Youngest Migrants Held in 'Tender Age' Shelters

[apdst]

Oh well then it's ok to do it intentionally as a zero tolerance policy with specific intent to be cruel as a deterrent.

Do you want to do away with child protective services?

 

[Barnacle]

They are all over the news, but here are some:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/immigration-mcallen-border-patrol-photos/index.html

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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...border-children-separating-families/36163999/


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The CBP won't allow the press to take their own pictures, in which they have clearly viewed children locked up behind chain link walls.

And I see nothing wrong with those confinement areas. They have everything they need, except that DHS had neither time nor money to string pretty sheet rock walls.

To me a cage is something small, not 30 foot by 30 foot fence in lieu of sheet rock.

Maybe Schumer needs to give DHS more money to string pretty sheet rock walls with pleasing wall paper.

 

[Deuce]

you realize that some of those photos are probably from 2014 right when you know the obama administration had kids locked up behind chain linked walls?

And that makes it ok? You think Obama doing it makes it better somehow? Why would you think that?

 

[Deuce]

Do you want to do away with child protective services?

These kids aren't being placed in CPS care. They're being put in concentration camps.

 

[Erod]

Social services separates children from bad parents every day. I must have missed the uproar over that.

Parents who would put their children in this situation to begin with aren't really parents. Those children were already victims.

This isn't new. Obama did the same thing, again to no uproar.

And with the executive order, now the children will be in jail with their parents. Oh, great.

Is that what you wanted, liberals? They could have been well taken care of, but you flipped out over "separation", so now the kids get to go to jail with their incredibly responsible parents.

All over fabricated outrage.

 

[Gina]

It has been that way for over 8 years where was the outrage then?

There was outrage in 2014 when enormous numbers of unaccompanied children showed up at the border. The Obama administration was castigated, roundly for a situation they didn't create.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...isis-for-obama-congress-idUSKBN0E814T20140528

Conflating the two events as if Obama had a policy to separate kids as is being done now, is not accurate. At the least.

 

[apdst]

No, I will not. I’m glad the babies will now be with their parents. That’s all we are asking for. Not sure what will happen to all of the children who have already been separated from their parents though. May be too late for them. Heartbreaking.


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Sure you won't!

 

[ludin]

And they are from the period when unaccompanied minors appeared at the border in tremendous numbers. The Obama administration took enormous heat and then steps to end that kind of dentention. Obama did not create the problem, as Sessions and Trump have in order to get his wall.

The children being separated from their parents since Zero Tolerance became policy are not unaccompanied, but become classified as that after their parents are charged with a crime. There are no protocols or procedures to reunite them with their parents at this time.

He absolutely created the problem why do you think they were flooding across the border?
his refusal to support our immigration laws while he was president is one of the biggest issues we have.

He let thousands of people into the US and we have no idea where they are at or who they even are.

PS we separate kids from their families all the time. please spare us the faux outrage.

 

[apdst]

These kids aren't being placed in CPS care. They're being put in concentration camps.

These kids aren't being held in "concentration camps" either...lol

 

[ludin]

There was outrage in 2014 when enormous numbers of unaccompanied children showed up at the border. The Obama administration was castigated, roundly for a situation they didn't create.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...isis-for-obama-congress-idUSKBN0E814T20140528

Conflating the two events as if Obama had a policy to separate kids as is being done now, is not accurate. At the least.

actually it is accurate because obama separated families as well. more so if the person was an criminal for different charges other than crossing.
there simply were not as many but they were still done.

here in america we separate kids from their families constantly.
it costs them thousands of dollars and years to get their kids back sometimes.

 

[ludin]

Social services separates children from bad parents every day. I must have missed the uproar over that.

Parents who would put their children in this situation to begin with aren't really parents. Those children were already victims.

This isn't new. Obama did the same thing, again to no uproar.

And with the executive order, now the children will be in jail with their parents. Oh, great.

Is that what you wanted, liberals? They could have been well taken care of, but you flipped out over "separation", so now the kids get to go to jail with their incredibly responsible parents.

All over fabricated outrage.

Now we will have 1000 threads on the outrage that trump is jailing kids with their parents.
just wait and see.

but only for 20 days.

according to the 1997 law kids cannot be detained with their parents for more than 20 days.

this was signed by bill clinton.

 

[ludin]

And that makes it ok? You think Obama doing it makes it better somehow? Why would you think that?

i am simply waiting for the same frothing of the mouth outrage by liberals is all.

 

[Gina]

Gina, I'm confused and can't seem to get a straight answer. Are we talking migrant workers who enter this country with a valid migrant workers visa to do seasonal work? Are we talking about the children of illegals crossing the border without the proper paperwork? All of a sudden over the last three or four days I seen Illegal immigrants on news stories about these kids transformed into migrant workers.

