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Our Republic Is Under Attack From the President

Your point being?

The testimony is not public knowledge. The questions are not public knowledge. This should be the most public thing Congress does.

Don't forget, the Republicans are also required to keep the proceeding secret. Unlike Schiff, who leaks like a stuck pig.
 
OK, so you ignored my comment. It's what I expected.

McRaven praised John Brennan in his oped. That destroys any credibility he might have had.
 
An unlawful seizure of government control.
Is it only unlawful? Come on, you know there are more words in that definition.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.
 
Maybe they want both, the wait and the impeachment. Anyway, Schiff said he would release transcripts of the meetings so you can check that off the gripe list. That oughta keep everyone busy for awhile or at least until they can finish the inquiry.
They want a pony for Christmas and a win in 2020. I expect neither will be satisfied. A World Series win in DC is looking possible though.
 
They want a pony for Christmas and a win in 2020. I expect neither will be satisfied. A World Series win in DC is looking possible though.

Only time will tell.
 
Only time will tell.
Ten days, maybe two weeks. I'm excited.

I was a boy when the Expos were formed, a long time ago. The other Washington team is now here in Texas. At least they went to the World Series a couple of times.
 
McRaven is calling for a coup when he said Trump should be "removed". Any member of the service that would make the comment he made, after swearing an oath to support and defend The Constitution, is a piece of ****.

That you even suggest a man of Honor like McRaven four star admiral who served his country admirably led the charge against Ben ladin would be calling for a coup is beyond the pale and an affront to All Veterans everywhere and that would include myself.

There's absolutely no question a man of his stature when using the word remove one should assume he means by legal and moral means which the Constitution accommodates with impeachment protocols. It is rare for former military brass to criticize any president of the United States and it's a testament to the extraordinary damage to America this President is causing that he was prompted to write such an article. Did any other president cause any Admiral or general of his stature to write anything about removing a sitting president?

FYI, recommending the removal of a president who is a threat to National Security takes courage for any person who holds a leadership position currently or formally. Donald Trump is a Despicable small-minded petty incompetent buffoon wholly unworthy of the office of president of the United States and it's high time people on the right to accept this and admit they had made a mistake by backing his presidency.

Your comment is pathetic
 
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That you even suggest a man of Honor like McRaven four star admiral who served his country admirably led the charge against Ben ladin would be calling for a coup is beyond the pale and an affront to All Veterans everywhere and that would include myself.

There's absolutely no question a man of his stature when using the word remove one should assume he means by legal and moral means which the Constitution accommodates with impeachment protocols. It is rare for former military brass to criticize any president of the United States and it's a testament to the extraordinary damage to America this President is causing that he was prompted to write such an article. Did any other president cause any Admiral or general of his stature to write anything about removing a sitting president?

FYI, recommending the removal of a president who is a threat to National Security takes courage for any person who holds a leadership position currently or formally. Donald Trump is a Despicable small-minded petty incompetent buffoon wholly unworthy of the office of president of the United States and it's high time people on the right to accept this and admit they had made a mistake by backing his presidency.

Your comment is pathetic

A man of honor would show more respect to the president than McRaven is doing. **** him. He's a disgrace to the uniform. In addition that disgraceful behavior, he also praised John Brennan as a great American hero. **** him. He's a partisan piece of ****.

I don't have to admit to god damn thing and there's nothing you're going to do to make me.
 
A man of honor would show more respect to the president than McRaven is doing. **** him. He's a disgrace to the uniform. In addition that disgraceful behavior, he also praised John Brennan as a great American hero. **** him. He's a partisan piece of ****.

I don't have to admit to god damn thing and there's nothing you're going to do to make me.

A man of honor would show a president of honor the same.

Trump is not worthy of the office, he's unfit and poses an existential threat to the nation. Did you read the Op ed?

I didn't think so

McRaven's Op Ed was professional and appropriate.

Your comments are clueless.
 
A man of honor would show a president of honor the same.

Trump is not worthy of the office, he's unfit and poses an existential threat to the nation. Did you read the Op ed?

I didn't think so

McRaven's Op Ed was professional and appropriate.

Your comments are clueless.

Trump was duly elected. He is the president. McRaven is an unprofessional piece of ****. He called a communist a great American hero. The same communist that lied to Congress.

