -- buy back company stock shares, pay down their corporate debt, provide generous raises and bonuses to the corporate brass, generate takeover bid offers, etc). Unemployment is at 4.3% and 10,000 more US workers will retire every day for the next 19 years. There will not be enough new employees in the US to accommodate sustained 5-6% annual economic growth for the next decade. Peeps ... do the napkin math.

Lol. And a surprising number of you dopes wholeheartedly believe the snake-oil that the Trump/GOP (We Need A Win/Damn The Consequences) is selling you. I pity Americans in their 20's and younger.

 

[Fenton]

Liars like you quote averages. You must be so proud of the total corruption we are witnessing.

Lol ! Whats wrong ? Did I go over your head in that last post ?
So you cant respond intelligently and all you have left is ad homs...

Typical Leftist. I would encourage you to stop making a fool out of yourself, and go post your partisan hackety in a thread that best suites you, but you'll ignore it

 

[Fenton]

The crazy part is Trumpers believe that the Trump slash GOP tax reform will prime the US economic engine to crank out *sustained* annual economic growth in the 5-6% range for a decade, thus paying for our $1.5+ trillion revenue shortfall.

No independent economist believes this GOP fairy tale. Immigration would have to increase substantially (the current US birth rate is the lowest it has ever been and is below replacement level). College degrees would have to double, especially in the STEM disciplines. Wages would have to increase across the spectrum. Economic growth in the EU/BRICS would have to stagnate. US companies would have to utilize their tax cuts to expand and hire new workers (rather than what they are going to do -- buy back company stock shares, pay down their corporate debt, provide generous raises and bonuses to the corporate brass, generate takeover bid offers, etc). Unemployment is at 4.3% and 10,000 more US workers will retire every day for the next 19 years. There will not be enough new employees in the US to accommodate sustained 5-6% annual economic growth for the next decade. Peeps ... do the napkin math.

Lol. And a surprising number of you dopes wholeheartedly believe the snake-oil that the Trump/GOP (We Need A Win/Damn The Consequences) is selling you. I pity Americans in their 20's and younger.

You people actually believed stimulus and Obama's green energy scam would lead to sustained growth and you believed ObamaCare would lead to '' affordabe healthcare ".

Your'e in no position to call anyone a " dope "

 

[Mach]

This new tax proposal looks like a last ditch attempt at getting *something* passed by Republican executive, house, and senate, since they have been unable to do anything significant since in power. They talked **** for years under Obama, and when rhetoric finally resulted in them in power...crickets. They had no clue what to do how to do it, or even it appeared who to get support from. (aside from Trump-reality-TV of course).

So after so many failed attempts to pass stupid legislation, here comes this newest tax proposal. A watered down proposal that basically has the bare minimum they hope, to get it passed, and to be able to say they did *something*. I mean, this is in a way the culmination of the Republican party for some 8 years... a silly proposal that changes next to nothing, other than making the ultra-rich, wealthier/a little happier. Wow.

It basically comes down to a large corporate tax break (ultra rich), repeal of estate tax (ultra-rich), and some shifting around of deductions and brackets that has a small impact overall. Not even a big boon to the majority of businesses/small businesses...just the fat cats primarily. How dumb. As if the wealthy elites are not already advantaged by their political clout, their money, their connections, their market control. We need to give them *even more* advantage to out-compete small business, start-ups, etc....what a joke.

How can even die-hard Republicans be excited about it? It's like it's been negotiated down to the bare minimum they hope, to say they did something.

 

[Chomsky]

60 percent of Americans say Trump tax plan will benefit wealthy (POLL)

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Typical Americans are realizing that the Trump/GOP Tax Reform package actually does them no great favors and is not deficit-neutral (it substantially increases the national deficit).

Related: Trumps Tax Plan | ABC Poll PDF

That means 40% aren't paying attention!