Do you know which it is? Is it a combination of both or what?

It's been widely reported who these people are but here you go:

Very few people come to the bridge. Border Patrol is saying the bridge is closed. When I was last out in McAllen, people were stacked on the bridge, sleeping there for three, four, ten nights. They’ve now cleared those individuals from sleeping on the bridge, but there are hundreds of accounts of asylum seekers, when they go to the bridge, who are told, “I’m sorry, we’re full today. We can’t process your case.” So the families go illegally on a raft—I don’t want to say illegally; they cross without a visa on a raft. Many of them then look for Border Patrol to turn themselves in, because they know they’re going to ask for asylum. And under this government theory—you know, in the past, we’ve had international treaties, right? Statutes which codified the right of asylum seekers to ask for asylum. Right? Article 31 of the Refugee Convention clearly says that it is improper for any state to use criminal laws that could deter asylum seekers as long as that asylum seeker is asking for asylum within a reasonable amount of time. But our administration is kind of ignoring this longstanding international and national jurisprudence of basic beliefs to make this distinction that, if you come to a bridge, we’re not going to prosecute you, but if you come over the river and then find immigration or are caught by immigration, we’re prosecuting you.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/

Prior to Zero Tolerance, these people would not have been charged with a crime and then been separated from their kids.

 

[PoliSciXtina]

Sure you won't!

Why are you and others concerned more about sticking it to the people who have actually expressed compassion, than you are about what’s actually happening to the kids? I don’t understand that at all. You should care more about these kids being emotionally and psychologically traumatized. But your only concern is yelling at me and others who have shown concern. Just stop.


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[Gina]

I How common is cases like this one?

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I've read multiple stories of these parents, some before the Zero Tolerance policy was put in place.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...treat-other-criminals/?utm_term=.375409f26fad

One of the plaintiffs in the American Civil Liberties Union’s case challenging forced separations of asylum-seeking families is a woman listed as “Ms. L.” After fleeing political violence in Congo, she presented herself and her 7-year-old daughter at the San Ysidro, Calif., Port of Entry on Nov. 1, 2017. Ms. L. also passed a “credible fear interview,” the initial screening for asylum-seekers.

She did everything right. She did not unlawfully cross the border. Nonetheless, according to her ACLU attorney Lee Gelernt, her daughter was still taken from her. Ms. L. was sent to San Diego; her daughter, thousands of miles away to Chicago.

After a lawsuit, press coverage and great public outcry, they were finally reunited more than four months later.

There are other parents in that story.

Deported without her child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html

Since there is no protocol or policy to keep track of the kids for the purpose of reuniting them, it will become much more common.

 

[Ikari]

There are other parents in that story.

Deported without her child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html

Since there is no protocol or policy to keep track of the kids for the purpose of reuniting them, it will become much more common.

So we really are kidnapping then, huh?

 

[MTAtech]

Wow, Trump is signing an order to stop this.

It's almost like he could have stopped separating children from their families the whole time. It's almost like he never had to do it at all.

 

[cuban smokes]

So we really are kidnapping then, huh?

Yes; Trump will have to pardon himself & hundreds of others for kidnapping thousands of children ..........

Make Kidnapping Great Again

 

[ALiberalModerate]

yes please stop your intellectual dishonesty but i know you won't.

the kids will be separated in 20 days per a law from 1997. so will i see your outrage against clinton for that?

If you are simply mistaken, then I apologize for saying you were being intellectually dishonest, but you are simply wrong in regards to previous administrations.

Previous administrations only separated children from their parents when they suspected the kids were being trafficked, the parent they were traveling with was a felon, or the parent they were traveling with was a danger to the child or others.

But immigration advocates and former Obama administration officials say that's just not true: The Obama administration did not have any kind of widespread practice of separating children from their parents. Trump's policy aims to prosecute every single illegal border crossing, including asylum-seekers. The government separates children from their parents or legal guardians because the adults have been referred for prosecution for illegal entry into the United States.

The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."

Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856

What you are referring to from 1997 was not a Clinton law or policy, but rather a court order:

The 1997 Flores Settlement says unaccompanied children who are caught at the border can only be held in immigrant detention for up to 20 days (this was later expanded to include children accompanied by their parents). After that they must be released to their parents, adult relatives or other caretakers or the "least restrictive" setting, in that order. The Trump administration has said it wants to see the settlement overturned.

Everything you need to know about the immigrant family separation controversy | abc7chicago.com

What that meant policy wise to previous administrations was that children could not be held for more than 20 days with their parents in family detention. This is why the Bush and Obama Administrations opted not to prosecute parents with children that crossed illegally and instead referred them over to the immigration court system.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Wow, Trump is signing an order to stop this.

