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You believe Jesus was at least a man who did exist, right?

Jesus was his own father? You couldn't have dreamed that folly up yourself. I wonder how many drugs someone took to think that one up?
Well yeah, Christianity teaches that Jesus is "fully God and fully man", that he’s not a distinct person from God, he is God. God supernaturally impregnates Mary, so Jesus is his own father. Jesus prays to God. That means he prays to himself. He knew what he wanted to ask himself before he prayed, then granted (or not) his own request. Jesus offers himself to God on our behalf as a sacrifice of atonement, so God is sacrificing himself to himself. 0D8758F9-9A06-4B7D-B1A2-EFE691980C32.webp
 
Well yeah, Christianity teaches that Jesus is "fully God and fully man", that he’s not a distinct person from God, he is God. God supernaturally impregnates Mary, so Jesus is his own father. Jesus prays to God. That means he prays to himself. He knew what he wanted to ask himself before he prayed, then granted (or not) his own request. Jesus offers himself to God on our behalf as a sacrifice of atonement, so God is sacrificing himself to himself. View attachment 67242828

Here's a primer for you on that:

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We studied it at the university I attended. It didn't wash.



You/they "studied" it? Care to elaborate?


If you not interested, fine, just say so. But don't assume that your university experience is the final word, it is not.
 
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Enjoy! For the neighborhood kids, of course.

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My, in the annals of internet history, just when you thought the horse of the oldest internet meme in history was beat to death sounding off the TAPS bugle , someone, in defiance of the unwritten code, that, hey, people have their limits, and you just blew it, etc., What does logicman, who is soooo logical, i'm talkin' real depth here, thinks he is going to be like, astounding, yeah, the real razzle-dazzle 'em with brilliance routine on the internet, finally reaches in to his computer's royal goody bag, posts to the board a guy in a frickin', I mean I'm talking super duper bona fide, exellente roger doger jan-you-whine grade Triple A tin foil hat.
and....logicman didn't even have the fortuitous inclination for cognitive response to crop out the 'Shutter Stock' logo, woooo weee, .......

Damn, you're good. How am I going to respond to that? I grovel at the feet of the master.

:)
 
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No one knows that Jesus is anything but a made up character. It is simply faith and a never-ending litany of bad arguments that keep theists believing a character from a book full of fantasy stories was real.
This isn't about the whole book or any version of it. This is simply about one person. Where it is reasonable to assume, if one wishes, that Jesus existed, it is not reasonable to assume Harry Potter existed because we can conclusively prove that Harry Potter does not; just as we can prove Yoda and Data were always fictional as well.

There's no obligation for one to believe Jesus was a real person, but if one chose to, that choice is within the realm of reason.
 
This isn't about the whole book or any version of it. This is simply about one person. Where it is reasonable to assume, if one wishes, that Jesus existed, it is not reasonable to assume Harry Potter existed because we can conclusively prove that Harry Potter does not; just as we can prove Yoda and Data were always fictional as well.

There's no obligation for one to believe Jesus was a real person, but if one chose to, that choice is within the realm of reason.

Your method of proof would be to point to a book and say it is fiction. Don't bother with the excuse of asking the author. As i can always start referring to fiction books where the author is no longer alive, nemo, sherlock or even john carter. It is as much in the realm of reason to to think these characters existed as it is jesus. The bible also is a book of fiction. There is no more reason to believe even one story of a man in it. There is no reason to assume jesus existed. There is only faith that he did and a desperate need by christians to believe he did.
 
Well yeah, Christianity teaches that Jesus is "fully God and fully man", that he’s not a distinct person from God, he is God. God supernaturally impregnates Mary, so Jesus is his own father. Jesus prays to God. That means he prays to himself. He knew what he wanted to ask himself before he prayed, then granted (or not) his own request. Jesus offers himself to God on our behalf as a sacrifice of atonement, so God is sacrificing himself to himself. View attachment 67242828

That is not what the Bible teaches...it says Jesus is God's only begotten son...Jesus said "The Father is greater than I am"...John 14:28
 
That is not what the Bible teaches...it says Jesus is God's only begotten son...Jesus said "The Father is greater than I am"...John 14:28

Yeah, that's way more logical..:shock:
 
But, let's see. You do believe he was a real person, but there is no concrete evidence that he was a real person.

Now then, you believe he was a real person because the wake that was left in his name, well, that's such an abundance and thus overwhelming, though technically circumstantial evidence, one must conclude, therefore, he was real.

I would. Because of the gargantuan wake of Jesus, his legacy, I can see no other possible conclusion that he was a real man.


Now then, as for divinity, that's an article of faith, noting that this is not the point of this thread, so I dont want to comment on that.


The point is, if you have accepted the fact that a real person who was the ultimate cause of the movement called Christianity, whether he was divine, the Son Of God, not being the argument, how come, then.....

Why will you not accept the idea that Aliens have visited, and most likely contacted many, either voluntarily though most likely ( for most) involuntarily, on earth?

