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We need a two party system again.

Mycroft said:
Oh, for sure...it happens on both sides. But you won't find me doing any such thing. When I accuse a politician of lying, it is because they did, in fact, lie. An example would be the lie that has gotten Obama in so much trouble lately.

But...I can give you an example of another type of lying that politicians do. Here in Colorado we had a guy named Ken Salazar...a Democrat...who ran for the Senate. He ran as a moderate and it got him elected...but as soon as he went to Washington, he dropped his moderate stance and followed the liberal party line. To me...and to a lot of Coloradans...he lied to get elected.

Obama's lies and Salazar's lies are examples of what I mean when I say, "It shouldn't be".
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So you like Robert Jorden too? So do I.
 
James D Hill said:
So tell me. Is the liberal stance COL took on marijuana the reason the rednecks want to leave COL or is it the fact liberals have taken over the state. I remember when I stayed with my aunt in Bolder in 1980 the state was very conservative. Almost like Oklahoma with a libertarian bent. Now because of people moving there and the Hispanic vote COL is now a blue state. Thank God they have seen the light and those poor social conservatives want to leave.
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Yeah...I can see you really don't know a lot about Colorado, but that's not surprising since all you know about it is from living in Boulder.

1. The marijuana issue: This hasn't really been a right vs left issue. Amendment 64 passed handily which means it got supported by a LOT of conservatives...including me.

2. Conservative or liberal: Colorado does lean a bit liberal nowadays, but I wouldn't call it a "blue state". Heck, the gun control recalls point to that. And, believe me, conservatives aren't leaving the State.

The Democrats control our Legislature and we have a very moderate Democrat in the Governor's Mansion, but I wouldn't be surprised if these things shift come the next election. The Democrat Legislators kind of made the same mistake Pelosi and Reid made back in 2009 and we know what kind of shellacking THEY got.
 
Mycroft said:
Yeah...I can see you really don't know a lot about Colorado, but that's not surprising since all you know about it is from living in Boulder.

1. The marijuana issue: This hasn't really been a right vs left issue. Amendment 64 passed handily which means it got supported by a LOT of conservatives...including me.

2. Conservative or liberal: Colorado does lean a bit liberal nowadays, but I wouldn't call it a "blue state". Heck, the gun control recalls point to that. And, believe me, conservatives aren't leaving the State.

The Democrats control our Legislature and we have a very moderate Democrat in the Governor's Mansion, but I wouldn't be surprised if these things shift come the next election. The Democrat Legislators kind of made the same mistake Pelosi and Reid made back in 2009 and we know what kind of shellacking THEY got.
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I have spent some time in Denver too but not in a long time. I do know the Jesus freaks are pissed off big time. It has been all over the news. I think it is becuse they have lost alot of power over the years.
 
James D Hill said:
I have spent some time in Denver too but not in a long time. I do know the Jesus freaks are pissed off big time. It has been all over the news. I think it is becuse they have lost alot of power over the years.
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Really? The Jesus freaks are pissed off?

You got a link to support that notion?

(I keep asking you for links...you never come through with them...do you ever wonder why people don't take you seriously?)
 
James D Hill said:
So tell me. Is the liberal stance COL took on marijuana the reason the rednecks want to leave COL or is it the fact liberals have taken over the state. I remember when I stayed with my aunt in Bolder in 1980 the state was very conservative. Almost like Oklahoma with a libertarian bent. Now because of people moving there and the Hispanic vote COL is now a blue state. Thank God they have seen the light and those poor social conservatives want to leave.
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Ha the light? If that's the light than maybe the fact that they kill unborn children just after conception is their closet. you know the ones with all of the skeletons (bad baby murderors joke)
 
JJB3333 said:
Ha the light? If that's the light than maybe the fact that they kill unborn children just after conception is their closet. you know the ones with all of the skeletons (bad baby murderors joke)
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Abortion should be legal but rare.
 
James D Hill said:
So the GOP has shot itself in the foot again.
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Yep, that whole Fascist Care fiasco, with Bush openly lying about "If you like your plan."

OH WAIT....

ROFL

The leftists are in full meltdown..


To think they are the party of gunslingers. How can we have check's and balence when one of our parties have lost its ability to govern?
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The dems?

They never had the ability to govern in the first place.

The democratic party was formed by Andrew Jackson on the Trail of Tears, and now with Obama's Fascist Care, has come full circle to creating a trail of tears for all formerly insured Americans.

Don't get me wrong I do think it is funny to see the GOP handed its head on a regular basis because they have swung so far to the right but the fact they can't govern anymore is not funny at all in fact it is bad for the country.
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Yep, the way the dems swept the House in 10 and 12 was pretty startling...

