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Trump says he'll have another meeting with Putin, again calls media 'enemy of the people'

prometeus said:
Clearly you have absolutely no clue. This is one of the most retarded comparisons ever.

WTF? really? Ever read a history book?

Wow, more ignorant idiocy. So now that the US is allied with Germany that makes Russia like Germany too.

Why not educate yourself first?
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Only uneducated people tell others to educate themselves without telling them why they are wrong.

It's obvious I have nothing to learn from you.
 
hanger4 said:
Trump didn't say the media is the enemy of people, he said fake news is, you even post what he said. :roll:
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LOL! Fake News? Gee I wonder who that might be? :lamo:lamo:lamo
 
Hedgology said:
Obviously, it's important to understand when transparency applies and when it doesn't.

Would you like the nuclear launch codes on the front page of the New York Times? If not, clearly (using this extreme example) should be able to guide you on the limits of transparency.
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Oh for Christ's sake. Stop being so ridiculous.
 
Hedgology said:
Only uneducated people tell others to educate themselves without telling them why they are wrong.
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No, only uneducated people compare the US to Russia,

It's obvious I have nothing to learn from you.
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No, what is obvious is that you post uneducated drivel and refuse to learn.
 
No reason for the fist meeting except that Putin owns him.
No agenda Trump could share, because you know, it's not his agenda.
Ignores all his own advisors, because you know how advises him.
Thinking it was an interesting idea to send a U.S. diplomat to RUssia to face Putin.
Secret meeting because no one else is needed...see above.

Oops, Trump had to walk it all back, sort of, and again, sort of, and kind of half-way...that may have pissed Putin off!
Better roll out the red carpet for Putin to meet with you again...and I think the reason is clear at this point.
 
Hedgology said:
I guess we don't need to worry about transparency in regards to the second meeting with Putin.

Fantastic. We are in agreement.
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Please do not delude yourself. Idiocy and mindless submission to Trump can only be agreed to by the degenerated that elected him.
 
Hedgology said:
Name one President or elected official in modern history that has never told a lie...

I'll show you a person who doesn't exist.
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I can name one President for you who does exist and has told over 2000 lies and counting.
 
Hedgology said:
Still a pretty strong premise that has yet to be refuted.
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Only to the low intellect and uneducated. Please do not delude yourself into thinking that just because you deny something, it ceases to exist.

I refuse to learn from individuals I have nothing to learn from.
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If you were capable of learning anything from anybody you would not have such stupid posts.
 
Hedgology said:
The U.S. and Russia both largely Christian nations; they're both very large in land mass; they were both founded in nearly the same way; they were both allies in the second world war.

Need I go on?
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You can carry on with your massive historical ignorance till you're blue in the face but it's still historical ignorance.

1. The United States was never an imperial empire. It was a colony, but it fought for and gained independence from a monarchy.
Russia never experienced being a colony and never fought for independence from a foreign monarchy, it WAS A monarchy.
They were NOT founded in remotely the same way, not in any era, not in any epoch, not in any culturally similar war nor in any economically similar way.

2. The United States never lived under a seventy year rule of communist dictatorship, one which by the way, never invested significantly in expansionist infrastructure for the well being of its own people. There are little to NO functional "interstate" highways in Russia on the level that we have here in the United States, primarily because travel between different parts of the country was and still is restricted via a system of what might be termed "internal passports".

3. The United States was specifically founded as a secular democracy, something the Russians have never done.
Under Communism, religion was specifically abolished by order of the government, whereas in the United States, it was simply kept separate from the machinery of government but otherwise encouraged to flourish with no restrictions.

4. Land mass is immaterial and irrelevant, except as it pertains to Russia, with seemingly endless stretches of inaccessible land and resources which are locked in by both geographical obstacles and weather issues. Russia lacks the infrastructure needed to exploit these resources adequately, whereas the United States engaged in over a century's worth of investment designed to encourage gainful expansion.

5. Our alliance with Russia in WW2 was every bit as much a boon to Russia as it was to us. Our lend lease program specifically made it possible, not to mention the fact that our own automotive corporations lent valuable technology to the USSR for use by their military.

6. Every aspect of American social mores is starkly different from Russia's, even to the point where the simple act of SMILING, something accepted as perfectly normal and expected over here, arouses suspicion in Russian society. The act of smiling at a Russian stranger typically leads that person to wonder if you are mentally ill, or up to something.

