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Liberalism vs. Biblical Christianity [W:463]

Maccabee said:
Why is it the only option? For the same reason why the only option for you to be saved from drowning is to trust the life gaurd that's saving you. God is holy and just. He cannot allow imperfection to live with him forever. There must be a way for redemption. In the physical world, a judge neither weighs your good works against your bad nor does he just lets you slide by without some sort of repayment to society.

Why is there eternal punishment for only at most 100 years of your life? For the same reason why we have life without parol or the death penalty for an act that only took a few minutes. It's because our acts are that severe to God.

As for why would God hide himself? I answered this in another post. To add, I've met people who said that if God appeared to them, they would still not change.



All powerful doesn't mean he can do anything. He can't go back on his word or contrafict his character.



The life guard also set rules for us to follow and gave us the ability to learn how to swim. If God made children to be invincible to things like being hit by a car, would that child ever learn to not play in the street?
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whats holy and just supposed to mean hear eternal punishments for finite crimes are not just your not helping any one and your hurting people infinity more then they hurt others

why was it good for the life guard to set you up to be able to drown?

why cant god allow imperfection and if he cant why create it and why not let people just be able to change themselves if being perfect is good then people should switch to it once they figure that out if you give them the ability to do so

and if your hurting people forever then thers still alive so whats that solve maybe god can choose to not be in places but why not let people have a place that can be nice away form it should not be hard for it

these acts cant be that sever to god we cant touch god only 1 another and if we have immortal souls that can be made well nothing is eternally severe

you have not given a good answer to why a god would hide itself

um all powerful seems like it means that yes he can do anything but even if it cant why make words that are evil and have a character that is evil can god not stop itself form doing evil?

the life guard should not have invented the dangers the rules weer for its a terrible life guard in that case and if the child is invincible to cars why not let it ply in the street it would be just fine if your worried about the cars im sure god could mange to make them phase through objects in the way
 
gfm7175 said:
I hope that you will one day come to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour before it is too late, instead of keeping a "hardened heart". Have a pleasant evening, Kind Sir.
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i hope the universe is not the comic horror story ruled over by a pointlessly evil and cruel tyrant you make it out to be
 
gfm7175 said:
Exactly this! God (Jesus Christ) has already appeared on this Earth in human form (about 2,000 years ago), and he did many great miracles and proved without a shadow of a doubt that he is who he said he is, but even given all that, his own creation (and chosen people) demanded that he be crucified for blasphemy...

Point being, even if he were to appear on Earth once again like he did 2,000 years ago, many people would STILL not believe.
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um they would believe god exists and they would probably change if they had the ability to do so and god made some convincing augments for why they should

and the problem with what you said is we dont know any one was ever a god and did miracles we have world wide mutually exclusive gods performing miracles some of it has to be made up any and or all of it could be

and if i recall god was pretty hard on blasphemy in the old testament kinda shot himself in the foot or nailed himself on that one

maybe i would not know god was a god but if some one shows up and can do anything im willing to entertain the idea they likely could be
 
gfm7175 said:
In the Bible... in history... passed down from generation to generation... I don't think it's a coincidence that true Christianity as a belief has lasted as long as it has, and has been as rock solid through worldly persecution and ridicule as it has been, if it was all just a bunch of hog wash... There is a reason that people "cling to their faith" even though the world as a whole is against them
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so people said so

well people can say things that are not true so what else you got
 
gfm7175 said:
You left out the persecution part...
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so the Jews got it right and Christianity and Islam are fan fiction?

could hold up so long as only one group of peel have ever been persecuted

falls apart as even a possibility if not
 
Maccabee said:
Why is it the only option? For the same reason why the only option for you to be saved from drowning is to trust the life gaurd that's saving you. God is holy and just. He cannot allow imperfection to live with him forever. There must be a way for redemption. In the physical world, a judge neither weighs your good works against your bad nor does he just lets you slide by without some sort of repayment to society.

Why is there eternal punishment for only at most 100 years of your life? For the same reason why we have life without parol or the death penalty for an act that only took a few minutes. It's because our acts are that severe to God.

As for why would God hide himself? I answered this in another post. To add, I've met people who said that if God appeared to them, they would still not change.