And do you even know what "existential threat" means? That's the most idiotic catch phrase you people have ever come up with...lol

McRaven came up with that while Obama's **** was in the back of his throat.
 
It's entertaining and disturbing to watch the far right flail and accuse everyone who disagrees with their Dear Leader as being a radical leftist, socialist/marxist traitor; meanwhile, even the political centrists and moderates are becoming alienated from the right wing. You people don't see how mouth-foamy you're starting to sound as you support utterly insane policy making that is actively working to destroy the fabric of our nation.

The military has never particularly cared about whether we have a war hawk President or not. They'll carry out the agenda of the leader du jour. What burns the military, and what angers them now, is the flippant betrayal of our commitments we have made in good faith with other nations and our allies. Trump has walked away from treaties merely because they were constructed during Democratic administrations without any regard for honoring the consistency of rule of the United States. The situation with the Kurds is a perfect example. We legally owe them nothing, but they have been faithful allies in almost every theater in the Middle East. Now we are ditching them with their backs to the wall, and Dear Leader is trying to convince us that, "well, the Kurds aren't perfect people, so why should we care?"

I mean, how hard is it to simply fess up and say, "Yes, the situation is horrible. We feel badly for our Kurdish allies, but the United States must put its interests first." That would be honest, at least. Instead, he is so narcissistic that he will smear the Kurds as a people in order to preserve his image.

Zero loyalty. Zero respect. Zero honor. All things the military highly values.

By all rational analytical measure, our political system is currently threatened by the right wing. All the watch dogs are saying it, as are the humanitarian groups and moderate think tanks. The problem isn't serious yet because our protective branches of government are still sufficiently functional to quell true fascism, but we are tilting more toward the fascist side of the spectrum than we have in a long time.

We need to reform and snuff out the radical right wing element ASAP. Trump needs to go, the filibuster needs to be done away with, and Presidential powers need to be scaled back to pre-Bush era authorities. Rules need to be introduced to stop Congressional obstruction. These are basic things we need to do ASAP before the pendulum shifts more to the right and the in-fighting increases.

Me personally, I think it's too late... but we'll see how it plays out. In our nation's history there have been many dire moments that looked bad and we pulled through. Maybe we can do that this time, too.
 
It's entertaining and disturbing to watch the far right flail and accuse everyone who disagrees with their Dear Leader as being a radical leftist, socialist/marxist traitor; meanwhile, even the political centrists and moderates are becoming alienated from the right wing. You people don't see how mouth-foamy you're starting to sound as you support utterly insane policy making that is actively working to destroy the fabric of our nation.

The military has never particularly cared about whether we have a war hawk President or not. They'll carry out the agenda of the leader du jour. What burns the military, and what angers them now, is the flippant betrayal of our commitments we have made in good faith with other nations and our allies. Trump has walked away from treaties merely because they were constructed during Democratic administrations without any regard for honoring the consistency of rule of the United States. The situation with the Kurds is a perfect example. We legally owe them nothing, but they have been faithful allies in almost every theater in the Middle East. Now we are ditching them with their backs to the wall, and Dear Leader is trying to convince us that, "well, the Kurds aren't perfect people, so why should we care?"

I mean, how hard is it to simply fess up and say, "Yes, the situation is horrible. We feel badly for our Kurdish allies, but the United States must put its interests first." That would be honest, at least. Instead, he is so narcissistic that he will smear the Kurds as a people in order to preserve his image.

Zero loyalty. Zero respect. Zero honor. All things the military highly values.

By all rational analytical measure, our political system is currently threatened by the right wing. All the watch dogs are saying it, as are the humanitarian groups and moderate think tanks. The problem isn't serious yet because our protective branches of government are still sufficiently functional to quell true fascism, but we are tilting more toward the fascist side of the spectrum than we have in a long time.

We need to reform and snuff out the radical right wing element ASAP. Trump needs to go, the filibuster needs to be done away with, and Presidential powers need to be scaled back to pre-Bush era authorities. Rules need to be introduced to stop Congressional obstruction. These are basic things we need to do ASAP before the pendulum shifts more to the right and the in-fighting increases.