7. Perhaps the most surprising thing of all about Russian society is the fact that, almost immediately after the fall of Communism, women went back to being chattel, and treated as second class citizens, despite seventy years of indoctrination to the contrary.

8. With the exception of Trump's evangelical core, the United States is gradually becoming LESS religious, while Russia is becoming more so, even to the point where fundamentalist sects are occupying a progressively larger stake in Russian society.

9. Last but not least, despite our current and fractured flirtation with fascism, the United States has enjoyed 200 plus years of demonstrable free expression, something Russia has never experienced, not in the press, not in public gatherings, not in any sphere of society whatsoever.

Again, your historical ignorance of both Russia and the Soviet Union is massive, and you should be embarrassed.
I'm done pretending to be your tutor about that country. From here on out, you'll be talking to yourself.
 
Hedgology said:
I guess we don't need to worry about transparency in regards to the second meeting with Putin.

Fantastic. We are in agreement.
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Didn't I just tell you to stop being so ridiculous? And yet you persist.
 
The extent to which a certain group of conservatives on this forum have this much contempt for American democracy is a huge shock to me.
But given the attitudes of the Republican Party for the last forty years, it's not the least bit surprising.
But we appear to have turned a corner where that contempt is no longer hidden but out in the open.

That's the shocking part.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You can carry on with your massive historical ignorance till you're blue in the face but it's still historical ignorance.

1. The United States was never an imperial empire. It was a colony, but it fought for and gained independence from a monarchy.
Russia never experienced being a colony and never fought for independence from a foreign monarchy, it WAS A monarchy.
They were NOT founded in remotely the same way, not in any era, not in any epoch, not in any culturally similar war nor in any economically similar way.
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Still keeps it's imperial practice of nation building.

2. The United States never lived under a seventy year rule of communist dictatorship, one which by the way, never invested significantly in expansionist infrastructure for the well being of its own people. There are little to NO functional "interstate" highways in Russia on the level that we have here in the United States, primarily because travel between different parts of the country was and still is restricted via a system of what might be termed "internal passports".
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It did spend 70 years building up arms and technological war-fare, similar to the United States.

3. The United States was specifically founded as a secular democracy, something the Russians have never done.
Under Communism, religion was specifically abolished by order of the government, whereas in the United States, it was simply kept separate from the machinery of government but otherwise encouraged to flourish with no restrictions.
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And now it's largely a Christian nation, same as the United States.


4. Land mass is immaterial and irrelevant, except as it pertains to Russia, with seemingly endless stretches of inaccessible land and resources which are locked in by both geographical obstacles and weather issues. Russia lacks the infrastructure needed to exploit these resources adequately, whereas the United States engaged in over a century's worth of investment designed to encourage gainful expansion.
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It's not irrelevant to me.


5. Our alliance with Russia was every bit as much a boon to Russia as it was to us. Our lend lease program specifically made it possible, not to mention the fact that our own automotive corporations lent valuable technology to the USSR for use by their military.
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This is irrelevant to me; it doesn't describe how both nations are similar or different.

6. Every aspect of American social mores is starkly different from Russia's, even to the point where the simple act of SMILING, something accepted as perfectly normal and expected over here, arouses suspicion in Russian society. The act of smiling at a Russian stranger typically leads that person to wonder if you are mentally ill, or up to something.
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That's not the experience I got. Maybe nobody just found you attractive...

7. Perhaps the most surprising thing of all about Russian society is the fact that, almost immediately after the fall of Communism, women went back to being chattel, and treated as second class citizens, despite seventy years of indoctrination to the contrary.
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Yeah, and we still can't elect a female president...

8. With the exception of Trump's evangelical core, the United States is gradually becoming LESS religious, while Russia is becoming more so, even to the point where fundamentalist sects are occupying a progressively larger stake in Russian society.
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Both nations are still one of the largest post-industrial religious nations. Not sure the point you are making here...

9. Last but not least, despite our current and fractured flirtation with fascism, the United States has enjoyed 200 plus years of demonstrable free expression, something Russia has never experienced, not in the press, not in public gatherings, not in any sphere of society whatsoever.
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LOL, you got me there. I guess everybody gets one.

Again, your historical ignorance of both Russia and the Soviet Union is massive, and you should be embarrassed.
I'm done pretending to be your tutor about that country. From here on out, you'll be talking to yourself.
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There is a reason historians make less money on average. If you were my tutor, I'd most definitely wouldn't scored well on AP History.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Didn't I just tell you to stop being so ridiculous? And yet you persist.
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You said it in response to a ridiculous post, which we both agree is ridiculous. Since we both agree, I can only infer that you agree with my point.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You can carry on with your massive historical ignorance till you're blue in the face but it's still historical ignorance.

