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USA was most prepared nation for a Pandemic

Bodhisattva said:
Being the most prepared does not make it good... it just means that the rest of the countries are less prepared. Understand?
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Clearly, the standards which we judge to indicate pandemic preparedness need to be re-examined. Because what we're finding that even though the US was ostensibly the "most prepared" according to a few newspapers, we are having it the worse time of COVID-19 out of all of the other countries.
 
Huey Freeman said:
This is why posting here is so depressing. You squash one conspiracy theory and six more roaches skitter across the floor clattering about another one. First, ask yourself: if the US was the most prepared country, why the US is having the worst time of it, of all the countries in the world? Particularly given we were the best prepared. Don't run from the question, answer it.
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Don't run from it? You ask some hard hitting question sir! :lol:

The USA is not even close to having the worst time of it... I have already shown statistics that even New Zealand, per capita, is doing worse and Italy and Spain are doing FAR WORSE.... then Germany, France and others are doing comparatively bad as well. Stats... read up on what is actually going on in the world.

Second, while I believe Trump is both incompetent and racist, the lack of preparation can't be laid entirely on Trump's feet; however, Trump's inaction, dithering and false and unhelpful statements followed by lies and excuses, however, have made things much worse than it needed to be. Finally, let's not get into cite wars because, as we know, you conservatives will always lose the cite wars battle. Like Maher or Colbert said: "reality has a well-known liberal bias" and you can't escape reality; indeed, reality tell us that Trump was warned many times and decided to gamble and ignore those warnings. The blood of thousands of Americans are on his hands (and that of his political handlers and associates).

Mar 6, Trump at CDC. "These scientists are doing a phenomenal job with something that came from out of nowhere a very short time ago." Mar 24, WH briefing, Trump, "This came out of nowhere. Nobody can imagine this even happened."

"On 31 December 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of cases of pneumonia unknown etiology (unknown cause) detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province of China."
https://www.who.int/docs/default-so...ation-reports/20200121-sitrep-1-2019-ncov.pdf

The previous administration trained 30 of Trump's staff including cabinet members with a viral pandemic response exercise in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building next to the White House on Jan. 13, 2017. The presentation slides are here:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000170-e50c-d588-ab77-ed5ff3310000

The military planned for a viral pandemic in 2017.
Military memo from 2017 warned of pandemic’s impact on combat readiness and risk of war

The Director of National Intelligence warned of a pandemic on Feb 13, 2018.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Testimonies/2018-ATA---Unclassified-SSCI.pdf
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Huey Freeman said:
Clearly, the standards which we judge to indicate pandemic preparedness need to be re-examined. Because what we're finding that even though the US was ostensibly the "most prepared" according to a few newspapers, we are having it the worse time of COVID-19 out of all of the other countries.
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:lamo
 
Huey Freeman said:
Clearly, the standards which we judge to indicate pandemic preparedness need to be re-examined. Because what we're finding that even though the US was ostensibly the "most prepared" according to a few newspapers, we are having it the worse time of COVID-19 out of all of the other countries.
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No. the USA is not having the worst time of it... statistically speaking, per-capita, there are several countries doing worse than the USA and a couple doing FAR WORSE. Then we get into size of the country, freedoms, federal vs. state powers, etc.
 
MTAtech said:
Aren’t you the OP?
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He is the OP despite his claims he isn't. Give 'em a break, when you post over 82,462 posts since 2007, averaging about 18 posts per day, every day for 365 days, for 13 years straight; one is, understandably, bound to get confused on whether he started a thread or not. Have patience with them and remember Luke 23:34.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Being the most prepared does not make it good... it just means that the rest of the countries are less prepared. Understand?
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Sure, but there are countries that have had far better responses to this outbreak, despite being less prepared. So it seems to me the Trump administration's response could have been better.
 
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Huey Freeman said:
He is the OP despite his claims he isn't. Give 'em a break, when you post over 82,462 posts since 2007, averaging about 18 posts per day, every day for 365 days, for 13 years straight; one is, understandably, bound to get confused on whether he started a thread or not. Have patience with them and remember Luke 23:34.
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Somebody who has memorized the Bible is not a person to be talking to others about wasting time with large numbers of posts/readings. :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Don't run from it? You ask some hard hitting question sir! :lol:

The USA is not even close to having the worst time of it... I have already shown statistics that even New Zealand, per capita, is doing worse and Italy and Spain are doing FAR WORSE.... then Germany, France and others are doing comparatively bad as well. Stats... read up on what is actually going on in the world.
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Yeah, per capita.:lamo

No one is buying your your data that you're twisting into a victory for President Trump. This country that ostensibly is supposed to be most well-prepared for a pandemic, has the highest cases in the world of COVID-19. The President was warned about a pandemic but neglected to act and, instead, dismantled the white house office that handles pandemics. Italy is doing worse than the United States in regards to mortality, but the morbidity of the disease remains higher in the United States. Over 6 million jobs lost in four ****ing weeks and you're saying we're doing better than the other countries? The problem is that even mentioning that we "were prepared" is insensitive to the people who have or will eventually contract the virus. It's a slap in the face to people who have died or will die from this virus. It's a bloody nose to the nurses, doctors, and health administrators that desperately need PPE and ventilators from the government. No one was prepared for this virus and most intelligent people will not blame President Trump for not being prepared. What I do blame him for his unhelpful statements, his lies, attacking Cuomo and other Governors, blaming Obama, blaming Pelosi, and other excuses made the situation worse than it had to be. Trumps's behavior was outrageous. And, frankly, any human with a soul should be outraged, too.
 
