Youngest Migrants Held in 'Tender Age' Shelters

[rockabillylaker]

And? Why does that matter...after all we are discussing children....citizenship is irrelevant

uhh...no. It IS relevant considering this thread is about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. So again, what the hell do they have to do with this? You hate Trump so much you go after his kids?

 

[ClaraD]

uhh...no. It IS relevant considering this thread is about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. So again, what the hell do they have to do with this? You hate Trump so much you go after his kids?

Unaccompanied minors arent illegal immigrants under law..and the thread is about them, not illegal immigration

 

[Gina]

You seem to be forgetting that entering the country illegally is a chargeable offense.

One that the people committing, should damn well know could have their children taken away from them for a set period of time. Though this faux outrage is only going to go for one side it seams. There is no problem with being more hardline with criminals, so long as they keep breaking the law. Which is what is going on.

It sucks, I know and I do feel for these children. However I am not the one who just waltzes over the boarder in an attempt to enter the country illegally, gets caught and has my child taken from me, because I suck as a rational human being.

If they are asylum seekers, then fine. So long as they are actually here seeking asylum and they can prove that same aspect as well. Because even trying to declare such a status bogs down the process even worse and can lead to more time away from your child. Which the problem is still on them if they aren't really asylum seekers and are trying to botch the system. The child will suffer for longer because of them once again.

The kid gloves weren't going to stay on forever and now that they are coming off. Idiots are going to keep getting bitchy about it.

Yes, it is a chargeable offense and with Sessions' and Trump's Zero-Tolerance policy, every single person will now be charged, causing their children to be taken from them. Unlike under the last two presidents. Seeking asylum is not a crime and now it is being treated as such.

If you felt for the children, you would be demanding an end to this policy. As I posted in the OP, being taken from their parents and kept as they are is damaging to the development of their brains. The American Academy of Pediatrics has described it as child abuse. If you truly felt for them, you would not tolerate the policy and demand, as I have done repeatedly, that this immoral policy be ended and the children returned to their parents. The EO today, does nothing to address the 2500 children who are now in our custody, separated from their parents.

They will have trouble trying to claim asylum once they are charge with the crime of crossing illegally into the U.S.

Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

The gloves are off and the kids are being harmed. Irreparably. In our country.

 

[Oborosen]

Yes, it is a chargeable offense and with Sessions' and Trump's Zero-Tolerance policy, every single person will now be charged, causing their children to be taken from them. Unlike under the last two presidents. Seeking asylum is not a crime and now it is being treated as such.

If you felt for the children, you would be demanding an end to this policy. As I posted in the OP, being taken from their parents and kept as they are is damaging to the development of their brains. The American Academy of Pediatrics has described it as child abuse. If you truly felt for them, you would not tolerate the policy and demand, as I have done repeatedly, that this immoral policy be ended and the children returned to their parents. The EO today, does nothing to address the 2500 children who are now in our custody, separated from their parents.

They will have trouble trying to claim asylum once they are charge with the crime of crossing illegally into the U.S.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

The gloves are off and the kids are being harmed. Irreparably. In our country.

Children have been getting harmed in this country for years and only now do people on the left really care about it, only that its children caught in this crime. I have no problem in having sympathy for these children, who's own parents would put them in that kind of situation. But when its faux outrage over something that has also been affecting children in this country for over a decade.

That is a notion that sickens me more. Damned be the parents on both ends that put their children through that.

Illegal immigration has been a growing issue and now that this policy is drawing attention to said issue, but for the wrong reasons. It is a very infuriating thing to watch as people wave around this selective rage and preach some sort of morality that they already forfeited beforehand.

Don't break the law and you won't lose your kids.
If you apply for refugee status, you better damn well be deserving of it, because if not. You are churning down the process and making it far worse for people who should actually have it.

I will not preach from a illusionary, moral high ground about how inhumane this policy is. When thousands of children American have suffered this same problem.

But **** them, their not immigrants. Am I right?
I would love it, if they could have an easier way into the country. I would love it if these people didn't come from such a horrible place to begin with. I would love it if these children didn't have to be separated from their parents.

This policy is reactionary to what has been going on. Had so many people not tried to illegally get across into the united states, this would not be an issue as of now, but it is and they are just as responsible for this choice. As both Trump and Sessions is.

Deal with it.

 

[trouble13]

How have I been dishonest? My nephew is 18 months old, his mother poresented at one of the bridges in Brownsville and they wont tell us where he is. Im a US citizen and his aunt. So, dishonesty is what Trump breathes when he claims he isnt stealing children from asylees

Claiming they are housing people in cages is dishonest.

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[EMNofSeattle]

Please provide credible cites for all your assertions, including that asylum is frivolous and the frequency by which children are entering with persons other than their parents. I'd like to be wrong, but I see a lot of uninformed Fox News talking points in your post.

Then, perhaps you could better explain why you support wholesale child abuse levied on Latin American children, is it because they are Latin American? And, for extra correct, if you profess to be Christian, please reconcile all of this with Christ's commandments in Matthew 25.

