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2019 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament

Duke got away with hook-and-hold flagrant foul before go-ahead basket


Duke got away with hook-and-hold flagrant foul before go-ahead basket



1 day ago - Keep an eye on Duke's Javin DeLaurier (No. 12). While boxing out UCF's Collin Smith, DeLaurier got away with a hook-and-hold flagrant.

Duke hatred is an interesting thing. Last game, UCF's 73rd and 74th points were utterly unfair, since they came out of a rebound after an air ball that violated the shot clock. The game only got tight until the end because of those two extra (and irregular) UCF points. It went to review, and the refs said there was no sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. My ass! The video evidence couldn't be any clearer, that the ball never hit the rim therefore Duke should have had the ball, due to UCF's shot clock violation.

So, people loooooooove to highlight the refereeing errors that favored Duke, but that very deliberate decision of "not enough video evidence" that was 100% bogus, could have given the win to UCF.

So, if the refs were so interested in favoring Duke, they would never have failed to see what everybody else could see clearly from the high camera on top of the rim, that the UCF ball never hit the rim.
 
Duke hatred is an interesting thing. Last game, UCF's 73rd and 74th points were utterly unfair, since they came out of a rebound after an air ball that violated the shot clock. The game only got tight until the end because of those two extra (and irregular) UCF points. It went to review, and the refs said there was no sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. My ass! The video evidence couldn't be any clearer, that the ball never hit the rim therefore Duke should have had the ball, due to UCF's shot clock violation.

So, people loooooooove to highlight the refereeing errors that favored Duke, but that very deliberate decision of "not enough video evidence" that was 100% bogus, could have given the win to UCF.

So, if the refs were so interested in favoring Duke, they would never have failed to see what everybody else could see clearly from the high camera on top of the rim, that the UCF ball never hit the rim.

You might want to book an optometry appointment. Clearly missed by how far? Stop the posted video at the 2 second mark and measure the clearance for us.

 
You might want to give Red Akston a "shout out" for Purdue's epic overtime win!

So long Tennessee!

The Elite 8 welcomes the Boilermakers!
 
You might want to book an optometry appointment. Clearly missed by how far? Stop the posted video at the 2 second mark and measure the clearance for us.



No need for an optometry appt. Keep looking. Don't stop at the 2 second mark. Look at the subsequent footage. The view from the court is ambiguous, but the view from the top CLEARLY shows that the ball didn't hit the rim. And if you look from the court, you can also see that the ball didn't change trajectory and didn't spin at all, at the moment when this optic illusion made it ambiguous.

Both views support that the ball didn't hit the rim, but the one from the top CLEARLY establishes it with no possible doubt.

What's the point of video review? Finding the camera angle that clarifies the issue. The view from the top did. The refs chose to ignore it. So, they weren't pro-Duke.

Anyway, Duke still won, despite the refs' blunder (or bias, who knows).

I just don't want people to keep saying that refs' decisions always favor Duke. In this case, it clearly didn't.

Hatred for Duke is just a function of the fact that we win a lot.

It's the same problem that hits the New England Patriots (I'm no fan of the Pats, but the phenomenon is similar).
 
No need for an optometry appt. Keep looking. Don't stop at the 2 second mark. Look at the subsequent footage. The view from the court is ambiguous, but the view from the top CLEARLY shows that the ball didn't hit the rim. And if you look from the court, you can also see that the ball didn't change trajectory and didn't spin at all, at the moment when this optic illusion made it ambiguous.

Both views support that the ball didn't hit the rim, but the one from the top CLEARLY establishes it with no possible doubt.

What's the point of video review? Finding the camera angle that clarifies the issue. The view from the top did. The refs chose to ignore it. So, they weren't pro-Duke.

Anyway, Duke still won, despite the refs' blunder (or bias, who knows).

I just don't want people to keep saying that refs' decisions always favor Duke. In this case, it clearly didn't.

