A Question To Pro-Choice People

[minnie616]

Try not to project your feelings about women on me. What makes her a slut is her failure to take responsibility for her actions.

The slut shaming is totally your language. You said it ....you own it.

If the woman becomes pregnant she does take responsibility for her actions as Lursa has pointed out many times on this DP board

She can have an abortion
She can give birth.
Or she might have a miscarriage.

 

[tosca1]

Right, so all those conservative family values we keep hearing them spout have nothing to do with it. No hypocrisy there then. Got you.
Church on Sunday, Planned Parenthood on Monday (this time).

Yeah, like everyone's perfect, right? Didn't you just say that in your last post? :lol:



Right, so all those liberal people who march to save the animals from cruelty and senseless killing.......are only too gungho to promote cruelty to, and the murder of the most vulnerable of their own kind. :roll:

Yep. No hypocrisy there. More like a warped mentality.



Now, you've gotten that off your chest.......let's get back on topic.

 

[AGENT J]

If you haven't "figured it out" yet, apparently you have a problem with identifying what responsibility is. I don't have that problem. I can't help you learn things your should have learned growing up. And that's actually the only thing I have exposed: your inability to understand responsibilities.

Hey look ANOTHER dodge and more lies!!! :lamo:lamo


Ill ask you again, what responsibility?

 

[tosca1]

The answer to the question is that the religious right gets a huge boner by dictating morality, while ignoring what happens in you own family. Look who we just elected president - a man who is ruled by is id - and you guys give him a pass on all the horrible **** he's said and done.

Clean up your own house - then come and try to dictate how others should behave - we love it when you do that!

This thread is not about Trump, either.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Try not to project your feelings about women on me. What makes her a slut is her failure to take responsibility for her actions.

Do you even know what a slut is?

Having an abortion because one doesn't understand what happens after intercourse is irresponsible.

Prove it.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I never said they didn't. Just for your edification, what I said was they were responsible for the outcome, and abortion is only the easy way out.

Why would anyone want to take a hard way over an easy way?

 

[Scrabaholic]

I have ALWAYS had that position. You have only been watching this nonsense from Lursa and the like trying to justify their murderous position. You do need to agree that the involved man should have some say in this abortion issue, but the ***** hat wearers go apoplectic. He has as much right to the life of that ZEF as she does, she just has to carry it.

Then she can hand it over to him once the doctor removes it from her body.

 

[smallvoice]

It is ethical for any reason....because it prevents all the things I just listed. Greater good for women, for healthier babies, for their dependents, for their commitments and obligations to employers and community.

Wrong. Try again. Just because you say it is ethical to terminate life, doesn't make it so.

 

[smallvoice]

The govt subsidizes none, by law...so you are not even properly informed on the issue. Or are you one of those that just chooses to ignore the facts because you dont want to believe them?

And you are not telling the truth...because you complained about 'undesireables' having abortions. Beyond the fact that the govt doesnt subsidize their abortions, it also means that those women are having abortions for their own futures and future contributions to society...which IMO, you dont recognize as justifiable...correct?

So you don't accept that PP is using taxpayer money for their operations, a large part of which is supporting abortions? Got it. Ignored it.

 

[smallvoice]

The slut shaming is totally your language. You said it ....you own it.

If the woman becomes pregnant she does take responsibility for her actions as Lursa has pointed out many times on this DP board

She can have an abortion
She can give birth.
Or she might have a miscarriage.

Sorry, it wasn't me that introduced the term "slut shaming" to this discussion. I merely corrected the usage. So OK, whatever "own it" means. If "I" own in, I hereby demand you stop using "my property". <Sarcasm off>

 

[smallvoice]

Hey look ANOTHER dodge and more lies!!! :lamo:lamo


Ill ask you again, what responsibility?

Another idiot response. Keep it up.

 

[smallvoice]

Do you even know what a slut is?




Prove it.

Prove you are conservative.

 

[Lursa]

Wrong. Try again. Just because you say it is ethical to terminate life, doesn't make it so.

And just because you say it's not doesnt mean it isnt. I provided a list of responsible (ethical) reasons why abortion is acceptable as an option. It is responsible in protecting taxpayers, society, infants from defects, and future life (of the woman and her future children).

All those are very ethical goals.

Now why dont you tell me why you believe it's unethical, beyond the fact that you value the life of the unborn more than the life of women? And a life is more than just a heartbeat...any higher life form has that physiological function. I'm talking about the entirety of a life...self-determination, contributions and commitments to family and society, experiences, basically liberty: The positive enjoyment of social, political, or economic rights and privileges.

