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Fox News’ John Roberts Exits Off-Camera Briefing Early

Moon said:
Yes, I know what I wrote, but thanks for asking.

I do think they want the cameras on because they're a bunch of prima donnas.

Journalists don't need cameras on to do their jobs. Ask Woodward and Bernstein.
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They are also adept at selective editing to take things out of context and push personal agendas. Its interesting that people on the left are upset about the WH limiting this ability by denying them video footage, because I have heard people on this site argue that I exagerate the amount of impact the media has when they do this type of thing on tv. Its pretty clear that selective editing of clips has been used as a propaganda tool and I cant say I blame Trump for taking away their toy.

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ThoughtEx. said:
Humans pay more attention to news clips with video than they do the written word. Heck, most of his supporters aren't the best of readers. Also it's easier to change the context of written statements, to weasel out of what you meant. Without video of tone and inflection, you can make a statement mean 6 different things. The opposition in the press will report the statement as a negative thing, most times. But the press on his side, will take the same statement and spin it positively.

The American people, will have to go through these filtered versions instead of watching it themselves and forming their own opinion.

In other words, he's trying cloud up what he's doing so he can manipulate the messages more effectively. So when he does something totally screwed up, his supporters get a different spin on it and aren't exposed to the oppositions spin. That way clowns like American can argue all day long, "that isn't what he meant." And no one can produce a video showing the context of the statement, to counter. It's a way to put out propaganda to idiots that can't read good. Basically the majority of his base.
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Exactly my point. The press has abused it and now they are losing it

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trouble13 said:
Are you concerned at all with the prejuidiced reporting going on in the press?

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No, I am concerned that you have surmised that the reporting is prejudiced.

VanceMack said:
When you equate 'the press' with what we have now, you might be a part of the problem.
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First, "the Press", particularly in 21st century America is very broad and disparate. As such, making a general comment about them as having any particular characteristic is rather unintelligent as there is universal characteristic. I think that people that don't understand that AND don't understand the need for a vibrant press in a strong democracy are not only a part of the problem, they probably are the problem.

There is a large percentage of our population (a minority, but still too large a percentage for a healthy democracy) that are clueless as to what is happening in our country. Most of these people are far too quick to dispel hard evidence that is contrary to their delusions because they prefer to remain in those delusions.
 
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JamesBY said:
Trump deservedly gets the treatment from the press he deserves.

There is no false equivalency in the slightest. Trump has earned it all.
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And the media is getting the treatment they deserve in return. Trump is not obligated to assist them in their attempt to make him their punching bag.

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JamesBY said:
Anyone who is an enemy of the press is an enemy of the American people and their Republic.
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So what happens when the press becomes an enemy of the people? Plenty of history regarding that result. Should people just bow down and accept whatever the press choses to do?

Anyone who supports that fealty is an enemy of the people, and Republic they represent.
 
JamesBY said:
You stepped in it yet again. Show me where I said the left is not part of the problem? You can't.
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Show me where you said anything but "The right" is the problem.
 
hanger4 said:
No he didn't, Trump said "A few days ago I called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are — they are the enemy of the people,"

Fake news is the enemy of the people, hell-of-a difference.
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JamesBY said:
Actually that is your reply. Trump said the press was the enemy of the people. That put true Americans on notice right there. The WH is on notice.
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He keeps skipping key words in a quote like FAKE NEWS (It was even in all caps.)

Could it be that he would rather have a completely different narrative other than reality?

Trump declares 'fake news' media 'the enemy of the American people'

"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"

He seems to want the news media to lie to us all rather than be truthful. That is anti-american. In fact. His misquote is an example of the kind of fake news commonly reported that presents the opposite of the original message.

To me calling for truth in media or anywhere else represents american values or should at least.

All that being said. JR reported he left to do a live report. I have no idea why this is of concern to anyone.
 
JamesBY said:
Anyone who is an enemy of the press is an enemy of the American people and their Republic.
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What about being a enemy of fake news ?
 
Moon said:
How is having off camera press conferences make this or any administration less transparent?
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Because you are removing a primary form of communication, along with removing visual queues!
 