It's almost like he could have stopped separating children from their families the whole time. It's almost like he never had to do it at all.

At least he is stopping it now. Every day that went by, an average of 70 children were separated from their families. Hopefully that ends now.

 

[Gina]

No, it isn't new. If they come through the normal path for asylum seekers this doesn't happen. These people attempt to sneak across the border, which is illegal, and only claim asylum if ICE catches them. It is an attempt to game the system, and many in that boat are bad actors using children as human shields, as has already been shown numerous times.

If you wan the children of valid asylum seekers to be protected then support the enforcement of the law. If you want a free pass for child sex traffickers then keep on your current path.

Also, due to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 these children need to be treated as unaccompanied minors because their parents are being held in adult facilities and can't care for their children. Trump and the Republicans are working on a program that will create family holding facilities that will allow families to stay together during the adjudication process. I'm sure the Democrats will continue to have a problem with this because, in the end, what they really want is unfettered illegal immigration.

Yes, it is new, as stated by Sessions himself.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions today notified all U.S. Attorney’s Offices along the Southwest Border of a new “zero-tolerance policy” for offenses under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a), which prohibits both attempted illegal entry and illegal entry into the United States by an alien. The implementation of the Attorney General’s zero-tolerance policy comes as the Department of Homeland Security reported a 203 percent increase in illegal border crossings from March 2017 to March 2018, and a 37 percent increase from February 2018 to March 2018—the largest month-to-month increase since 2011.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atto...-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry

The government has slowed to a crawl the process for seeking asylum:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politi...-question-legality-of-latest-federal-tactics/

a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

Being that these people are being charged with a crime where they used to be processed and released, it's highly unlikely that many human traffickers are amongst those being detained and separated from their kids.

So the Trump policy is making unaccompanied minors of these kids where that didn't use to be the case.

 

[Gina]

It's for their own good really.

For sure, being separated from their "criminal" parents who were seeking asylum is better for them.

 

[Ikari]

For sure, being separated from their "criminal" parents who were seeking asylum is better for them.

Exactly, because they're criminals and you don't know what sort of abuse and crimes they would have been subjected to by their parents seeking asylum in the United States. By very virtue of attempting to come to our country, they demonstrated how unfit they are to be parents. But who better to be a parent then government? Government is the solution to everything, and government will provide the better parent by taking these poor and potentially abused children from their potentially abusive parents and instead put them into detention centers for unspecified periods of times.

 

[ludin]

If you are simply mistaken, then I apologize for saying you were being intellectually dishonest, but you are simply wrong in regards to previous administrations.

Previous administrations only separated children from their parents when they suspected the kids were being trafficked, the parent they were traveling with was a felon, or the parent they were traveling with was a danger to the child or others.

It doesn't matter why they were separated the fact is that previous administration did willingly separate children from their family. That is the outrage so either be consistent in your outrage or just admit that
it isn't so much that they were separated as who was doing the separation. We can't have children being separated from their families that was YOUR argument.

What you are referring to from 1997 was not a Clinton law or policy, but rather a court order:

Actually it was a deal struck by the clinton administration regarding the detainment of illegal aliens crossing the border based on the immigration bill that democrats approved with reagan back in 1985.

What that meant policy wise to previous administrations was that children could not be held for more than 20 days with their parents in family detention. This is why the Bush and Obama Administrations opted not to prosecute parents with children that crossed illegally and instead referred them over to the immigration court system.

In which they were just let loose in society with no reason to come back to court and they still haven't appeared in court which is a contempt charge right there.
the fact is according to the law both of which obama and bush chose to ignore is the issue not the trump administration.

so in 20 days due to this agreement that amended an immigration law passed by congress the families will be separated.
so i would like to see you post a thread about your outrage at the clinton administration for separating families.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

It doesn't matter why they were separated the fact is that previous administration did willingly separate children from their family. That is the outrage so either be consistent in your outrage or just admit that
it isn't so much that they were separated as who was doing the separation. We can't have children being separated from their families that was YOUR argument.

That was not my argument at all. I specifically said that other administrations separated kids from parents whey they were suspected of being trafficked, the parent was a felon, or the parent was a danger to them. No one has a problem with that. The problem was creating a policy where every child was separated from their parents because every parent was charged and arrested. No other administration did that.

You know, in all the years I have been on here I have tried to always admit when I was wrong. Even when I have started a thread that I ended up being wrong about, I admitted it, and apologized for my error. You should try that. If you want to continue with the intellectual dishonesty, take it to the basement.