Should transwomen be legally treated as women?[W:165,1392]

[Bodi]

I would hope they would act like "MEN" rather than the animals you seem to indicate they are. However...those who want to be women probably have less inclination to hit on women in the first place...I would be more worried about a trans woman wanting to play with mine.

You honestly have never seen or heard men cat calling women? Whistling at them? Saying how nice their breasts and asses are to them? Seriously?

 

[phattonez]

Never EVER happen... the almost universal front of parents understand how kids are and would never let this happen and this is on a global scale.

NOBODY will EVER agree with NAMBLA or any of their sick and perverse crap regardless of how they attempt to present it... so the point is this:

Stop with this idiotic line of reasoning...

Don't be so sure. They've already encouraged this:

 

[Bodi]

Don't be so sure. They've already encouraged this:

Not gonna happen no matter that they get a couple of kids to pose for a picture.

Don't post kid -like porn **** like that ever ****ing again either...

 

[tecoyah]

You honestly have never seen or heard men cat calling women? Whistling at them? Saying how nice their breasts and asses are to them? Seriously?

Hell...I have done so myself. Thing is I have had women do it to me as well....does this mean trans men are at risk of rape when they use a public restroom?

 

[phattonez]

Not gonna happen no matter that they get a couple of kids to pose for a picture.

Don't post kid -like porn **** like that ever ****ing again either...

Hey that's the propaganda that they're putting out there. But please keep trying to convince me that children will not be affected.

 

[Bodi]

Hey that's the propaganda that they're putting out there. But please keep trying to convince me that children will not be affected.

I didn't say that some kids are not affected I said that it will never be legal. What the ****! :roll:

 

[Absentglare]

That's not how I read your description of the study, nor do I think you have provided a link. Either way, the rest of the body does not conform, thus this ought to call into question whether we should be giving out hormones to the gender dysphoric.

Homosexuality and Biology

Scroll down to the section titled "Anatomy lessons"

The idea of whether or not we should be giving out hormones should be decided by current medical professionals rather than historical account.

Sociobiologists "concluded" a hundred years ago that the organs for child rearing made women's bodies significantly less capable of withstanding the stress of going to college. Turned out, they forgot to add a control group of male students for comparison. In general, the newer science is an improvement over the old. The brain is an organ, and the development of a female brain in a male anatomy may very well be something we can and should handle better as a society.

 

[Absentglare]

Hell...I have done so myself. Thing is I have had women do it to me as well....does this mean trans men are at risk of rape when they use a public restroom?

I think it's fair to have some privacy concerns. I don't have an easy answer. I think that, if the only worry is seeing a naked human body, i don't think it's a big deal.

I don't think they force children to get nude, or to look at one another's nude body, so i don't see justification for some intense fear.

 

[phattonez]

I didn't say that some kids are not affected I said that it will never be legal. What the ****! :roll:

So I should think nothing of that propaganda?

 

[Bodi]

So I should think nothing of that propaganda?

That has nothing to do wtih my argument...

 

[phattonez]

That has nothing to do wtih my argument...

You're assuring me that this won't spread to pedophilia. I've now shown propaganda including children and an article sympathetic to pedophiles. What conclusions should I draw from that?

 

[Bodi]

You're assuring me that this won't spread to pedophilia. I've now shown propaganda including children and an article sympathetic to pedophiles. What conclusions should I draw from that?

I am about done with this stupidity... my argument was that pedophilia is not analogous to homosexuality and that pedophilia will never become legally accepted.

 

[phattonez]

I am about done with this stupidity... my argument was that pedophilia is not analogous to homosexuality and that pedophilia will never become legally accepted.

Yes, but what are you basing that on?

 

[Bodi]

Yes, but what are you basing that on?

Common sense... you think that average parents are going to condone it? You don't think that parents want their little children ****ed by grown men... do you?

You aren't literally crazy... are you?

 

[phattonez]

Common sense... you think that average parents are going to condone it? You don't think that parents want their little children ****ed by grown men... do you?