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Taylor said:
:lamo
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Name two countries that have a higher infections of COVID-19 than the United States? Oh, that's right :lamo. You can't because the United States has the highest infections of them all. And, that's probably under-reported because we do not have public healthcare system. If you are one of the nearly 7 million people who lost their job this MONTH and get sick, are you gonna pay $250/$500 for an urgent care/emergency room deductible? No, you're gonna sit your ass at home, spreading the disease to your loved ones, and not go to the doctor for treatment.
 
Huey Freeman said:
Name two countries that have a higher infections of COVID-19 than the United States? Oh, that's right :lamo. You can't because the United States has the highest infections of them all. And, that's probably under-reported because we do not have public healthcare system. If you are one of the nearly 7 million people who lost their job this MONTH and get sick, are you gonna pay $250/$500 for an urgent care/emergency room deductible? No, you're gonna sit your ass at home and not go to the doctor for treatment.
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Do you mean higher per capita or in absolute numbers?

EDIT: Disregard, I see that has been addressed.
 
Metric Mouse said:
The fact that this virus was a serious threat and the United States needed a massive, national level response was not a conspiracy theory.
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Yeah a massive national level response against the Chinese. Who he has always hated. Our intelligence people was warning the President beginning in January of the scale and intensity the Coronavirus outbreak in China and that the Chinese were downplaying the severity of it. He didn't listen to them either.
 
MTAtech said:
The OP is creating a title that is contrary to the article that he's linking.

The article's title is: None of these 195 countries — the U.S. included — is fully prepared for a pandemic, report says

It says this, The United States does well in five of six preparedness categories but ranks 19th — after Australia, Canada, Singapore and more than a half-dozen European countries — in an assessment of overall risk and vulnerability to biological threats. The factors driving down the U.S. score include the risks of social unrest and terrorism, and low public confidence in government. Liechtenstein ranked No. 1 on this measure.
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Thank you for pointing this out. It was behind a paywall so I could not read it. The OP's misinformation and spin-doctoring part and parcel of the modern conservative movement. I wish your post could be placed under the OPs on the first page.
 
Huey Freeman said:
Yeah, per capita.:lamo
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Yeah... that is statistically the only scientific way to do it. An education can really be a useful thing.

No one is buying your your data that you're twisting into a victory for President Trump.
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I did not talk about Trump... but you immediately turned this around to Trump CLEARLY showing who has an agenda between the two of us :lol:

you're saying we're doing better than the other countries?
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I never said anything remotely like that... stop posting lies... it is pathetic and only makes you look ****ing terrible.

The problem is that even mentioning that we "were prepared" is insensitive to the people who have or will eventually contract the virus. It's a slap in the face to people who have died or will die from this virus. It's a bloody nose to the nurses, doctors, and health administrators that desperately need PPE and ventilators from the government. No one was prepared for this virus and most intelligent people will not blame President Trump for not being prepared. What I do blame him for his unhelpful statements, his lies, attacking Cuomo and other Governors, blaming Obama, blaming Pelosi, and other excuses made the situation worse than it had to be. Trumps's behavior was outrageous. And, frankly, any human with a soul should be outraged, too.
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Yeah, you have serious anger issues... I get it.

See, I can think that Trump did not do a good job and appeared incompetent, like many other leaders, without breaking down and curling up into the fetal position like you are doing. I can be objective and realize that the point of my post was not to say that the USA (Trump in your eyes) was actually ready for a pandemic... but something quite different... but you won't get what that is as long as you seethe and pound your fists in Trump Rage.

Thank you for pointing this out. It was behind a paywall so I could not read it. The OP's misinformation and spin-doctoring part and parcel of the modern conservative movement. I wish your post could be placed under the OPs on the first page.
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Again, as long as you are unable to be objective you will not understand what the point of my post was...

And it has nothing to do with spin-doctoring, conservatives or any other conspiracy that I am sure you think is happening.


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Bodhisattva said:
This is a world wide pandemic and a world wide website... focusing on the USA only is not cool.
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Oh for Christ's sake. Just go to the website and you will why it is called Worldometer and not USometer. :roll: And you will also see that your statement that New Zealand is faring worse than the US per capita is just plain wrong.

USA Total cases per 1 million population - 726 Deaths per 1 million population - 18

New Zealand Total cases per 1 million population - 165 Deaths per 1 million population - 0.2
 
Bodhisattva said:
I never said anything about Trump;... that is your hate filled problem that is skewing you away from the facts.
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Yeah right. You're so far up Trump's rear end your nose is orange.
 
Trump held rallies on:
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Trump visits to Mar-a-Lago:

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Trump golfed on:
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Atomic Kid said:
Yeah right. You're so far up Trump's rear end your nose is orange.
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Uh-huh... and you want to lick Pelosi's earlobes...

Atomic Kid said:
Oh for Christ's sake. Just go to the website and you will why it is called Worldometer and not USometer. :roll: And you will also see that your statement that New Zealand is faring worse than the US per capita is just plain wrong.

USA Total cases per 1 million population - 726 Deaths per 1 million population - 18

New Zealand Total cases per 1 million population - 165 Deaths per 1 million population - 0.2
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There are other statistics than "Death"
 
Bodhisattva said:
The OP was from a different topic, I believe.
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That makes no sense. OP stands for “original poster.” Since your post is the first, you are the OP.

On the topic...
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MTAtech said:
That makes no sense. OP stands for “original poster.” Since your post is the first, you are the OP.
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:lol: Yes... obviously.
 
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