Yes, Virginia, Russians did help Trump Win

[SirGareth]

Because I'm not a socialist, leftist or Democrat. :doh

You walk like one and talk like one, do you honestly believe Trump "colluded" with Russians to destroy the eminently un-electable Madam Clinton and that there both is and should be laws allowing for prosecution of citizens or non-citizens for registering their opinions anywhere?

If Russians (including Putin) or anyone else post political comments here on Debate Politics under an assumed name has a crime been committed?

Is this really why we diverted resources from the FBI to "investigate collusion" instead of responding to an exigent situation in Florida where the FBI had full knowledge of an armed and dangerous leftist nut threatening to go on a killing rampage?

What did the taxpayers get from this 100 million dollar steaming pile of Horse**** that Mueller delivered up to us as the finest Fois Gras that Washington DC is capable of serving?

Washington DC, the city that makes nothing and does nothing, and yet is the wealthiest city in the USA. WTF?

If you are a "centrist," that train went off the tracks many years ago.

 

[Fishking]

Trump and his minions are pretending that yesterday's indictments mean nothing. In fact, the Dotard is trying to argue that the indictment proves Russians did not sway the election his way---an amazing bit of denial that only an idiot would conclude or could possibly believe. Anyway, this article states the obvious.

That's probably because if you had, you know, read something for comprehension you'd have seen that Russia did pro-Hillary and also pro-Trump events. Well...there was also pro-Bernie stuff in there as well.

 

[Fishking]

Millions of dollars in free Russian advertisements targeting swing states with Trump's MAGA message most certainly had an influence. Denial must run deep in RW land.

No, it wasn't millions of dollars. It was $100,000, which was a joke compared to the billion Hillary spent or the billions in friendly free coverage by all the media outlets. You're really desperate aren't you? Trump is the President. Nothing is going to change that. Do better in 2020. Stop tearing the country apart because you're having a tantrum for not getting your way.

 

[calamity]

You walk like one and talk like one, do you honestly believe Trump "colluded" with Russians to destroy the eminently un-electable Madam Clinton and that there both is and should be laws allowing for prosecution of citizens or non-citizens for registering their opinions anywhere?

If Russians (including Putin) or anyone else post political comments here on Debate Politics under an assumed name has a crime been committed?

Is this really why we diverted resources from the FBI to "investigate collusion" instead of responding to an exigent situation in Florida where the FBI had full knowledge of an armed and dangerous leftist nut threatening to go on a killing rampage?

What did the taxpayers get from this 100 million dollar steaming pile of Horse**** that Mueller delivered up to us as the finest Fois Gras that Washington DC is capable of serving?

Washington DC, the city that makes nothing and does nothing, and yet is the wealthiest city in the USA. WTF?

If you are a "centrist," that train went off the tracks many years ago.

What's with the blood-red goofy font?

 

[Superfly]

I just tried to think of the most significant (according to the left) contribution the left made over the Obama era and that's the first thing that came to mind.

This is one of the ignorant posts I've seen, and that's saying a lot, as of late.

 

[Superfly]

I wasn't :neener

But come on now, if you've got a little time and money to influence an election you're not going to waste it with a silly stunt at a campaign rally where the vote is already 99.99% decided the way you'd like the election to go. A stunt like that only makes Trump supporters laugh and Clinton supporters angry... that is to say, not influence but sow discord.

~ snip ~ Russians paid Trump rally-goers to simulate Clinton jailing

According to the document, the Russian nationals and their associates paid people attending pro-Donald Trump rallies in Florida to carry out numerous “tasks,” including asking one to construct a cage at an event and another to dress up as Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton behind bars.

“Defendants and their co-conspirators asked one U.S. person to build a cage on a flatbed truck and another U.S. person to wear a costume portraying Clinton in a prison uniform,” the indictment read.

Calls for Clinton to be jailed were persistent at Trump rallies throughout 2016, with crowds often breaking out into chants of “Lock her up!” In local reports from 2016 rallies in Florida, rally-goers can be seen staging Clinton displays with caged mannequins. ~ snip ~

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/mueller-indictment-hillary-clinton-key-findings-415692

 

[JackA]

Russian activity did not sway the election. Period.

An expression of faith.

If you consider the facts, the Russians not only helped Trump. They campaigned for Jill Stein, who in Michigan received 51,000 votes, a state Trump won by 12.000. I grant you it probably is impossible to
prove Russian interference helped "sway the election", but it is certainly possible that it did.

 

[Taylor]

Maybe the DNC should have spent some of their billion in campaign funds doing what you say swayed the election then, eh?

That the Russians could spend so little and yet so easily convince the public that Hillary was what she actually was... a corruptly rich very poor candidate. Too easy, just too dang easy hahahaha

Yes, exactly. It's as if the Russians completely revolutionized campaigning. Billions wasted when all you really need is a dozen internet trolls.

 

[Taylor]

It was obvious to anyone paying attention that three things, over and above normal stuff, swung voter decision.

1. Wikileaks
2. Relentless anti-Hillary trolling on FB and Twitter
3. Comey's letter

Are these the three primary reasons why you voted for Trump?

