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[W:286] Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds?

Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

3leftsdoo said:
Evil Apprentice Hitler is LITERALLY eating Latin children alive - there's no time for anything but hysterical shrieking, sir.

Resist.

:donkeyfla
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lol....Funny....I get it....
 
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j-mac said:
"The administration wants roughly $4.5 billion in supplemental funding, including $3.3 billion for humanitarian aid. Top GOP senators are now warning that money for vital services along the border will run out in a matter of weeks unless Congress takes action.

Extra border assistance was on the brink of being included in the recent disaster aid package, but it got yanked after a stalemate on immigration threatened passage of the $19.1 billion recovery bill..."

Trump's border aid request stalls amid fresh obstacles | TheHill

So, now the question is, why is Nancy Pelosi, and Democrats denying these detained immigrants the essentials?
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:lol: “Nancy’s Fault”

Hey, maybe they should not have locked up the kids in the first place :roll:
 
Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

Phys251 said:
So let me get this straight: Refugees who commit the misdemeanor of crossing the border without proper documentation deserve to be treated with cruelty? Even if they are children?

What kind of moral standards do you have, Pipewrench? That these migrants broke a law is absolutely irrelevant to my point. Even murderers and pedophiles have the right not to be treated with cruelty behind bars, much less people who violate far lesser crimes such as crossing the border without proper documentation.



An excellent set of talking points for voting Democratic in 2020! :thumbs:
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Many Americans have no moral standard. Whatever moral compass they might have is spinning wildly. They cannot distinguish between right and wrong. It's a sad situation, demonstrating the wisdom and truth of St. Paul's letter to the Corinthians, the letter of the law brings death but the spirit of the law brings life.
 
Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

Atomic Kid said:
Glad you can acknowledge that it’s emotional, albeit not in a “wonderful” way. One would have to be an absolutely callous human being incapable of empathy or compassion not feel anything. You know. Like our President. The Democrats are not in complete control of Congress. The House can pass bills but McConnell blocks them from coming to a vote in the Senate.
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You're starting to sound like Republicans did back when...."We don't control all of congress so we are powerless", Then it was, "We don't have the Presidency, so we are powerless", Then it was, "We don't have large enough majorities, so we are powerless"....Pfft....I call BS on all of it.

And I know a few things that would do and not do. I would make sure that the emergency funding focuses on humanitarian relief and not building a useless wall. And I also wouldn’t be cutting foreign aid to Central America and make the problems that are driving migrants here even worse.
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Well, let's see...We give them billions over the years in aid, and they send their people....We cut off aid and they send their people....Sounds like we are suckers doesn't it?
 
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calamity said:
:lol: “Nancy’s Fault”

Hey, maybe they should not have locked up the kids in the first place :roll:
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Tell it to Barry....
 
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calamity said:
Hey, maybe they should not have locked up the kids in the first place :roll:
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LOL, you still having a hard time? I've never seen a group so determined to make sure children don't get soap and a toothbrush, or a proper diet, it's deflect deflect, justify, justify, deny, deny, just like they did when Trump publicly supported Neo Nazis, and the KKK, or when he bragged about sexually assaulting women.

Reminds me of a Weinberg quote:

With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
 
Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

j-mac said:
What the heck are you doing man?
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Links weren't working for me. Could be because I have the forums set to 50 posts per page.

Post #252 in a conversation with uptower. I said:

"I also would like to see these facilities provide at least the essentials"....

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...entitled-soap-and-beds-26.html#post1070235373

Then in post #254 to pmak I said:

"You're not going to get me to argue that the Government shouldn't be providing the essentials, while these people are housed on our soil..."

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...entitled-soap-and-beds-26.html#post1070235382

Now what are you trying to pull? If you don't believe me, then I really have no interest in discussing anything with you...
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I see them now that you provided the post numbers. Thanks.

Your position is slightly more justifiable than the people who are excusing everything that's going on in the tRump concentration camps, but less bad is not necessarily good. If we can't even treat children humanely, then who are we even as a nation?
 
Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

j-mac said:
You're starting to sound like Republicans did back when...."We don't control all of congress so we are powerless", Then it was, "We don't have the Presidency, so we are powerless", Then it was, "We don't have large enough majorities, so we are powerless"....Pfft....I call BS on all of it.