Again, we're not talking religion here, we're talking popularity. And no, I'm not suggesting that aliens, being as famous as Jesus ( they come close, though ) should necessarily be believed in, it's just that, given that you will accept the existence of Jesus, without concrete evidence, just for the abundant circumstantial evidence, and that there is abundant circumstantial evidence for aliens, ( though not impacting in any spiritual way, but that is not at debate ) why would you disbelieve in their having visited the earth ?


ps. please don't bug me about the run on sentence, just read it through and it does work. :)

I accept the possibility that both existed or exist.

Street preachers have existed as long as there have been streets. There are billions of galaxies with billions of stars with billions of planets. Mathematics strongly favor other life of some form or other elsewhere.

With aliens coming from the sky and God supposedly coming from the same sky, and no other explanation for God's existence, it's not out of reason to believe that God was an alien.
 
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That is not what the Bible teaches...it says Jesus is God's only begotten son...Jesus said "The Father is greater than I am"...John 14:28

Yeah, that's way more logical..:shock:

The Jehovah's Witnesses always make their arguments about Jesus being a lesser individual than God the Father when Jesus is incarnated as a man. But BEFORE Jesus incarnated, the Bible says the following from Philippians 2:

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

So, Jesus was equal in nature and equality with God BEFORE he humbled himself and incarnated as a man.

Originally Posted by HenryChinaski:
Well yeah, Christianity teaches that Jesus is "fully God and fully man", that he’s not a distinct person from God, he is God. God supernaturally impregnates Mary, so Jesus is his own father. Jesus prays to God. That means he prays to himself.

You missed it again. Jesus prayed to his Father who was in heaven, while Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane on earth.

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The Jehovah's Witnesses always make their arguments about Jesus being a lesser individual than God the Father when Jesus is incarnated as a man. But BEFORE Jesus incarnated, the Bible says the following from Philippians 2:

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

So, Jesus was equal in nature and equality with God BEFORE he humbled himself and incarnated as a man.



You missed it again. Jesus prayed to his Father who was in heaven, while Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane on earth.

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Not true...Jesus himself spoke of Jehovah as a separate being long before he came to the earth in human form and also after his ascension back to heaven...

Psalm 110:1
Proverbs 8:22,25,26,30
Revelation 1:1
Revelation 3:12
Revelation 7:9,10
Revelation 14:1
Revelation 22:1,3
 
The Jehovah's Witnesses always make their arguments about Jesus being a lesser individual than God the Father when Jesus is incarnated as a man. But BEFORE Jesus incarnated, the Bible says the following from Philippians 2:

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God
something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

So, Jesus was equal in nature and equality with God BEFORE he humbled himself and incarnated as a man.



You missed it again. Jesus prayed to his Father who was in heaven, while Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane on earth.

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Cool story dude. :lamo
 
Not true...Jesus himself spoke of Jehovah as a separate being long before he came to the earth in human form and also after his ascension back to heaven...

Psalm 110:1
Proverbs 8:22,25,26,30
Revelation 1:1
Revelation 3:12
Revelation 7:9,10
Revelation 14:1
Revelation 22:1,3

Jehovah is the name of the Triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). God’s name is Jehovah (or Yahweh—YHWH – Isaiah 42:8). Jesus has Jehovah’s name (John 17:11; John 16:14-15).

"...the LORD (Jehovah) has anointed me (Jesus Jehovah) to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners..." Isaiah 61:1
 
He was a cosmic Jewish zombie, who was his own father that could make you live forever, if you telepathically accept him as your master and symbolically eat his flesh, so he can remove an evil force from your soul, because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical fruit tree. Think about the drugs consumed in order to think that up..


One Amanita Mascaria should do the trick
 
Your method of proof would be to point to a book and say it is fiction. Don't bother with the excuse of asking the author. As i can always start referring to fiction books where the author is no longer alive, nemo, sherlock or even john carter. It is as much in the realm of reason to to think these characters existed as it is jesus. The bible also is a book of fiction. There is no more reason to believe even one story of a man in it. There is no reason to assume jesus existed. There is only faith that he did and a desperate need by christians to believe he did.

I dissagree but ok.
 
It's an easy enough concept to grasp:


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Is that a concept, or a picture? A concept or a drawing?
 
Jehovah is the name of the Triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). God’s name is Jehovah (or Yahweh—YHWH – Isaiah 42:8). Jesus has Jehovah’s name (John 17:11; John 16:14-15).

"...the LORD (Jehovah) has anointed me (Jesus Jehovah) to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners..." Isaiah 61:1

You are grasping at straws and ignoring the obvious, including the scriptures I gave you, giving evidence that Jehovah and Jesus are 2 separate beings who are not equal...

Yeah, Isaiah says "He sent me"...2 separate beings, not one...

Jesus acknowledged that his disciples, his “sheep,” were given to him by the Father...from Jesus’ prayer we can see that Jesus and his Father are “one” in the same sense that his true followers can be “one"...John 17:11

Obviously the faithful disciples of Jesus Christ could never become part of a triune God but they could be one in purpose and activity...further proving that Jesus never claimed equality with his Father is the fact that, in his prayer, he addressed his Father as the “only true God” and spoke of himself as his Father’s “representative"...John 17:3, 8
 
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