A Question To Pro-Choice People

[Peter King]

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How do you assume a vegetable wants to die with dignity? If the vegetable doesn't care and her parents want to keep the vegetable to care for because they love her then why take the vegetable away from her parents and give her to the executioners to slowly starve her to death because she lingers on in spite of having the plug pulled?

1. because the court decided that she would not have wanted to live like a vegetable, no sane person wants to be a vegetable for the rest of their lives

2. she was an adult, she was not a child, it does not matter what her uncaring parents wanted. And yes, I say uncaring as they only cared about their own feelings, they did not care about the best interest of their child, only their own feelings.

3. she was not executed, that is a lie, she was allowed to die. She would have died a good deal earlier if nature had been allowed to take it's course, then the dehydration death would not have been needed. She also would not have been starved to death, death of dehydration comes much quicker. Also she could not eat, she would die if she would eat, she would have to be forced fed through a tube.

4. her parents IMHO where ghouls, they loved the attention they got and did not want to give it up for anything, not even the best interest of their daughter. If you are a parent you should care about what your daughter would have wanted, not what you want. She was dead already inside, only her shell was being kept alive because of first hope and that is fine, but when there is no more hope whatsoever, parents/spouses have to take their responsibility and allow someone who is a vegetable to die. And no, I am not talking about regular coma patients, for some of them waking up is still an option, in this case that was impossible. She was given peace at least, despite her selfish parents.

 

[tosca1]

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Humans are mammals and are all warm-blooded. Basic biology.

Not these people. Cold-blooded. They're the freak of our specie!

They belong up there with Bundy and Gacy.

 

[Wayne Jr]

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And I enjoy [being a troll]

You're not good at it, though. I mean, sure, you might be happy, but we see right through it.

 

[Wayne Jr]

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Not these people. Cold-blooded. They're the freak of our specie!

Yes, even those people. They are warm-blooded. It's the nature of being a mammal.

 

[tosca1]

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Yes, even those people. They are warm-blooded. It's the nature of being a mammal.

Cold-blooded killers.

Bundy. Gacy. Hitler.

 

[Wayne Jr]

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And I enjoy bashing moronic women.

You enjoy bashing women.

Noted.

 

[Wayne Jr]

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Cold-blooded killers.

Bundy. Gacy. Hitler.

As mammals, they were all warm-blooded. This is a biological fact.

 

[AGENT J]

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Murdering babies after they are born alive and calling it abortion instead of murder. You know, what Beto proposed and what Gosnell practiced.

who supported murdering babies? link? factual proof?
gosnell? where is he at right now?

theres factually no such thing as post-birth abortions

your post fails again LMAO

 

[tosca1]

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As mammals, they were all warm-blooded. This is a biological fact.

I suppose you haven't heard of the term "cold-blooded" in a different nuance?



Okay....here it is, just for you:

Cold-blooded - definition of cold-blooded by The Free Dictionary


I suppose you haven't heard the term "monster" too, that's applied to humans?
That's for another lesson. :mrgreen: I'm busy.


Bye.

 

[Peter King]

Let's get this straight.

The fetus is a full person - who's simply going through the natural stages of development
(just like you and I did when we were at that stage).


You can't diminish his humanity just because you've already passed that stage!
Lol. Before we know it, you guys will also be claiming a toddler isn't a full human!


Legally.....we'll have to wait until some of these cases reach the Supreme Court.
Whatever laws exist today that favors pro-choice could be overturned, or maybe not.

And let me be straight.

What you wrote above here is your opinion, nothing more and nothing less. You believe that a full person is created at conception, good for you, but other people:

1. disagree with you because it is your views based on whatever religion/world view your rely to justify this

2. disagree because they are aware that other facts exist that gives them the certainty to think that an early ZEF is not a person

And as you are of the opinion that it is a full human being then fine, don't have an abortion. But the issue is that you want EVERYBODY else to start living according to your personal views, despite was earlier court decisions have stated about personhood, despite what other people (the majority) thinks about abortion and what most people think about Roe v. Wade.

It is not a governments right to interfere in the private medical decisions of a woman, not matter how much you think differently. That the extreme pro-life cult is trying to stack the supreme court with their kind of cultists, does not change the fact that the law already had spoken about this issue and no new arguments are available to deny women their right to choose.

 

[Wayne Jr]

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I suppose you haven't heard of the term "[emotionaly charged political rehtoric]" in a different nuance?

Oh I sure have, but this is about facts, not politics. I know you hate women and love to bash them, but all humans are mammals and all mammals are warm-blooded.

 

[Wayne Jr]

The fetus is a full person -

No it's not, dude.

No.

It.
Is.
Not.

 

[year2late]

So what?


You're saying, just because protection isn't 100% guaranteed, therefore they shouldn't bother at all?

No wonder STD is skyrocketing! :lol:

It is a large number of women that use birth control and get pregnant.

Unfortunately the most reliable form IUDs and implantables can cost about twice the cost of an abortion. The women most at risk for abortion (working poor, too rich for medicaid, too poor for insurance) cannot afford that up front cost.

And I firmly believe that both parties should use contraception. Not my choice or your choice for the couple. Condom use is a hard sell for many men.

 

[year2late]

Lol.....you make me cry. Tough luck. :shrug:

You should worry more about people (regardless of gender and age) who themselves are actually dying, because they're too poor to buy food, and medicines for treatment.

The woman who plays fast and loose with her health (acquiring STD), would be at the bottom of my worries. That's called, prioritizing.







Let's get this straight.

The fetus is a full person - who's simply going through the natural stages of development
(just like you and I did when we were at that stage).


You can't diminish his humanity just because you've already passed that stage!
Lol. Before we know it, you guys will also be claiming a toddler isn't a full human!