Well, let's see...We give them billions over the years in aid, and they send their people....We cut off aid and they send their people....Sounds like we are suckers doesn't it?
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Looks like much like Trump you need a quick simplistic tutorial in how a bill becomes a law.

 
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pamak said:
Nonsense comment since the argument by the government is not that the Congress does not approve funds.
And for the other nonsense comments above, the point of having a government is so that it will do things that we do not have to do, like detaining people.
If you think that you can justify the lack of beds and toothbrushes by arguing that it saves a couple of thousand dollars, you need to give us first the price you put on common decency. If you think it worths less than a toothbrush and a bed, you obviously do not value it much.
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The idiots and a-hoes in our Congress have passed laws that dictate the need for holding facilities of one type or another.

They also limit the amount of funds to support those facilities to levels that are not adequate to do the job that they have demanded be done.

Save your indignation for someone who cares.

These idiots and a-holes demand a costly process be conducted for which they refuse to allocate the cash to pay.

This indicates both that they are idiots and a-holes.
 
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americanwoman said:
:roll:

It's like asking pro-life people how many babies they've adopted.

How we treat people in our custody is a reflection of our country. Many people tell me they want this to be a Christian country, yet they will turn around and excuse this kind of treatment of children? What kind of Christian church are they attending??

These companies and agencies are getting paid hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to run those centers, even up to $775 per child per day and yet they are trying to withhold the most basic supplies. There should be outrage over where that money is going and us providing basic necessities.
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Link?
 
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prometeus said:
How many American kids have you adopted?
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None. What makes you ask?
 
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JasperL said:
First of all, it's not a "noble pursuit" to treat kids humanely. It's common decency, and what the U.S. prided itself on doing until Trump. Now some people cheer on behavior we'd condemn if done by other countries pre-Trump because they are assholes.

As to the amount, I don't know. You could do the research, or just ask someone else to do that work for you. If they can't afford blankets and soap and tootbrushes, then not enough, obviously. I have a feeling it's plenty and the reason are either, 1) some private contractor or prison company is deciding profits matter more than supplying the basics, or 2) the cruelty/hardship is the point, deliberate, and has nothing to do with money.
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As always, our Congress is making decisions based on anything except what the situation demands.

About 72 hours ago, the Congress FINALLY has done something about this, but the pathway they followed to reach the current accord is a twisted and broken one.

Even given this late response, though, they have passed laws demanding a particular course of action and then quibble about funding the measures demanded by the laws they pass.

Our Congress is people with idiots and a-holes. Most wear both labels.

Shutdown deal: Congress’s deal on immigration detention, explained - Vox
 
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Nickyjo said:
Our church has welcomed and sheltered some. You might want to get involved in your own community. Most majorly religions have groups that help out. You could also go to the border and volunteer.
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I live in Indiana and really have no interest in moving to Texas.

I am active in my community.

My Church has various outreach programs as well.
 
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Phys251 said:
Be careful how you phrase that. :shock:
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Excellent point!
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
It's said that some of these folks are leaving the fire for the frying pan.


What's up in Central America these days anyway?
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Pretty much the same as always. Corruption in government that results in the wealth of the treasuries being stolen by the government officials.

The USA is not free of corruption and the outLAYS of the Feds seems to be increasing while the outPUT of the Freds seems to be stagnant. Since Clinton left office, Federal outLAYS have doubled.

Still, the best thing that ever happened to me was being born here and now instead anywhere else any other time.
 
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code1211 said:
Link?
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Migrant kids''' '''tent cities''' cost more than detaining families: Report

https://www.thedailybeast.com/separ...-more-than-keeping-migrant-kids-with-families

Migrant Children: Inside The Homestead, Fla. Shelter Facility : NPR

The average daily cost to care for a child at an influx facility is about $775 a day, according to Evelyn Stauffer, press secretary at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. With nearly 1,600 children at Homestead, that puts the burn rate at over $1.2 million a day.
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CMPancake said:
Have we done something in the past 19 years more inhuman than ripping families apart and having children die in concentration camps? Please, do tell.
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I sure hope you're kidding. Have you heard of Shock and Awe?
 
Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

CMPancake said:
Sliding responsibility from the state to the individual is a real garbage argument bud. It's not even witty, it's a boring, go nowhere argument out of bad faith.
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We live in a Representative Republic, bud.