You aren't literally crazy... are you?

Parents are apparently fine with their children being sexualized at a very young age in Canada already.

Ontario’s new sex ed curriculum will teach consent in Grade 2 - Toronto | Globalnews.ca

They are teaching consent in the 2nd grade! Luckily there are protests, but that's not universal.

 

[Bodi]

Parents are apparently fine with their children being sexualized at a very young age in Canada already.

Ontario’s new sex ed curriculum will teach consent in Grade 2 - Toronto | Globalnews.ca

They are teaching consent in the 2nd grade! Luckily there are protests, but that's not universal.

They are not teaching that the age of consent should be 2nd grade for God's sake... read the article.

 

[Helix]

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[BmanMcfly]

Edit :

Did not notice the mod box, and better to delete...

It's just easier to stay in denial of the implications of the lgbt agenda.

 

[Absentglare]

Edit :

Did not notice the mod box, and better to delete...

It's just easier to stay in denial of the implications of the lgbt agenda.

That's reasonable enough.

I suppose i think the law should already be treating men and women basically the same already. So i don't see a big deal with letting people change low-importance labels.

Beyond that, some basic human respect and understanding would be nice. Certainly, it shouldn't be forced- if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

 

[BmanMcfly]

That's reasonable enough.

I suppose i think the law should already be treating men and women basically the same already. So i don't see a big deal with letting people change low-importance labels.

Beyond that, some basic human respect and understanding would be nice. Certainly, it shouldn't be forced- if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

It's one of those I don't really care... I'd say post op, they are going to At least be on the appropriate hormones, should be treated as women (or men) even though they are just a surgically created facsimile.

Pre-op... Sorry, but you are still your birth gender... No matter how much you try to claim otherwise.

Edit: except where it comes to sports... Even though a trans-woman will lose much of the physical advantage of a man, there are aspects that do not change:
- focus; men have better focus where women have greater peripheral vision
- reaction time; men have a 0.05 second average reaction time advantage over the female average
- men have greater bone density and mass

There is the case of the trans woman who was in mixed martial arts fights against women, and it was only after the third victory that the trans woman admitted to formerly being a man. That situation is mostly wrong because of the dishonesty...

I'm respectful, but there's gotta be some discernment as to what they are (gender-wise).

 

[Bodi]

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[Enola]

Well, what do you think?

I voted yes. But there is a condition. They have to be completely transformed in to woman. Not still have the man parts, if you get my drift. And even if they have not reached that stage yet, if they are dressing/acting/being woman 24/7/365 while waiting for the surgery, then it is still yes.

 

[Absentglare]

It's one of those I don't really care... I'd say post op, they are going to At least be on the appropriate hormones, should be treated as women (or men) even though they are just a surgically created facsimile.

Pre-op... Sorry, but you are still your birth gender... No matter how much you try to claim otherwise.

Edit: except where it comes to sports... Even though a trans-woman will lose much of the physical advantage of a man, there are aspects that do not change:
- focus; men have better focus where women have greater peripheral vision
- reaction time; men have a 0.05 second average reaction time advantage over the female average
- men have greater bone density and mass

There is the case of the trans woman who was in mixed martial arts fights against women, and it was only after the third victory that the trans woman admitted to formerly being a man. That situation is mostly wrong because of the dishonesty...

I'm respectful, but there's gotta be some discernment as to what they are (gender-wise).

Sounds perfectly reasonable.

Certainly, in competition sports, they will need to address this at some point.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Sounds perfectly reasonable.

Certainly, in competition sports, they will need to address this at some point.

In the Olympics, they do, there has been gender testing since, if memory serves, the early 90's, the Olympics after the one where those Russian women in the running races had made all those records, most of which have yet to be beaten by women some 30 years later. (Though that's more easily explained through steroid use that was not detected)

 

[The Mark]

I suppose the thread has strayed a bit off course.

Personally I'm not even sure what combination of mental and physical states "transwoman" refers to.
There's so many labels and terms floating around and between "woman" and "man"...