:shock:

This is a two party system because both liberals and conservatives have things they good at and bad at. Conservatives keep liberals from hurting business and liberals keep conservatives from hurting the poor. This country is better off with both parties working together instead of at each others neck all the time. Right now with the GOP letting the racist,religous fanatic,poor hating and down right mean spirited freaks run the show they can no longer be trusted to govern.
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So, a two party system of both Bolsheviks and Menshoviks would be good with you?

Now maybe the level heads in the GOP will reclaim power and we can have a two party system again and end this endless fighting that does not allow anyone to govern. The President won the election. The people spoke and the right wing lost again except for redneck states. This will continue until the right comes bact to Earth and moderates. You can not win states like Ill,NY,Cal,Mass or even swing states with the far right in control. It is time to change or go the way of the Whig's GOP.
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The "level heads" that gave us John McCain?

ROFL

The leftists are melting down with fear - as well you should.
 
James D Hill said:
Abortion should be legal but rare.
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Legal for their own choice. and giving up for adoption suggested. I've seen a few threads that have suggested that the women should have their kids killed without their consent because the government believed they would be bad parents. rare should be changed to extremely rare.
 
James D Hill said:
So the GOP has shot itself in the foot again. To think they are the party of gunslingers. How can we have check's and balence when one of our parties have lost its ability to govern? Don't get me wrong I do think it is funny to see the GOP handed its head on a regular basis because they have swung so far to the right but the fact they can't govern anymore is not funny at all in fact it is bad for the country.

This is a two party system because both liberals and conservatives have things they good at and bad at. Conservatives keep liberals from hurting business and liberals keep conservatives from hurting the poor. This country is better off with both parties working together instead of at each others neck all the time. Right now with the GOP letting the racist,religous fanatic,poor hating and down right mean spirited freaks run the show they can no longer be trusted to govern.

Now maybe the level heads in the GOP will reclaim power and we can have a two party system again and end this endless fighting that does not allow anyone to govern. The President won the election. The people spoke and the right wing lost again except for redneck states. This will continue until the right comes bact to Earth and moderates. You can not win states like Ill,NY,Cal,Mass or even swing states with the far right in control. It is time to change or go the way of the Whig's GOP.
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The two-party duopoly of corporate owned and operated politicians is what has brought America to the brink of disaster in the first place.

America needs more choices than just tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum.
 
sawdust said:
When I read the title of the thread I thought I was going to like the topic. Alas, I don't. Nothing is better in the political process than gridlock. We don't need two parties that compromise their values to reach some deal that pleases nobody. What need is politicians that take a stand which represents the people who elected them. Too many politicians go to Washington and are seduced by the power and money and become squishy like McCain and Graham. What we need is bare knuckle brawls where two ideologies clash and the only winner is the people, not the party or those who buy their influence.

Gridlock is our friend.
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Agree to this a thousand times over. Ultimately they are kinda acting the same anyway and the more we can steer it towards having more voices involved the better. A friend sent me this the other day and I thought it was a nice concept: We the People | Indiegogo
 
BlackAsCoal said:
The two-party duopoly of corporate owned and operated politicians is what has brought America to the brink of disaster in the first place.

America needs more choices than just tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum.
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Right, because it's corporations who have armies of men with guns and make laws to favor themselves...

I always worry about the CRS (corporate revenue service) targeting their opposition and hazing them, sending CBI (corporate bureau of investigation) agents to arrest or kill enemies of the company. And that CSA (corporate security agency) tapping all our phones to identify dissenters...

You leftists sure are smart....
 
Uncensored2008 said:
They make hundreds of billions. What did you think the point was?
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MOthers who got knocked up who dident want kids/more. Rape victums who dident want to be reminded over and over again they were raped when they looked in the kids eyes. Stem cell reasurch. Those are to ones off the top of my head.
 
JJB3333 said:
ha wonder how they're going to make a proffit from abortion
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Don't know for sure if they do make a profit, but they sure do get a lot of money from taxpayers.
 
fmw said:
If it were any easier to pass laws, all laws would be pork. Gridlock is critical to making legislation hard. If a proposed laws appeals to both sides, then it is likely a good law. If not, then it is probably not a good law. Gridlock reaveals that. But I think we would be better off with a no party system.
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You probably think we would be better off with NO Govt. so how much value does your opinion have?
Governing requires working together and compromise which is now a dirty word at the GOP.
 
iguanaman said:
You probably think we would be better off with NO Govt. so how much value does your opinion have?
Governing requires working together and compromise which is now a dirty word at the GOP.
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When are you going to hold "your" President responsible for the lies and distortions? suggest you have a little higher standard than apparently you have

How many lies can one president tell and still retain any credibility? What you are about to read is absolutely astounding. It is a long list of important promises that Barack Obama has broken since he has been president. The following is a list of 23 famous Obama quotes that turned out to be broken promises or cold-hearted lies…

#1 “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

#2 “My administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government.”