Me personally, I think it's too late... but we'll see how it plays out. In our nation's history there have been many dire moments that looked bad and we pulled through. Maybe we can do that this time, too.

"Snuff out he radical right wing element ASAP", eh? And you're worried about fascism....
 
A man of honor would show more respect to the president than McRaven is doing. **** him. He's a disgrace to the uniform. In addition that disgraceful behavior, he also praised John Brennan as a great American hero. **** him. He's a partisan piece of ****.

I don't have to admit to god damn thing and there's nothing you're going to do to make me.
The military swear allegiance to the constitution not to the president and they are duty-bound to ignore illegal orders. As such, they are also duty-bound to let the rest of us know when they recognize that the nation is being debauched by a reckless president.
 
"COUP"

You keep using that word. But I do not think it means what you think it means


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Are you even able to define the word?


Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'
 
A man of honor would show more respect to the president than McRaven is doing.

He should be showing more respect for Trump, the guy who publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK, and scams money from children with cancer?

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

How Donald Trump Shifted Kids-Cancer Charity Money Into His Business - Forbes


Maybe in Stormfront land that's true, where "protecting the white race from dilution" is most important, but not for decent people.
 
He should be showing more respect for Trump, the guy who publicly defended Neo Nazis and the KKK?

Maybe in Stormfront land that's true, but not for decent Americans.

You're lying. That never happened.

However, McRaven publically praised a communist, who lied to Congress. You call yourself a decent American and go along with that?
 
The military swear allegiance to the constitution not to the president and they are duty-bound to ignore illegal orders. As such, they are also duty-bound to let the rest of us know when they recognize that the nation is being debauched by a reckless president.

They take an oath (not swear allegiance) to follow the orders of the president. The president is the commander in chief and as such rates the respect due that position. McRaven knows this, but he put politics ahead of his duty and honor. He's a walking, talking piece of ****.
 
They take an oath (not swear allegiance) to follow the orders of the president. The president is the commander in chief and as such rates the respect due that position. McRaven knows this, but he put politics ahead of his duty and honor. He's a walking, talking piece of ****.

I don't believe the Chancellor of the University of Texas has to follow the orders of the President.

William H. McRaven - Wikipedia

(OK, he isn't currently the chancellor, but that was his last job. He is not an active general.)

I don't know about you, but I bet there are plenty people on this thread that wonder why you continue to dismiss expert opinion (in this case, McCraven) that have consistently questioned the competency of this President, in favor of your own lay opinion. Seems like you should listen to what they have to say. As general's are not typically political, prehaps McCraven put America first?

You're lying. That never happened.

However, McRaven publically praised a communist, who lied to Congress. You call yourself a decent American and go along with that?

I fact-checked your statement that McRaven praised a communist. I find no such reference. Explain yourself.
 
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I encourage every member of this forum to call their Congressperson and demand the impeachment of Trump! Get it done, so the Senate can begin his trial.

You'll NEVER get the Dims to go on record supporting impeachment. Otherwise, we would be doing it. Trump is merely undoing all the Obama crap of his eight years of ignorant diplomacy.
 
I don't believe the Chancellor of the University of Texas has to follow the orders of the President.

William H. McRaven - Wikipedia

(OK, he isn't currently the chancellor, but that was his last job. He is not an active general.)

I don't know about you, but I bet there are plenty people on this thread that wonder why you continue to dismiss expert opinion (in this case, McCraven) that have consistently questioned the competency of this President, in favor of your own lay opinion. Seems like you should listen to what they have to say. As general's are not typically political, prehaps McCraven put America first?



I fact-checked your statement that McRaven praised a communist. I find no such reference. Explain yourself.

Well then, he doesn't have a "duty" to protect the country, either.

I fact-checked your statement that McRaven praised a communist. I find no such reference. Explain yourself

Retired US Navy admiral William McRaven praises John Brennan, says he won't be scared into silence by Donald Trump - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
 
............. McRaven knows this, but he put politics ahead of his duty and honor. He's a walking, talking piece of ****.

You have it backwards. He put duty and honor ahead of poilitics. He oversaw the raid that took out Osama bin Laden, and now he's continuing that highest duty by pointing out a threat that just might be even greater than bin Laden, Donald Trump. And that's the truth of it.
 
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