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A Question To Pro-Choice People

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Let's pray the change will be a good thing for the unborn baby.

Let's pray that the change will be good for all women.

Do you think that women should be forced to remain pregnant against their will? Yes or no?
 
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The majority of abortions are vacuum aspiration or medical (medication ie. RU 486). The fetus is incapable of feeling anything.

D&E abortions are the extreme minority and, as Minnie has shown time and time again, the fetus is dead before dismemberment begins. Dead entities cannot feel anything.

He knows all that. He's just lying to try and force his interpretation of God's Will on women...a huge sin, usurping God's Will like that. God gave us all free will...it's not up to him to lie to try and force it on others.
 
From page 2 of the CDC report.



Read more:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr060.pdf


Contraceptives won't work if women won't use them! :shrug:



Contraceptive discontinuation and repeat unintended pregnancy within 1 year after an abortion

The very factors that contribute to their unintended pregnancies are also associated with poor method use, including stressful life events, impulsive behavior, denial of risk, inability to negotiate safer sex practices, and low self-efficacy.



Women who were enrolled into the study on the day of their abortion were 20% more likely to discontinue their contraceptive method than women who never had an abortion (AHR=1.21; 95%CI=1.03-1.42).

Women who had a recent abortion or previous abortion were 60% more likely to have a pregnancy during follow-up than women who never had an abortion (AHR=1.63, 95%CI=1.21-2.20 and AHR=1.66, 95%CI=1.18-2.33, respectively).


Conclusion

The experience of having an unintended pregnancy and abortion does not lead to behavioral changes that protect against another unintended pregnancy.
Contraceptive discontinuation and repeat unintended pregnancy within 1 year after an abortion
 
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Were they all consistently using birth control?


I've asked: how accurate are those surveys?

How many women who'd had unwanted pregnancies will actually admit to not using any
contraceptives at all?


Contraceptive discontinuation and repeat unintended pregnancy within 1 year after an abortion


In spite of an expanding menu of contraceptive options, women in the United States continue to experience high rates of unintended pregnancy, with nearly half of all pregnancies identified as unintended . Of these, 40% end in abortion . One of the main reasons for these high rates is inconsistent and incorrect use of contraception.

However, women who undergo abortion may have unique characteristics that make them a high-risk group and more susceptible to repeat unintended pregnancies than other patient populations.

The very factors that contribute to their unintended pregnancies are also associated with poor method use, including stressful life events, impulsive behavior, denial of risk, inability to negotiate safer sex practices, and low self-efficacy .

One study found that women undergoing repeat abortions may have better access to contraception but struggle with using methods correctly .
Contraceptive discontinuation and repeat unintended pregnancy within 1 year after an abortion
 
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What part of 62 percent of US women are using birth control consistently do you not understand?

I already stated that 10 percent of women were not using birth control and were at high risk for an unplanned pregnancy.

In 2015 About 18 percent of pregnant US women aborted their pregnancy.

That percentage is less than United Kingdom , Canada, Denmark or Sweden.

Percentage of pregnancies aborted by country (listed by percentage)
 
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Terri's murderers are with God's plan and her attempted saviors are not?

I don't understand why you don't like God.
 
It couldn't be about "ceasing production," when the product has been created already!
Production is done! A human life exists!

It's just now a matter of delivery.....which can't be done through amazon.

Ceasing production, would be at anytime before Joe ejaculates.... when the woman yells time-out, and asks:

ARE YOU WEARING A CONDOM? :mrgreen:

At conception a zygote has been created. Production has only begun. Over the next approximately 270 days or so, production can be ceased for numerous reasons or causes, naturally or by choice of the Woman.








So.....giving birth to a child has now become just one of those "rare cases?"
And here I thought birth is part of the natural cycle of life.

Perhaps you should read more carefully before responding.





The government has every right to interfere when another human's right is being violated.
That's why it's crucial for pro-choice to try to dehumanize the fetus.

There is no "right" to be born.






You have not been in this section for long? You should review the posts on this thread.

Perhaps you will quote the words in full you refer to, claiming such?




Who said anything about forcing to impregnate a woman?

I didn't, so why are you asking me?




Only when she doesn't oppress the right of another human being.

She would be exercising her own right while you and others seem intent on oppressing her right.


Having allowed for another human to be created inside her, is a conscious decision on her part
to have agreed, and allowed for that consequence.


She's made that decision.
Even if that were true, she has a right to change her mind.


Unless the woman was raped............how did the baby get created inside her?

Surely pro-choice isn't in any way insinuating that a woman is also "not conscious of her surroundings,
and is lacking of awareness?"
:lol:
By allowing a fertilized egg to develop over a 9 month period.

Perhaps this is how we should look at it:
A human sperm impregnates a human egg.
A human zygote is produced.
After some time has passed the human zygote becomes a human embryo.
The human embryo eventually develops into a human fetus.
And after approximately 9 months, if not aborted, parturition of the human fetus occurs, producing a human being.
At that point, a birth record is created and the rights of the individual become accorded by our laws.
 