Hatred for Duke is just a function of the fact that we win a lot.

It's the same problem that hits the New England Patriots (I'm no fan of the Pats, but the phenomenon is similar).

I don't hate Duke. I looked at the video over and over. Your answer changed from "it clearly didn't touch" to "it clearly didn't touch because of no obvious change in trajectory or spin." Your apparent love of Duke has you seeing things I don't see. Your declaration smacks of pro-Duke bias. You even went so far as to declare the refs of having anti-Duke sentiment.

Bottom line, Duke advanced to the Sweet 16. UCF went home.
 
I don't hate Duke. I looked at the video over and over. Your answer changed from "it clearly didn't touch" to "it clearly didn't touch because of no obvious change in trajectory or spin." Your apparent love of Duke has you seeing things I don't see. Your declaration smacks of pro-Duke bias. You even went so far as to declare the refs of having anti-Duke sentiment.

Bottom line, Duke advanced to the Sweet 16. UCF went home.
No, you misunderstood what I said. Maybe I didn't phrase it very clearly. Please allow me to explain again.

From the bottom angle (2-second mark), it *seems* ambiguous but you can still see that there was no trajectory or spin change, which would have happened if the ball had touched. That's why I said even this more ambiguous camera angle *still* supports that the ball didn't touch the rim.

From the top angle (10-to-12-second mark), it is *clear* that the ball did not touch. Don't you see the chunk of white court floor that you can see between the ball and the rim??? No need to look at trajectory or spin, here. You can see that the ball is a good inch from the rim, at least.

Duke advanced to the Sweet 16 because we still won the game, *despite* the refs' blunder.

Yes, I love Duke. Yes, I'm a Duke fan. So what? Had the ball touched, I'd have said so. It simply didn't, and the 10-to-12-second mark makes it crystal clear.
If the refs had any pro-Duke bias, like people keep saying they do, it would be easy for them to say "the top view is indisputable video evidence, the call is reversed, the basket doesn't count, and it is Duke's ball."

The fact that they went with the "no indisputable video evidence" (although it doesn't get any more indisputable than this angle from the top) shows that they are NOT pro-Duke.

It's funny how people only complain of the dubious calls that go for Duke. They always conveniently forget all the dubious calls that go against Duke.

Every game, the same thing happens. Refs are fallible given that they are human beings, so sometimes there are some wrong calls or no-calls that favor Duke. All hell breaks lose and all the haters hate, saying "see, it's a conspiracy, the NCAA wants Duke in the Final Four." But those same games, there are also wrong calls or no-calls that go against Duke. Funny how the haters never mention those.

Particularly in this game, this fail to reverse the call as they should have done given the indisputable evidence, made at that point of the game, very probable that UCF would win. It's a miracle that we still could pull off the comeback. It wasn't thanks to the refs that we won. It was actually against the refs.

Despite that, I've seen comments that Duke plays with 5 men + the refs. That's outrageous. If the refs were pro-Duke they wouldn't have made this decision that all but eliminated Duke - lucky for us, we were still good enough to comeback and win, against all odds.
 
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No, you misunderstood what I said.
From the bottom angle (2-second mark), it *seems* ambiguous but you can still see that there was no trajectory or spin change, which would have happened if the ball had touched.
From the top angle (10-to-12-second mark), it is *clear* that the ball did not touch. Don't you see the chunk of white court floor that you can see between the ball and the rim???
Duke advanced to the Sweet 16 because we still won the game, *despite* the refs' blunder.
Yes, I love Duke. Yes, I'm a Duke fan. So what? Had the ball touched, I'd have said so. It simply didn't, and the 10-to-12-second mark makes it crystal clear.

The refs did not blunder. I didn't misunderstand. I recognize intransigence.

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I don't hate Duke. I looked at the video over and over. Your answer changed from "it clearly didn't touch" to "it clearly didn't touch because of no obvious change in trajectory or spin." Your apparent love of Duke has you seeing things I don't see. Your declaration smacks of pro-Duke bias. You even went so far as to declare the refs of having anti-Duke sentiment.