#3 “We agree on reforms that will finally reduce the costs of health care. Families will save on their premiums…”

#4 “I don’t want to pit Red America against Blue America. I want to be the president
of the United States of America.”

#5 “We’ve got shovel-ready projects all across the country that governors and mayors are pleading to fund. And the minute we can get those investments to the state level, jobs are going to be created.”

#6 “And we will pursue the housing plan I’m outlining today. And through this plan, we will help between 7 and 9 million families restructure or refinance their mortgages so they can afford—avoid foreclosure.”

#7 “I will sign a universal health-care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”

#8 “We reject the use of national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime.”

#9 “For people with insurance, the only impact of the health-care law is that their insurance is stronger, better, and more secure than it was before. Full stop. That’s it. They don’t have to worry about anything else.”

#10 “We will close the detention camp in Guantanamo Bay, the location of so many of the worst constitutional abuses in recent years.”

#11 “Allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S.”

#12 “We will revisit the Patriot Act and overturn unconstitutional executive decisions issued during the past eight years.”

#13 “Will ensure that federal contracts over $25,000 are competitively bid.”

#14 “We reject sweeping claims of ‘inherent’ presidential power.”

#15 “Will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This will eliminate taxes for 7 million seniors — saving them an average of $1,400 a year– and will also mean that 27 million seniors will not need to file an income tax return at all.”

#16 “We support constitutional protections and judicial oversight on any surveillance program involving Americans.”

#17 “If we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home, we will end this war. You can take that to the bank.”

#18 “Will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.”

#19 “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

#20 “We have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division and conflict and cynicism…. That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, ‘Not this time….’”

#21 “We’ve got to spend some money now to pull us out of this recession. But as soon as we’re out of this recession, we’ve got to get serious about starting to live within our means, instead of leaving debt for our children and our grandchildren and our great-grandchildren.”

#22 “[T]oday I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office. This will not be easy. It will require us to make difficult decisions and face challenges we’ve long neglected. But I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay – and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.”

#23 “I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear that I will execute the office of president of the United States faithfully, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States.
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A List Of 23 Famous Obama Quotes That Turned Out To Be Broken Promises Or Cold-Hearted Lies : Freedom Outpost
 
fmw said:
If it were any easier to pass laws, all laws would be pork. Gridlock is critical to making legislation hard. If a proposed laws appeals to both sides, then it is likely a good law. If not, then it is probably not a good law. Gridlock reaveals that. But I think we would be better off with a no party system.
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Rather than a no-party system any thoughts on a multi-party system?
Seems as if the Dems and Repubs have battled to a stalemate and neither is willing to come out of their corner.
 
Upon receiving of a U.S. citizenship in 2000, my wife and I without prior agreement registered in the Republican Party. Why, the answer is easy.
The Republican Party is the party of the people who have kept the country together, freed blacks from the shameful slavery and defined way the industrial development of the state, which soon became the Great.
The fact, that the Democrats have done, it's always sweet rhetoric despite the fact that they never even going to fulfill their promises. Now even worse. The Democratic Party has become a Socialist, with Maoist ideas. Again, heavily sweetened with unfulfilled promises.
Two questions:
1. How can a person with sound and a healthy mind participate in a party of Democrats, if he is not evil enemy of the country?
2. Why do we need the Democrat Party, if it wants to destroy our country?
 
JJB3333 said:
MOthers who got knocked up who dident want kids/more. Rape victums who dident want to be reminded over and over again they were raped when they looked in the kids eyes. Stem cell reasurch. Those are to ones off the top of my head.
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hic...

Abortion as a form of birth control is an idea that only the left can embrace.
 
uncleray said:
Rather than a no-party system any thoughts on a multi-party system?
Seems as if the Dems and Repubs have battled to a stalemate and neither is willing to come out of their corner.
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I think that is the second best choice to a no party system. The problem with political parties is that they are political. They aren't the business of making life better for Americans. They are in the business of acquiring and maintaining political power. What that means in a nutshell is that they are corrupt. Haveing a lot of parties doesn't make them less corrupt but at least it stands a chance of making them less powerful.
 
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