Until 5 days ago, the funding requested by Trump on May 1 was being held up as a political statement by the idiot a-holes representing us. If we are represented by idiot a-holes, we must be content to be recognized as idiot a-holes.

If we aren't a part of the solution, we are a part of the cause.

Senators approve bipartisan $4.6 billion emergency border deal, with restrictions - ABC News

Trump asks Congress for $4.5 billion more in emergency border money
 
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JustHanging said:
You seem to be confused.

We were talking about children being separated form their parents, and the people in charge having no idea which children were connected to which parents. You said this was Obama's fault.

Your links do not address any of that. Can you provide links that do, or were you just making stuff up?
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not confused at all. it is obama's mess.
he 100% owns all of this.

actually they do as obama did separated kids from their parents.
he held kids in these detention centers.

he didn't return them to their home countries when he should have.

he lost 5000 or so kids 1,500 of which ended up with human traffickers.

yes he owns this by all his promises of amnesty and if you come we will just let you in.
all of these caravans started with him. you never heard about them with past administrations.

him and his open border policy was a disaster and has lead us to where we are today.
when it is simple to just enforce our border control policy.
 
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americanwoman said:
Migrant kids''' '''tent cities''' cost more than detaining families: Report

Separation Costs Three Times More Than Keeping Migrant Kids With Families

Migrant Children: Inside The Homestead, Fla. Shelter Facility : NPR
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It's interesting that MSNBC uses NBC as the source on their $775 figure.

Following that link to the NBC story, the NBC story cites MSNBC as THEIR source.

What's wrong with this picture?

Add to those obvious shortcomings, the comparison figures are from 2014 for the "Family Detention" costs and the costs for the current children only facilities include the costs of upgrades to the physical plants like Air Conditioning.

Using only NBC and MSNBC for your information, as NBC and MSNBC do, guarantees delivery of propaganda.

That said, the border crisis is the product of the work committed and omitted by the a-holes and idiots in Washington.

It reflects the same caring and insight that years of experience with their efforts have taught us to expect.
 
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code1211 said:
It's interesting that MSNBC uses NBC as the source on their $775 figure.

Following that link to the NBC story, the NBC story cites MSNBC as THEIR source.

What's wrong with this picture?

Add to those obvious shortcomings, the comparison figures are from 2014 for the "Family Detention" costs and the costs for the current children only facilities include the costs of upgrades to the physical plants like Air Conditioning.

Using only NBC and MSNBC for your information, as NBC and MSNBC do, guarantees delivery of propaganda.

That said, the border crisis is the product of the work committed and omitted by the a-holes and idiots in Washington.

It reflects the same caring and insight that years of experience with their efforts have taught us to expect.

What is the option for child care for those who are the off spring or the accompanying children of those committing the crime of immigrating illegally? For anyone breaking the law?

Should all forms of incarceration for all forms of crimes include family detention arrangements for the off spring or accompanying children of the folks breaking the law?
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Did you intentionally miss the third link to NPR that quoted Evelyn Stauffer the press secretary at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services with those numbers?

Why exactly would all forms of crime include family detention arrangements? First, if both parents are caught we do have social services and foster homes to take care of any children if other family members can't. Second, it's a different situation at the border because obviously it's at the border and it's unique. No problem with trying to streamline the process instead of the current process of longer and longer hold times so the detention center operators get paid more.
 
j brown's body said:
...and toothbrushes. The government argues 'no.' Watching Ms. Fabian argue this today, I thought I would vomit. My God, what have we become?



Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds? - BBC News
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Of course they're entitled to that. Basic creature comforts.

I can't read through all 53 pages of posts in here but it shocks me that there actually ARE 53 pages of posts about this. I can't imagine anyone being ignorant enough to say they aren't entitled to it.
 
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j brown's body said:
We don't have to "take care of them". it is a policy decision to keep them locked up. We could hire more judges and lawyers to speed their cases through, but your president doesn't have much regard for such things. The cruelty is the point. And while the cruelty isn't proving to be very effective, certain Americans seem to find it gratifying.

That our government can't figure out that soap and toothbrushes are basic necessities in their concentration camps, it really needs to go. It is dehumanizing our population. The evidence is in posts we see here.
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We do have to take care of them, according to the law. And they should be locked up, since by law they cant be deported. I dont see any cruelty though, just typical govt operation. And its all moot, since they shouldnt be here in the first place. Stop the inflow, and both problems are solved.
 
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