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Mueller must have thought the democrat-hatched Trump/Russian conspiracy theory was real because he started spying on Cohen the first week he was on the misguided fake conspiracy hunt. It was nearly a year later before the goons raided Cohen's office.

Mueller was wrong. Christopher Steele invented the work of fiction for money and because he hated Trump, like 100% of Mueller's staff. Trump has been claiming there was no collusion for years and has been challenging Mueller to come clean and admit that fact.

So....you know more that everybody else. Got it.:roll:

Now how did you turn Rod Rosenstein into a leftist?:lamo
 
Contraceptives won't work if women won't use them! :shrug:

Yes, the people that are just looking to blame women will say that....it's what they want to believe. Why do you want to believe that of women? Please tell me.

Now I can give you straight numbers...simple math...that unbiased, honest, intelligent people understand:

--birth control methods, even properly and consistently used, are only about 98% effective.

--millions of Americans have sex millions and millions of times a day, every day.

--with the error rate in birth control, this means that there will still be 10's of thousands of accidental pregnancies *every day.*

Now...care to rethink your perceptions based on reality instead of prejudice?
 
What part of 62 percent of US women are using birth control consistently do you not understand?

I already stated that 10 percent of women were not using birth control and were at high risk for an unplanned pregnancy.

In 2015 About 18 percent of pregnant US women aborted their pregnancy.

That percentage is less than United Kingdom , Canada, Denmark or Sweden.

Percentage of pregnancies aborted by country (listed by percentage)

I'm skeptical about your source. Data isn't as simple as that! Read the UK source below.


What part of that US study I gave you, do you not understand?


In spite of an expanding menu of contraceptive options, women in the United States continue to experience high rates of unintended pregnancy, with nearly half of all pregnancies identified as unintended . Of these, 40% end in abortion .

One of the main reasons for these high rates is inconsistent and incorrect use of contraception.

Among women undergoing abortion, 54% report contraceptive use (most often condoms or oral contraceptives) during the month they became pregnant. However, much of this use is ineffective, with 49% of condom users and 76% of pill users reporting incorrect or inconsistent use .

The very factors that contribute to their unintended pregnancies are also associated with poor method use, including stressful life events, impulsive behavior, denial of risk, inability to negotiate safer sex practices, and low self-efficacy .
Contraceptive discontinuation and repeat unintended pregnancy within 1 year after an abortion




The same is happening in the UK.

Record high number of abortions which are 'repeats'

More than one in three of all abortions last year were performed on women who had previously had the procedure, figures show.

The statistics for last year disclosed that dozens of women had undergone at least nine terminations.

The figures show that a record 37 per cent of all abortions in England and Wales last year were repeat procedures.

More than 4,500 women had had at least four abortions, 1,334 were on at least their fifth and 33 women had nine or more terminations.



The statistics show that the number of abortions among teenagers fell sharply, with 12,783 among those under 18, compared with 14,599 the previous year.

However, the number among women in their 40s rose to a record 8,426 cases last year – up 20 per cent in a decade.

While the number of single women having abortions rose slightly since 2002, the figures show a tripling in the number among women with partners.
Record high number of abortions which are 'repeats' - Telegraph




Contraceptions don't work if you won't consistently use them!

The woman has sole autonomy of her body.

The onus is on her to try to learn how to use contraceptions efficiently, and to use it consistently!
That's her responsibility.............after all, she'll be the one having an unwanted pregnancy.
Not her partner!

Anyway, even if the rate is declining - there are still so many abortions!
With so many kinds of contraceptions - there's no excuse for having an unwanted pregnancy!
 
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Unintended Pregnancy in the United States | Guttmacher Institute

This shows what I have been saying all along. Long term contraception is the best. Less chance of misapplication or "oops I forgot a pill" or finding out after the fact that your contraception might have been useless all month.

It might be the best - but if the woman isn't comfortable with it, obviously she won't choose it.

Whatever her preference is, it is her responsibility to learn how to use them efficiently, and to use them consistently.
 
I'm skeptical about your source. Data isn't as simple as that!

It’s the same source of data that has been used in charts since 1973.

In the early- mid 1980s ( when the new came out about birth control pills causing blood clots , stokes, and or heart attacks ) the rate was about 30 percent.

Since then the amount of hormones in birth controls is less and they are safer.
Also there are other even more effective types of birth control options and our abortion rates keep falling.

Here is chart of US abortions from 1960 to 2013

United States abortion rates, 1960-2013
 
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It’s the same source of data that has been used in charts since 1973.

In the early- mid 1980s ( when the new came out about birth control pills causing blood clots , stokes, and or heart attacks ) the rate was about 30 percent.

Since then the amount of hormones in birth controls is less and they are safer.
Also there are other even more effective types of birth control options and our abortion rates keep falling.

Here is chart of US abortions from 1960 to 2013

United States abortion rates, 1960-2013

They keep saying.....the abortion rates keep falling......

Lol, with all the array of contraceptives - there's no excuse for abortion!
 
They keep saying.....the abortion rates keep falling......

Lol, with all the array of contraceptives - there's no excuse for abortion!