Chomsky said:
Because you are removing a primary form of communication, along with removing visual queues!
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Transparency means the information is available and not being hidden or shielded. The information is being exchanged through verbal questions and answers. Cameras not being in the press room is not making the administration less transparent.
 
Moon said:
Transparency means the information is available and not being hidden or shielded. The information is being exchanged through verbal questions and answers. Cameras not being in the press room is not making the administration less transparent.
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Yes it is altering the transparency (to the public at large)!

They are removing a primary source of communications --> video!

Your lacking in this understanding is examplified in this other post of yours:

Moon said:
Yes, I know what I wrote, but thanks for asking.

I do think they want the cameras on because they're a bunch of prima donnas.

Journalists don't need cameras on to do their jobs. Ask Woodward and Bernstein.
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Woodward and Bernstein used the print media when it was the media of choice. It no longer is. So where are Woodward and Bernstein more commonly found these days? On TV!

But since you implored we ask Woodward and Bernstein, let's do just that!



So, whaddaya' think?
 
VanceMack said:
Your inability to see the left as a problem remains very telling.
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You continue to step in it as you avoid the responsibility of alt and far right. Not to worry. A great majority of the country does not buy your excuse.
 
Moon said:
Transparency means the information is available and not being hidden or shielded. The information is being exchanged through verbal questions and answers. Cameras not being in the press room is not making the administration less transparent.
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Au contraire, sure it is. The visual evidence is every bit as important as the verbal, and together they are insurmountable to challenge.
 
"people that don't understand that AND don't understand the need for a vibrant press in a strong democracy are not only a part of the problem, they probably are the problem" is the best post of the day.
 
trouble13 said:
Deservedly so too, Your trying to make it out like Trump gets the same treatment from the press as they get. It a false equivilency that your trying to make.

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Oh bull**** trump gets what he deserves. His tantrums on twitter are childish and he's supposed to be a professional.
 
Praxas said:
Oh bull**** trump gets what he deserves. His tantrums on twitter are childish and he's supposed to be a professional.
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OK, The press is getting what they deserve back. Im not the one bitching about how mean trump is to the press


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Excon said:
And to think all those years went by without such being needed. Go figure.

Good!
The press should not be grandstanding, this prevents it from happening.
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iLOL the only ones grandstanding are trumptards press secretaries. Trumptard supporters are very easy to spot, they are the ones who are against a free press and America.
 
trouble13 said:
OK, The press is getting what they deserve back. Im not the one bitching about how mean trump is to the press


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It's no suprise you are against a free press, enemies of America are against it too.
 
Moon said:
The State of the Union is political theater, not news reporting.

Kind of funny how all these "bombshells" about Trump are being presented in the written word form, and not from WH press conferences videos.
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I don't understand, are you playing dumb or do you say "Trump do, I like"? There is a reason they stopped the press conferences. It's because they don't want people to be paying attention to the media. Free press, which is a constitutional right (it's the first amendment, the very first one, remember?), is seen as an enemy by the Trump administration. No other administration did this. But Trump do, you like.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes it is altering the transparency (to the public at large)!

They are removing a primary source of communications --> video!

Your lacking in this understanding is examplified in this other post of yours:



Woodward and Bernstein used the print media when it was the media of choice. It no longer is. So where are Woodward and Bernstein more commonly found these days? On TV!

But since you implored we ask Woodward and Bernstein, let's do just that!



So, whaddaya' think?
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I think you're making a mountain out of a flat patch of ground.
 
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Mustachio said:
I don't understand, are you playing dumb or do you say "Trump do, I like"? There is a reason they stopped the press conferences. It's because they don't want people to be paying attention to the media. Free press, which is a constitutional right (it's the first amendment, the very first one, remember?), is seen as an enemy by the Trump administration. No other administration did this. But Trump do, you like.
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The press conferences weren't stopped, and no one's 1st amendment rights are being taken away or infringed.

I'm not a Trump supporter, but I understand that's the intellectually lazy route to take for people who feel like you do.
 
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