[W:286] Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds?

[j brown's body]

...and toothbrushes. The government argues 'no.' Watching Ms. Fabian argue this today, I thought I would vomit. My God, what have we become?

In July 2017, US District Judge Dolly Gee found the Trump administration had breached the 1997 Flores agreement by not providing migrant children with appropriate food or hygienic supplies, housing them in cold facilities without beds. The agreement states that immigrant children cannot be held for more than 20 days and must be provided with food, water, emergency medical care and toilets. But Department of Justice lawyer Sarah Fabian argued on Tuesday that the federal government had not violated Flores.

Ms Fabian maintained in a Ninth Circuit court in San Francisco that the government had fulfilled the Flores agreement because it did not specifically list items such as soap or toothbrushes.

Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds? - BBC News

 

[Phys251]

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...and toothbrushes. The government argues 'no.' Watching Ms. Fabian argue this today, I thought I would vomit. My God, what have we become?



Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds? - BBC News

tRump and his administration are a basket of deplorables.

And just wait for it, the tRump apologists are going to do mental gymnastics to defend this. :thumbdown

 

[Slavister]

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“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses ...” and we'll keep them that way

 

[CMPancake]

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This is going to be remembered as the most disgusting thing America did in the 21st century and it's only been 19 years.

 

[Anthony60]

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...and toothbrushes. The government argues 'no.' Watching Ms. Fabian argue this today, I thought I would vomit. My God, what have we become?
Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds? - BBC News

So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

I know there won't be any coherent answer to this question.

 

[Nickyjo]

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So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

I know there won't be any coherent answer to this question.

Here’s the coherent answer: you treat them as you would wish US citizens who overstayed visas or in other ways were undocumented in another country. These are people claiming to be fleeing drug gangs and other oppression. I know what might reach you. You are billed as conservative. Just think of them as Cubans.

 

[CMPancake]

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Imagine being such a prick that you can't spare the thought of tax dollars going to basic hygiene for an immigrant child.

 

[Trump]

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no soap for you....:2wave:

 

[JasperL]

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So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

I know there won't be any coherent answer to this question.

I'd think beds/cots, blankets, soap, a toothbrush, wouldn't be too f'ing much to ask. It's not even one bomb for goodness sake. These are children, not murderers or rapists.

You can't even debate that kind of attitude. It's disgusting. I'd say more but you're not worth the mods imposing points or a ban with that bull****.

 

[Hamish Howl]

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This is going to be remembered as the most disgusting thing America did in the 21st century and it's only been 19 years.

Optimist.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

I know there won't be any coherent answer to this question.

It's almost like ICE would like a nice, convenient disease outbreak.

 

[Hamish Howl]

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I'd think beds/cots, blankets, soap, a toothbrush, wouldn't be too f'ing much to ask. It's not even one bomb for goodness sake. These are children, not murderers or rapists.

You can't even debate that kind of attitude. It's disgusting. I'd say more but you're not worth the mods imposing points or a ban with that bull****.

Makes you want to vomit.

 

[JustHanging]

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This is going to be remembered as the most disgusting thing America did in the 21st century and it's only been 19 years.

Trump might get another 4 years.

He'll be like..."Hold my beer!"

 

[JustHanging]

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So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

To be treated humanely. To be treated the way you would want your children treated if they were every in that situation.

It's not that hard Anthony. It's called empathy. Human beings are born with it.

Question: Are you a Fundamental or Evangelical Christian?

 

[pamak]

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If somebody believes that soap and toothbrush is not considered necessary, he simply reveals the standards of his culture. I assume there are some legal citizens who do not have a problem to live in filth and bathe only during the 4th of July and Christmas. It is perfectly understandable how such people will argue that illegal immigrants held in detention centers are not entitled to such "luxuries."

 

[Hamish Howl]

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To be treated humanely. To be treated the way you would want your children treated if they were every in that situation.

It's not that hard Anthony. It's called empathy. Human beings are born with it.

Question: Are you a Fundamental or Evangelical Christian?

Dude, the cruelty *is* the point. Right wingers get off on this stuff.

 

[JustHanging]

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Are US child migrant detainees entitled to soap and beds? - BBC News
US District Judge Dolly Gee found the Trump administration had breached the 1997 Flores agreement by not providing migrant children with appropriate food

Not even proper food. That is seriously ****ed up.

This is remniscient of what happened in other Concentration Camps. No wonder AOC felt the need to sound the alarm bells, she clearly loves her country.

 

[JustHanging]

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Dude, the cruelty *is* the point. Right wingers get off on this stuff.

When I read the comments in the threads about AOC and her comments on the Concentration Camps, it was amazing how virtually every Trump supporter was OK persecuting brown skinned people in Concentration Camps.

Their complaint, almost without fail, was that they were being called "Concentration Camps".

 

[Hamish Howl]

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When I read the comments in the threads about AOC and her comments on the Concentration Camps, it was amazing how virtually every Trump supporter was OK persecuting brown skinned people in Concentration Camps.

Their complaint, almost without fail, was that they were being called "Concentration Camps".

Perhaps they prefer the term "punishment porn".

 

[spud_meister]

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So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

I know there won't be any coherent answer to this question.

Appropriate care and conditions while the government is responsible for them. The government chooses to take them into custody, they government takes a duty of care, especially to children. You pay for that because the government represents you. How is that hard to understand?

 

[Chomsky]

Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

I know there won't be any coherent answer to this question.

If you want to keep them in your custody, you owe them three hots and a cot!

 

[Chomsky]

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Optimist.

:lamo

 

[uptower]

Re: Government argues that child migrant detainees are not entitled to soap and beds

So they enter the country illegally, with ample warning that they have to follow the process like other people do. And they come in anyway. So, what, exactly are they "entitled" to, out of my pocket? What do I owe them, exactly?

I know there won't be any coherent answer to this question.

Soap and beds

 

[3leftsdoo]

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The latest illiberal outrage porn has arrived, and in the usual plain brown wrapper it would seem.

I can certainly see where this is vastly worse than Obama's murder of hundreds of civilians - including numerous children - and his terror attacks on Libya and Syria, and unspeakably more horrendous than the genuinely Hitlerian terrorist war crimes visited upon Afghanistan and Iraq by Bush II which destroyed millions of lives.

And of course, these holding facilities are comparable to concentration camps as well...

...said no sane or rational person ever.

:donkeyfla

 

[code1211]

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tRump and his administration are a basket of deplorables.

And just wait for it, the tRump apologists are going to do mental gymnastics to defend this. :thumbdown

What has the Trump Administration done with all of the extra money appropriated by Congress to provide the needed supplies in the expanded facilities?

How much additional money has that amounted to this year?