You are not only forgetting that many women abort pregnancies that resulted from rape or incest;

Abortions for medical reasons are also included in abortion stats.

Actually in 2004 25 percent of women sought an abortion for medical reasons.

From Table 2 2004
Page 113 of the following:

The woman answered she sought an abortion in 2004 because:

Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus ... 13 percent of time

Physical problem with my health ... 12 percent of the time.

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/journals/3711005.pdf
 
It might be the best - but if the woman isn't comfortable with it, obviously she won't choose it.

Whatever her preference is, it is her responsibility to learn how to use them efficiently, and to use them consistently.

It is not about "comfort with it"

It is about the long term options that cost twice the cost of an abortion. Most women who chose abortion are poor or working poor. Too rich for medicaid and certainly too poor to to afford the steep cost of IUDs or implantables. And to top things off, she will need one that is best for her, which may include ones that do not contain hormones.

And yes, some may not be comfortable with one of the long term choices. So she will chose one with a higher failure rate and hope she does not get pregnant. And if she does she had the legal choice to abort. And she will decide if it is the moral one for her.
 
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So....you know more that everybody else. Got it.:roll:

Now how did you turn Rod Rosenstein into a leftist?:lamo

I didn't have anything to do with Rod Redactenstein's assault on Trump and cover up of the criminal activities in the Obama Justice Department.
 
They keep saying.....the abortion rates keep falling......

Lol, with all the array of contraceptives - there's no excuse for abortion!

Yeah, because everyone's perfect, right? I find it interesting, nay fascinating, that the states with the highest rates of both unwanted teen pregnancy and divorce happen to be Republican and very conservative.
• Top U.S. states by teenage pregnancy rate 2013 | Statistic
5 States With Highest, Lowest Divorce Rates - news - att.net

The party of family values!
 
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Yeah, because everyone's perfect, right? I find it interesting, nay fascinating, that the states with the highest rates of both unwanted teen pregnancy and divorce happen to be Republican and very conservative.
• Top U.S. states by teenage pregnancy rate 2013 | Statistic
5 States With Highest, Lowest Divorce Rates - news - att.net

The party of family values!
:roll:

Irrelevant.
Political parties aren't the reason why one would have an unwanted pregnancy. Stick to the topic.
 
It is not about "comfort with it"

It is about the long term options that cost twice the cost of an abortion. Most women who chose abortion are poor or working poor. Too rich for medicaid and certainly too poor to to afford the steep cost of IUDs or implantables. And to top things off, she will need one that is best for her, which may include ones that do not contain hormones.

And yes, some may not be comfortable with one of the long term choices. So she will chose one with a higher failure rate and hope she does not get pregnant. And if she does she had the legal choice to abort. And she will decide if it is the moral one for her.

My point: you can promote long-term option as being the best, but no matter how hard you do - if the woman is not comfortable with that option - she won't go for it.

Just look at the IUD!


IUDs Are 20 Times As Effective as the Pill, So Why Aren't More Women Using Them?
IUDs Are 20 Times As Effective as the Pill, So Why Aren't More Women Using Them? | GOOD


Maybe, they should improve IUD as best technology would allow, or come up with something even better....

As a woman, considering the consequence - I'd be using two methods of contraception!
Condom will definitely be one of them (STD). Maybe, be on the pill too, or with also an IUD.
 
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Irrelevant.
Political parties aren't the reason why one would have an unwanted pregnancy. Stick to the topic.

Right, so all those conservative family values we keep hearing them spout have nothing to do with it. No hypocrisy there then. Got you.
Church on Sunday, Planned Parenthood on Monday (this time).
 
If the Supreme Court was able to overturn the ruling against a Christian baker (SSM Wedding Cake) over something like "artistic expression," who knows what could happen with abortion!

The baker won that case because of the Civil Rights Commision's attitude toward him, NOT because of his refusal to bake the cake.

On Monday, Justice Kennedy chose a third path, one that seemed to apply only to the case before the court.

Writing for the majority in the 7-to-2 decision, he said the Civil Rights Commission’s ruling against the baker, Jack Phillips, had been infected by religious animus. He cited what he said were “inappropriate and dismissive comments” from one commissioner in saying that the panel had acted inappropriately and that its decision should be overturned.

“The neutral and respectful consideration to which Phillips was entitled was compromised here,” Justice Kennedy wrote. “The Civil Rights Commission’s treatment of his case has some elements of a clear and impermissible hostility toward the sincere religious beliefs that motivated his objection.”

In Narrow Decision, Supreme Court Sides With Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple - The New York Times
 
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Calling the unborn baby a fetus is essential for abortionists to avoid any sense of shame or guilt for executing a human baby in the womb.

Fetus is the proper term for the gestational stage from the end of week 8 to birth.

Baby is a term of endearment.

Your post reminds me of how some people use "whooha" or "vajayjay" instead of "vagina". For some reason, they are uncomfortable using the proper term for that body part.
 
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I didn't have anything to do with Rod Redactenstein's assault on Trump and cover up of the criminal activities in the Obama Justice Department.
Right, you are just reduced to moronic name calling. I guess, at your level that is the best you can do.
 
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