1. The United States was never an imperial empire. It was a colony, but it fought for and gained independence from a monarchy.
Russia never experienced being a colony and never fought for independence from a foreign monarchy, it WAS A monarchy.
They were NOT founded in remotely the same way, not in any era, not in any epoch, not in any culturally similar war nor in any economically similar way.

2. The United States never lived under a seventy year rule of communist dictatorship, one which by the way, never invested significantly in expansionist infrastructure for the well being of its own people. There are little to NO functional "interstate" highways in Russia on the level that we have here in the United States, primarily because travel between different parts of the country was and still is restricted via a system of what might be termed "internal passports".

3. The United States was specifically founded as a secular democracy, something the Russians have never done.
Under Communism, religion was specifically abolished by order of the government, whereas in the United States, it was simply kept separate from the machinery of government but otherwise encouraged to flourish with no restrictions.

4. Land mass is immaterial and irrelevant, except as it pertains to Russia, with seemingly endless stretches of inaccessible land and resources which are locked in by both geographical obstacles and weather issues. Russia lacks the infrastructure needed to exploit these resources adequately, whereas the United States engaged in over a century's worth of investment designed to encourage gainful expansion.

5. Our alliance with Russia in WW2 was every bit as much a boon to Russia as it was to us. Our lend lease program specifically made it possible, not to mention the fact that our own automotive corporations lent valuable technology to the USSR for use by their military.

6. Every aspect of American social mores is starkly different from Russia's, even to the point where the simple act of SMILING, something accepted as perfectly normal and expected over here, arouses suspicion in Russian society. The act of smiling at a Russian stranger typically leads that person to wonder if you are mentally ill, or up to something.

7. Perhaps the most surprising thing of all about Russian society is the fact that, almost immediately after the fall of Communism, women went back to being chattel, and treated as second class citizens, despite seventy years of indoctrination to the contrary.

8. With the exception of Trump's evangelical core, the United States is gradually becoming LESS religious, while Russia is becoming more so, even to the point where fundamentalist sects are occupying a progressively larger stake in Russian society.

9. Last but not least, despite our current and fractured flirtation with fascism, the United States has enjoyed 200 plus years of demonstrable free expression, something Russia has never experienced, not in the press, not in public gatherings, not in any sphere of society whatsoever.

Again, your historical ignorance of both Russia and the Soviet Union is massive, and you should be embarrassed.
I'm done pretending to be your tutor about that country. From here on out, you'll be talking to yourself.
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Mic drop. Excellent post.


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Saladin4 said:
Pretty obvious he has NOT been there , I was there for 2 weeks in May...Always interesting but hardly similar
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I was there in 1988 and again in 1992. Unfortunately both times we were there strictly as a cooperative project between American-Russian Television, (West Hollywood) Panorama Magazine and Ostankino Television.
It was an exchange program that also involved a certain amount of trade as well. Simply put, we were bringing equipment and supplies which were scarce and expensive, and getting programming material in return, as well as getting the opportunity to do our interviews for our stateside program.

Thus I did not get tons of face time with large segments of Soviet/Russian society but even so, the differences were notable anyway, just as they were in my five years working alongside Russian immigrants back in the United States.

Our first trip in 1988 was only for a week, the second trip was three weeks, one week of which was spent in a gosdacha (госдача) outside of Moscow in Rublevka.

It still amazes me that it's been thirty years.
 
Hedgology said:
Because Trump is President. If you can't stand him being your President, why don't to go to a place where he isn't your President, which is... virtually everywhere else.
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Millions live in Blue State America ....Where he is NOT our President...Believe it
 
hanger4 said:
Trump didn't say the media is the enemy of people, he said fake news is, you even post what he said. :roll:
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According to Trump, if it didn't originate from Breitbart, Sinclair, Fox News or InfoWars, it's ALL FAKE NEWS, which is interesting seeing as how those outlets engage in an almost puerile form of abject fealty to Mr. Trump. Thus, anything Donald Trump disagrees with is termed "FAKE NEWS", even if the accounts of a story are 100% factually accurate by either editorial or documentary means.

He might as well drop all pretense and use the more accurate term "Die Lügenpresse!"
 
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