The denial rate is about 80%, and our asylum guidelines to not include at risk of a domestic crime in their home country, so any claim on that basis is frivolous by default.

This is a constant liberal trope “explain why you support child abuse” well first off I do not support Child abuse, the act of taking an adult into custody for committing a criminal act and finding living arrangements for a minor who’s not guilty of any crime and releasing them is big child abuse, I also openly said I supported legislation to remedy this in this case but that I also didn’t support ending immigration enforcement simply because of the family issue. The liberal democrats who claim to care about children have not made any effort to end family seperations because what they really want is to allow the entire family to enter the US, the last thing they want is the whole family unit deported together

 

[EMNofSeattle]

yes please stop your intellectual dishonesty but i know you won't.

the kids will be separated in 20 days per a law from 1997. so will i see your outrage against clinton for that?

No kidding, I’m sure “(illegal) immigration advocates” are already preparing the legal challenges to holding children to file using Flores as precedent

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You... really don't know what an asylum request is, do you?

Something that shouldn’t be valid for anyone from any Central American country other then maybe Nicaragua since all of these countries are representative democracies that don’t have roving death squads executing people for political, religious, or racial reasons

 

[j-mac]

The difference is huge. Asylees are not criminals and even murderers get to leave their children with a family member.

HHS has said that when suitable family members, or foster care can be found, these children go there...just like an American citizen.

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[j-mac]

Sorry, this issue is deeply personal to me, Im not amused.

Then take them to your house.

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[EMNofSeattle]

Yes, it is a chargeable offense and with Sessions' and Trump's Zero-Tolerance policy, every single person will now be charged, causing their children to be taken from them. Unlike under the last two presidents. Seeking asylum is not a crime and now it is being treated as such.

If you felt for the children, you would be demanding an end to this policy. As I posted in the OP, being taken from their parents and kept as they are is damaging to the development of their brains. The American Academy of Pediatrics has described it as child abuse. If you truly felt for them, you would not tolerate the policy and demand, as I have done repeatedly, that this immoral policy be ended and the children returned to their parents. The EO today, does nothing to address the 2500 children who are now in our custody, separated from their parents.

They will have trouble trying to claim asylum once they are charge with the crime of crossing illegally into the U.S.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

The gloves are off and the kids are being harmed. Irreparably. In our country.

Child abuse is a legislative topic, the American Academy of pediatrics is not a legal group, attorney group, or legislative group, so their description of this as child abuse is merely opinion and not a heavy weighted one.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

HHS has said that when suitable family members, or foster care can be found, these children go there...just like an American citizen.

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Exactly, we even place the children in the hands of suitable relatives who are themselves here illegally, then if they don’t answer the phone when agents of Gobierno Federale de Estados Unidos call then suddenly they’re missing and evil Donald Trump!

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Children have been getting harmed in this country for years and only now do people on the left really care about it, only that its children caught in this crime. I have no problem in having sympathy for these children, who's own parents would put them in that kind of situation. But when its faux outrage over something that has also been affecting children in this country for over a decade.

That is a notion that sickens me more. Damned be the parents on both ends that put their children through that.

Illegal immigration has been a growing issue and now that this policy is drawing attention to said issue, but for the wrong reasons. It is a very infuriating thing to watch as people wave around this selective rage and preach some sort of morality that they already forfeited beforehand.

Don't break the law and you won't lose your kids.
If you apply for refugee status, you better damn well be deserving of it, because if not. You are churning down the process and making it far worse for people who should actually have it.

I will not preach from a illusionary, moral high ground about how inhumane this policy is. When thousands of children American have suffered this same problem.

But **** them, their not immigrants. Am I right?
I would love it, if they could have an easier way into the country. I would love it if these people didn't come from such a horrible place to begin with. I would love it if these children didn't have to be separated from their parents.

This policy is reactionary to what has been going on. Had so many people not tried to illegally get across into the united states, this would not be an issue as of now, but it is and they are just as responsible for this choice. As both Trump and Sessions is.

Deal with it.

I mean a friend of mine is an attorney who does public defender work representing people who’ve had their children taken away by social services, and WA DHS is so corrupt, they don’t follow the legal process, they take children away on issues of judgement alone and not evidence, they place these children with unsuitable fosters, sometimes even separating siblings, and these people at DSHS are all liberal democrats, all of them. Probably all around the coffee pot right now (5 am Pacific on a weekday) bitching about evil Donald Trump while plotting how to illegally steal children and no one will call them on it because they’re democrats

 

[PoliSciXtina]

How have I been dishonest? My nephew is 18 months old, his mother poresented at one of the bridges in Brownsville and they wont tell us where he is. Im a US citizen and his aunt. So, dishonesty is what Trump breathes when he claims he isnt stealing children from asylees

Oh I’m so sorry you are dealing with this. This is horrific.