Bottom line, Duke advanced to the Sweet 16. UCF went home.

By the way, I'm not saying that you hate Duke. I'm talking in general, about other haters. People went online in regards to this very game, saying that the refs wanted Duke to win. Preposterous! If they did, they wouldn't have left this call stand. it's as simple as that, because that call almost decided the game in favor of UCF.
 
The refs did not blunder. I didn't misunderstand. I recognize intransigence.

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I frankly find it quite incredible that you seem to be unable to see the big chunk of white court floor that can be seen between the ball and the rim at the 10-12 seconds mark. Seriously? You actually don't see it???

Your drawing above, instead of being my missing the point, might depict the trajectory of the ball, the red dot being the rim, LOL.

Yep, not only the ball didn't hit the rim, but it was by a good distance.

In any case, I enhanced the post you replied to, to clarify some more my main point.

EVEN if we were to consider the video evidence ambiguous (it is not) the refs could STILL use the top angle if they WANTED to grant the victory to Duke like some people pretend. They didn't, and almost granted the victory to UCF, instead, which is the point I'm demonstrating, that the refs were NOT pro-Duke.
 
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Wow, Virginia got some heat, too, against a #12. Their victory, though, brings down the last potential Cinderella. Now, only seeds #5 and higher remain.

Here is to hope that Auburn beats UNC tomorrow (and Duke beats VT).
 
Darn, all 3 of my brackets have two of my final four teams out already. Here goes in smoke any hope of winning the office poll.

In one bracket I had Kansas St and Michigan reaching the Final 4.
In two others, Tennessee and Michigan.

The other Final 4 teams I got, are still alive:

In one bracket, Duke and UNC
In another one, Duke and Kentucky
In another one, Duke and Auburn
 
Duke hatred is an interesting thing. Last game, UCF's 73rd and 74th points were utterly unfair, since they came out of a rebound after an air ball that violated the shot clock. The game only got tight until the end because of those two extra (and irregular) UCF points. It went to review, and the refs said there was no sufficient video evidence to overturn the call. My ass! The video evidence couldn't be any clearer, that the ball never hit the rim therefore Duke should have had the ball, due to UCF's shot clock violation.

So, people loooooooove to highlight the refereeing errors that favored Duke, but that very deliberate decision of "not enough video evidence" that was 100% bogus, could have given the win to UCF.

So, if the refs were so interested in favoring Duke, they would never have failed to see what everybody else could see clearly from the high camera on top of the rim, that the UCF ball never hit the rim.

"Everybody else" did not see it that way. I did not.
 
Wow, Virginia got some heat, too, against a #12. Their victory, though, brings down the last potential Cinderella. Now, only seeds #5 and higher remain.

Here is to hope that Auburn beats UNC tomorrow (and Duke beats VT).

UVA-Oregon was a real rock fight.
UCF provided a blueprint to beat Duke: make them try to win with 3's.
 
"Everybody else" did not see it that way. I did not.

From the top angle (10-to-12-second mark), it is *clear* that the ball did not touch. Don't you see the chunk of white court floor that you can see between the ball and the rim??? No need to look at trajectory or spin, here. You can see that the ball is a good inch from the rim, at least
.

Jack, maybe you need your eyes examined! According to GN2night, a rapid Duke fan (rooting against NC today) the ball missed the rim by "a good inch..".

Case closed... right? All grins! I Love March Madness!
 
No, you misunderstood what I said. Maybe I didn't phrase it very clearly. Please allow me to explain again.

From the bottom angle (2-second mark), it *seems* ambiguous but you can still see that there was no trajectory or spin change, which would have happened if the ball had touched. That's why I said even this more ambiguous camera angle *still* supports that the ball didn't touch the rim.