All powerful doesn't mean he can do anything. He can't go back on his word or contrafict his character.



The life guard also set rules for us to follow and gave us the ability to learn how to swim. If God made children to be invincible to things like being hit by a car, would that child ever learn to not play in the street?
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please see post 976 1st before this one

thinking about it a bit more even if god cant manage to make people and cars not interact selectively this might still be a plus for are vehicles currently their designed to crumple up and absorb force so we dont get manged in crashes but if we weer car proof you could make the cars more damage resistant so if we just make cattle catchers a more standard bumper design we should be able to keep the streets clear of obstructions while getting more durable vehicles


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_(locomotive)
 
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blarg said:
um

re·al·i·ty
rēˈalədē/Submit
noun
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.

truth
tro͞oTH/Submit
noun
the quality or state of being true.
"he had to accept the truth of her accusation"
synonyms: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candor, honesty; More
that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality.
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I disagree with your definitions...truth is always real but reality is not always true...
 
blarg said:
i hope the universe is not the comic horror story ruled over by a pointlessly evil and cruel tyrant you make it out to be
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Why do you feel that the Christian God is "pointlessly evil and cruel"?

I see a loving God who chose to save us from our corrupted nature.
 
Elvira said:
I disagree with your definitions...truth is always real but reality is not always true...
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So, you make up your own meanings, and use something other than the dictionary meaning ?? That is not conducive to communication.
 
RAMOSS said:
So, you make up your own meanings, and use something other than the dictionary meaning ?? That is not conducive to communication.
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Point out what part of what I said is not true...
 
Elvira said:
Point out what part of what I said is not true...
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Well, teh claim 'reality is not always true' is a false statement for one.
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, teh claim 'reality is not always true' is a false statement for one.
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Really? So a schizo or an Alzheimer person's reality is true/real?:roll:
 
Elvira said:
Really? So a schizo or an Alzheimer person's reality is true/real?:roll:
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And, there were have the logical fallacy of equivocation. Reality is what it is, despite someone's perceptions of it. You are mixing up subjective perception with the what reality actually is.

Realty is what is, no matter what someone thinks or does not think about it.
 
RAMOSS said:
And, there were have the logical fallacy of equivocation. Reality is what it is, despite someone's perceptions of it. You are mixing up subjective perception with the what reality actually is.

Realty is what is, no matter what someone thinks or does not think about it.
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It is STILL their reality and it is not true so my statement is correct...you are wrong...:roll:
 
Elvira said:
It is STILL their reality and it is not true so my statement is correct...you are wrong...:roll:
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No, it is their perception fo reality. Do you understand what equivocation is?
 
RAMOSS said:
No, it is their perception fo reality. Do you understand what equivocation is?
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Truth is always real but reality is not always true...
 
Elvira said:
Truth is always real but reality is not always true...
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Repeating a mantra does not make it true. That statement is false, and using the logical fallacy of equivocation.. because , by definiton, reality is what is true, no matter what people think about it.
 
gfm7175 said:
Why do you feel that the Christian God is "pointlessly evil and cruel"?

I see a loving God who chose to save us from our corrupted nature.
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because we only need saving from it theirs no need for death or eternal torture if god is all powerful

evil is harming others and taking whats theirs with out consent

such things dont need to be possible and you can keep free will if god is all powerful and it should know that if its all knowing
 
Elvira said:
Really? So a schizo or an Alzheimer person's reality is true/real?:roll:
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think you mean their perception if their delusional its not reality just what they think is reality

de·lu·sion·al
dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/Submit
adjective
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
"hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia"
based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken.
 
blarg said:
think you mean their perception if their delusional its not reality just what they think is reality
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Try convincing them of that...
 
blarg said:
ya that can be hard to impossible but they still are
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Because it is their reality...you will never convince them otherwise, even though their reality is not true...
 
Elvira said:
Because it is their reality...you will never convince them otherwise, even though their reality is not true...
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theirs only one reality their delusions are not reality but a false perception
 
Elvira said:
Because it is their reality...you will never convince them otherwise, even though their reality is not true...
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de·lu·sion·al
dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/Submit
adjective
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
"hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia"
based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken.
 
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