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[Oborosen]

I mean a friend of mine is an attorney who does public defender work representing people who’ve had their children taken away by social services, and WA DHS is so corrupt, they don’t follow the legal process, they take children away on issues of judgement alone and not evidence, they place these children with unsuitable fosters, sometimes even separating siblings, and these people at DSHS are all liberal democrats, all of them. Probably all around the coffee pot right now (5 am Pacific on a weekday) bitching about evil Donald Trump while plotting how to illegally steal children and no one will call them on it because they’re democrats

Its a vicious circle isn't it?

I work in a government mandated mental health facility.

So I have seen my fair share of stupidity from this vantage point.

 

[nota bene]

And? Why does that matter...after all we are discussing children....citizenship is irrelevant

No, it's not. This is why, for example, "anchor babies" are an issue. If you're saying that the fact that they're children takes precedence, I can understand that, but whether you like it or not, this is a legal issue, and citizenship is at the heart of it.

 

[MTAtech]

You're argument is with Congress.

Even Obama said so.

Your second sentence is undercut by facts: No, Donald Trump's separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama's policy | PunditFact

I'm curious as to how those here, who had been parroting Trumpian talking points that 'Trump had no power to stop the separation of children and parents; that only Congress can stop it, etc.' feel now that Trump, with a stroke of his pen, did what all of his water-carriers said he couldn't do?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Your second sentence is undercut by facts: No, Donald Trump's separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama's policy | PunditFact

I'm curious as to how those here, who had been parroting Trumpian talking points that 'Trump had no power to stop the separation of children and parents; that only Congress can stop it, etc.' feel now that Trump, with a stroke of his pen, did what all of his water-carriers said he couldn't do?

Well the reality is it remains to be seen what will happen, a judge can end his executive order today


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[MTAtech]

Well the reality is it remains to be seen what will happen, a judge can end his executive order today

You mean a judge can nullify Trump's executive order rolling back his own policy of separating parents from their children that was his own creation? I don't see the legal argument there. If a Prez can make a policy, he/she can end it.
What a judge can decide is the issue of long-term detention of immigrant children, which would clearly violate federal law.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You mean a judge can nullify Trump's executive order rolling back his own policy of separating parents from their children that was his own creation? I don't see the legal argument there. If a Prez can make a policy, he/she can end it.
What a judge can decide is the issue of long-term detention of immigrant children, which would clearly violate federal law.

Which is why there was family seperation in the first place is because the adults were making unmeritorious asylum claims after being arrested for illegal immigration, these issues take longer to sort out the housing a child.

The president never created any policy mandating family seperation. Family seperation has never been policy of the US Government period, it was simply required by the various laws in these specific incidents


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[j-mac]

Yes, it is a chargeable offense and with Sessions' and Trump's Zero-Tolerance policy, every single person will now be charged, causing their children to be taken from them. Unlike under the last two presidents. Seeking asylum is not a crime and now it is being treated as such.

Alright, enough...

The administration has stated explicitly that if these people come to a port of entry to declare their asylum requests, then their family will not be separated. The families that are being separated are those that are trying to break the law and enter illegally.

Their asylum claims are being heard after their illegal entry is adjudicated. Asylum is NOT being treated as a crime as you post, so can we at least have some sense of honesty here please.


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[Parrish]

Which is why there was family seperation in the first place is because the adults were making unmeritorious asylum claims after being arrested for illegal immigration, these issues take longer to sort out the housing a child.

The president never created any policy mandating family seperation. Family seperation has never been policy of the US Government period, it was simply required by the various laws in these specific incidents


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Yes, he did create a policy mandating family separation. It is/was an inhumane policy fully embraced by 45, Kelly, Miller and Sessions .

 

[j-mac]

Your second sentence is undercut by facts: No, Donald Trump's separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama's policy | PunditFact

I'm curious as to how those here, who had been parroting Trumpian talking points that 'Trump had no power to stop the separation of children and parents; that only Congress can stop it, etc.' feel now that Trump, with a stroke of his pen, did what all of his water-carriers said he couldn't do?

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[Parrish]

Alright, enough...

The administration has stated explicitly that if these people come to a port of entry to declare their asylum requests, then their family will not be separated. The families that are being separated are those that are trying to break the law and enter illegally.

Their asylum claims are being heard after their illegal entry is adjudicated. Asylum is NOT being treated as a crime as you post, so can we at least have some sense of honesty here please.


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Before the April 7, those who were charged with illegal entry were able to plead that came seeking asylum were then sent to be interviewed to verify their claim. That has been ended as has their children's right to a lawyer.

 

[ClaraD]

Alright, enough...

The administration has stated explicitly that if these people come to a port of entry to declare their asylum requests, then their family will not be separated. The families that are being separated are those that are trying to break the law and enter illegally.

Btw, them being charged eliminates their ability to file for asylum.

Their asylum claims are being heard after their illegal entry is adjudicated. Asylum is NOT being treated as a crime as you post, so can we at least have some sense of honesty here please.


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So explain why they are taking children at legal points of entry? My personal experience aside...there is a lawsuit for them taking children at legal points of entries from asylees