From the top angle (10-to-12-second mark), it is *clear* that the ball did not touch. Don't you see the chunk of white court floor that you can see between the ball and the rim??? No need to look at trajectory or spin, here. You can see that the ball is a good inch from the rim, at least.

Duke advanced to the Sweet 16 because we still won the game, *despite* the refs' blunder.

Yes, I love Duke. Yes, I'm a Duke fan. So what? Had the ball touched, I'd have said so. It simply didn't, and the 10-to-12-second mark makes it crystal clear.
If the refs had any pro-Duke bias, like people keep saying they do, it would be easy for them to say "the top view is indisputable video evidence, the call is reversed, the basket doesn't count, and it is Duke's ball."

The fact that they went with the "no indisputable video evidence" (although it doesn't get any more indisputable than this angle from the top) shows that they are NOT pro-Duke.

It's funny how people only complain of the dubious calls that go for Duke. They always conveniently forget all the dubious calls that go against Duke.

Every game, the same thing happens. Refs are fallible given that they are human beings, so sometimes there are some wrong calls or no-calls that favor Duke. All hell breaks lose and all the haters hate, saying "see, it's a conspiracy, the NCAA wants Duke in the Final Four." But those same games, there are also wrong calls or no-calls that go against Duke. Funny how the haters never mention those.

Particularly in this game, this fail to reverse the call as they should have done given the indisputable evidence, made at that point of the game, very probable that UCF would win. It's a miracle that we still could pull off the comeback. It wasn't thanks to the refs that we won. It was actually against the refs.

Despite that, I've seen comments that Duke plays with 5 men + the refs. That's outrageous. If the refs were pro-Duke they wouldn't have made this decision that all but eliminated Duke - lucky for us, we were still good enough to comeback and win, against all odds.

This is a big "ball" (lol) of wrong, dude.
 
What will it take for a power conference team to lure Few away from the Zags?

Few isn't going anywhere. For goodness sakes. Some people act like this guy is coach K.

He dominates in the West Coast Conference. Does ANYONE really think if he is coaching Louisville or NC State that he is going to have a .900+ winning percentage in that conference?

Few isn't an elite coach either:

The number of final 4 appearances:

Mark Few: 1
Coach K: 12
Coach Cal: 6
Roy Williams: 9

Few leaving Gonzaga would expose him as a B coach.
 
UVA-Oregon was a real rock fight.
UCF provided a blueprint to beat Duke: make them try to win with 3's.
It's funny how they "provided the blueprint to beat Duke"... but didn't beat Duke.
The matchup was the hardest for us, with that Tacko Fall with his 7ft6 height.
Other teams don't have Tacko Fall.
I remain confident.
Go Duke!
 
LSU completely overwhelmed.
Auburn-Carolina, on the other hand, has been a great game, so far.
Go Auburn!
(I root for two NCAA teams: Duke, and whoever plays against Carolina)
 
Great game so far, Auburn ends the first half ahead of the annoying Tar Heels, 41-39. I always thought that Auburn would be a hard matchup for Carolina.
Let's hope they confirm it in second half and beat the obnoxious Tar Heels.
Go Auburn!
Go Duke!
 
5 straight sweet sixteens! Three of the last 5 elite 8s! Never got within a single possession but I was so nervous that whole game.

That Dook/Zags game is going to be off the hook.
 
LSU, total collapse, not once they were able to threaten Michigan State.
UNC in deep trouble.
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Darn, the Tar Heels are lucky!
They were being totally dominated by Auburn, then one of Auburn's best players gets badly injured and leaves the game!
 
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LSU, total collapse, not once they were able to threaten Michigan State.
UNC in deep trouble.
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Darn, the Tar Heels are lucky!
They were being totally dominated by Auburn, then one of Auburn's best players gets badly injured and leaves the game!

They were already down by 16 and the game was already over.

To bad for Auburn, they ain't winning anymore in the tourney without the kid. With them, they look like they would.
 
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