Please explain why you believe the woman should sacrifice those things for the unborn? Explain why you believe the unborn is more deserving of those exact same things than women?

 

[Lursa]

So you don't accept that PP is using taxpayer money for their operations, a large part of which is supporting abortions? Got it. Ignored it.

Those operations are occuring whether or not they provide or refer for abortions anyway.

And if it's $$ you are concerned about, ALL the services that PP provide save the taxpayers way more $$.

Publicly Funded Family Planning Services in the United States | Guttmacher Institute

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/journals/MQ-Frost_1468-0009.12080.pdf

U.S. Taxpayers Save $7 For Every Dollar The Government Spends On Family Planning – ThinkProgress

Here's the bottom line: US taxpayers save $7 or every $1 the govt spends on family planning

 

[AGENT J]

Another idiot response. Keep it up.

Awesome another dodge and now failed personal attacks since you cant support your claims, i love it!!
Ill ask you again, what responsibility?

 

[prometeus]

Try not to project your feelings about women on me. What makes her a slut is her failure to take responsibility for her actions.

Just who the **** made you the decider of what is responsible? You think that your ignorance qualifies you?

 

[smallvoice]

Just who the **** made you the decider of what is responsible? You think that your ignorance qualifies you?

No, but yours certainly does it for you.

 

[minnie616]

So you don't accept that PP is using taxpayer money for their operations, a large part of which is supporting abortions? Got it. Ignored it.

Planned Parenhood does not use taxpayer money for abortions.

It is a myth that taxpayers are paying for abortion at PP.

Elective abortions are paid by the woman herself with help on occasion by donated abortion funds.


From the Washington Post.

Opponents of Planned Parenthood insist that giving the organization federal dollars allows it to spend other money in its budget to provide abortions. That is not possible — there is no other money.

Title X is a federal grant program that exists solely to help low-income and uninsured people access contraceptives and sexual health care; 5.2 million people use the program annually. But Congress has never appropriated enough money to take care of the estimated 17 million Americans who need publicly funded family-planning care. There always are more patients than subsidies.

Further, a Title X grant is designed to help with costs, not to fully cover them. So family-planning programs are required to find other money to support the Title X project — not the other way around. For patients who qualify for Medicaid, reimbursement rates for reproductive health services are lower than the cost of the care. A typical family-planning visit might cost upward of $200, including the exam, lab tests and contraceptive method, but the Medicaid reimbursement rate may be as low as $20.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...14/AFogj1iD_story.html?utm_term=.6b056bdaf20b

 

[year2late]

Re: @ least two errors there

I didn't have anything to do with Rod Redactenstein's assault on Trump and cover up of the criminal activities in the Obama Justice Department.

You stated he was a leftist. Nice avoiding how untruthful your comment is...

 

[Scrabaholic]

Prove you are conservative.

How about answering my question instead of asking me an irrelevant one?

 

[year2late]

My point: you can promote long-term option as being the best, but no matter how hard you do - if the woman is not comfortable with that option - she won't go for it.

Just look at the IUD!



IUDs Are 20 Times As Effective as the Pill, So Why Aren't More Women Using Them? | GOOD


Maybe, they should improve IUD as best technology would allow, or come up with something even better....

As a woman, considering the consequence - I'd be using two methods of contraception!
Condom will definitely be one of them (STD). Maybe, be on the pill too, or with also an IUD.

She chooses what is best for her and deals with the failure rates. Having a baby or abortion - her choice- not yours.

 

[smallvoice]

How about answering my question instead of asking me an irrelevant one?

It's VERY relevant. It's an act of war to fly another flag in order to engage. That exactly what you are doing.

 

[Scrabaholic]

It's VERY relevant. It's an act of war to fly another flag in order to engage. That exactly what you are doing.

Still can't answer my question, I see. Instead, you babble something that is completely unintelligible.

 

[smallvoice]

Still can't answer my question, I see. Instead, you babble something that is completely unintelligible.

If you haven't figured it out, you aren't worth wasting time answering, because you don't understand the answer. You may leave anytime you want.

 

[Lursa]

Now, you've gotten that off your chest.......let's get back on topic.

Great! Let's do that:

Contraceptives won't work if women won't use them! :shrug:

Yes, the people that are just looking to blame women will say that....it's what they want to believe. Why do you want to believe that of women? Please tell me.

Now I can give you straight numbers...simple math...that unbiased, honest, intelligent people understand:

--birth control methods, even properly and consistently used, are only about 98% effective.

--millions of Americans have sex millions and millions of times a day, every day.

--with the error rate in birth control, this means that there will still be 10's of thousands of accidental pregnancies *every day.*

Now...care to rethink your perceptions based on reality instead of prejudice?​