Legally.....we'll have to wait until some of these cases reach the Supreme Court.
Whatever laws exist today that favors pro-choice could be overturned, or maybe not.

Nope. Our SCOTUS helped us out with this one. Not a person while in the womb.

Does bolding and coloring your larger font make you feel as if you are right?

 

[tosca1]

It is a large number of women that use birth control and get pregnant.

Show me.

Anyway, how many women with unwanted pregnancy, would admit to not having used any contraception?

 

[tosca1]

Nope. Our SCOTUS helped us out with this one. Not a person while in the womb.

Does bolding and coloring your larger font make you feel as if you are right?

That's more like you're in a state of denial. :lol:

So, why do we still have this controversy happening in some states?
Why do you think some states want their bill to work its way to the Supreme Court?


I'm not making that up!

Ohio's new governor says he'll sign 'heartbeat' abortion bill that Kasich vetoed


Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said Wednesday that he will “absolutely” sign a controversial “heartbeat bill” that former Gov. John Kasich vetoed last month. The proposal would make abortions illegal once a fetal heartbeat can be detected.

DeWine, a Republican who took office last week after his election victory in November, told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on his show that he recognizes the challenges the bill will face from groups such as Planned Parenthood once it is signed into law.

“But ultimately, this will work its way up to the United States Supreme Court,” DeWine told Hewitt. “And they’ll make that decision.”

Ohio'''s new governor says he'''ll sign '''heartbeat''' abortion bill that Kasich vetoed | Fox News



If the Supreme Court was able to overturn the ruling against a Christian baker (SSM Wedding Cake) over something like "artistic expression," who knows what could happen with abortion!

 

[minnie616]

Show me.

Anyway, how many women with unwanted pregnancy, would admit to not having used any contraception?

From the following 2012 CDC report on page 5

In 2006 to 2010 62 percent of women of child bearing years were using birth control consistently.

Of those not using birth control consistently

9 percent were currently pregnant.

19 percent were not sexually active.

Which leaves just 10 percent of women in the high risk category.

See page 5

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr060.pdf

 

[minnie616]

It is a large number of women that use birth control and get pregnant.

Unfortunately the most reliable form IUDs and implantables can cost about twice the cost of an abortion. The women most at risk for abortion (working poor, too rich for medicaid, too poor for insurance) cannot afford that up front cost.

And I firmly believe that both parties should use contraception. Not my choice or your choice for the couple. Condom use is a hard sell for many men.

Show me.

Anyway, how many women with unwanted pregnancy, would admit to not having used any contraception?

From page 2 of the CDC report.

Estimates of the probability that a woman will become pregnant within the first 12 months that a contraceptive method is used are based on typical
use (18). ...
they show that the average probability of having an unintended pregnancy in one year of typical contraceptive use (of all methods) in the United States was about 12%.
....
The chance a woman will have an unintended pregnancy within the first year of using a contraceptive method varies significantly by which method she uses. Hormonal methods (e.g., the pill, and injectable and implantable contraceptives) and the intrauterine device (IUD) are more effective at preventing pregnancy than other methods.

Read more:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr060.pdf

 

[marke]

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It is her right to decide whatever she feels like, that is the right to choose. It says nothing about how she may or may not have thought about her fetus.

Calling the unborn baby a fetus is essential for abortionists to avoid any sense of shame or guilt for executing a human baby in the womb.

 

[marke]

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Leading neuroscientist Michael Gazzaniga , ( a member of President Bush’s Council on Bioethics) said that before about 26 weeks the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as a someone brain dead.



Read more:

The Consciousness Meter: Sure You Want That? | WIRED

Abortionists have found neuroscientists who help them rationalize that a fetus is a non-living human baby before 26 weeks?

 

[marke]

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Because God wanted it that way. How come you aren't with God's plan?

Terri's murderers are with God's plan and her attempted saviors are not?

 

[marke]

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According to the following quote from Christianity Today “ God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed.”




In 1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary, explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:

“God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: 'If a man kills any human life he will be put to death' (Lev. 24:17). But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense… Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”

One man gets it wrong and the rest of the abortionists in the world follow the blind into the ditch?

 

[marke]

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Rod Rosenstein is a leftist?

The Mueller investigation is for discovering....

"any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" .

I would think that President Trump....a true patriot, would want to know if anyone inside his campaign was linked or coordinating with a foreign power,

The fact that there was alot of poorly cooperative individuals hell bent on protecting themselves by witholding (or lying about) information made this investigation draw out if longer than needed. The narcissist in President Trump really believes that "because I said so" is a final answer. It is not is not the fault of Mueller that President Trump has associated himself with so many swamp creatures - which complicate the investigation.

Mueller must have thought the democrat-hatched Trump/Russian conspiracy theory was real because he started spying on Cohen the first week he was on the misguided fake conspiracy hunt. It was nearly a year later before the goons raided Cohen's office.

Mueller was wrong. Christopher Steele invented the work of fiction for money and because he hated Trump, like 100% of Mueller's staff. Trump has been claiming there was no collusion for years and has been challenging Mueller to come clean and admit that fact.

 

[marke]

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Yes it is. Completely hers.

Unborn babies are totally at the mercy of their mothers who have the legal right to decide whether they live or die, just like a cruel despot leader of an enslaved nation.

 

[Peter King]

Show me.

Anyway, how many women with unwanted pregnancy, would admit to not having used any contraception?

The study was released by the British Pregnancy Advisory Service who found that 51.2% of women who have abortions were using birth control – birth hormonal and non-hormonal contraception.

Alarming new statistics reveals how many women get pregnant while on birth control | Mens and Womens symptoms, causes and cures

That many according to a British study.