 

[calamity]

Are these the three primary reasons why you voted for Trump?

I didn't vote for either one.

 

[Taylor]

~ snip ~ Russians paid Trump rally-goers to simulate Clinton jailing

According to the document, the Russian nationals and their associates paid people attending pro-Donald Trump rallies in Florida to carry out numerous “tasks,” including asking one to construct a cage at an event and another to dress up as Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton behind bars.

“Defendants and their co-conspirators asked one U.S. person to build a cage on a flatbed truck and another U.S. person to wear a costume portraying Clinton in a prison uniform,” the indictment read.

Calls for Clinton to be jailed were persistent at Trump rallies throughout 2016, with crowds often breaking out into chants of “Lock her up!” In local reports from 2016 rallies in Florida, rally-goers can be seen staging Clinton displays with caged mannequins. ~ snip ~

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/mueller-indictment-hillary-clinton-key-findings-415692

If a jailed Hillary wails in a crowd of Trump supporters, and there are no undecideds there to hear it, does it make a sound?

 

[What if...?]

According to Rosenstein it didn't affect the outcome. But I guess you will ignore the DAG of the DOJ....cause, ya know....TRUMP! :roll:

A PR company working on a political campaign can't "prove" they swayed an election. Its subconscious psychology.

Yet its still a ten billion dollar a year industry.

Looking at the right polls can give an indication. Much polling is just the feedback loop for persuasive messaging. Is the target audience absorbing the message properly? If not can the message be corrected? Etc.

You're not going to see a lot of detailed analysis of this in the media.

They make their money promulgating persuasive messaging. The marketing of products, ideas, perspectives.

They're never going to go into details about how the sausage is made. People would buy less sausage.

So saying there's no evidence in the indictment does not mean there was no effect on the election.

Just that it would be nigh impossible to prove in a court of law.

But remember, anorexia and bulimia are considered side effects of marketing. Unintended consequences of portraying anything but model skinny as ugly, undesireable.

 

[Superfly]

If a jailed Hillary wails in a crowd of Trump supporters, and there are no undecideds there to hear it, does it make a sound?

That's your response? I showed you proof of my claim after you questioned it, and this is how you respond?

 

[Brochacholomigo]

maybe not, but the effort was made. Doesn't that piss you off>

Doesn't it piss you off that they tried? Don't you get more pissed off wondering who else will try next time?

Nah. We pull this **** all the time with influencing other countries, and now Russia's trying to get back at us for killing the Soviet Union with exorbitant spending & dividing up the spoils afterward. And it doesn't appear to be working out that well for them.

 

[calamity]

Nah. We pull this **** all the time with influencing other countries, and now Russia's trying to get back at us for killing the Soviet Union with exorbitant spending & dividing up the spoils afterward. And it doesn't appear to be working out that well for them.

Yes, we do meddle everywhere. Sometimes, we even assassinate people whose politics we do not like.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Yes, we do meddle everywhere. Sometimes, we even assassinate people whose politics we do not like.

Yep. International politics is shady as hell.

 

[ksu_aviator]

This is one of the ignorant posts I've seen, and that's saying a lot, as of late.

Well, I'm glad you could resort to name calling so quickly. Given your profile pic, I have to say I am a little disappointed it took so long.

 

[Fletch]

An expression of faith.

If you consider the facts, the Russians not only helped Trump. They campaigned for Jill Stein, who in Michigan received 51,000 votes, a state Trump won by 12.000. I grant you it probably is impossible to
prove Russian interference helped "sway the election", but it is certainly possible that it did.

People who voted for Jill Stein are true believers unlikely to be swayed by campaign style ads. Plus you could equally argue that Russian interference cost Trump votes, since it was an issue during the campaign. In fact, Clinton called Trump 'Putins puppet' during one of the debates. That comment by Hillary hurt Trump more than anything Russia did to supposedly help him. Hillary lost because she was the inferior candidate. Period.

 

[Superfly]

Well, I'm glad you could resort to name calling so quickly. Given your profile pic, I have to say I am a little disappointed it took so long.

Aw, shucks. You are disappointed in me? I may never recover.

 

[Cardinal]

According to Rosenstein it didn't affect the outcome. But I guess you will ignore the DAG of the DOJ....cause, ya know....TRUMP! :roll:

He didn't say that. He was compartmentalizing the significance of the indictments itself, explaining what the indictments weren't.

 

[JackA]

People who voted for Jill Stein are true believers unlikely to be swayed by campaign style ads. Plus you could equally argue that Russian interference cost Trump votes, since it was an issue during the campaign. In fact, Clinton called Trump 'Putins puppet' during one of the debates. That comment by Hillary hurt Trump more than anything Russia did to supposedly help him. Hillary lost because she was the inferior candidate. Period.

You could argue anything. We’ll never know for sure, so it is incorrect to say, “Russia didn’t sway the election. Period.” But it is correct to say Russia tried to sway the election against Hillary Clinton.

 

[SirGareth]

What's with the blood-red goofy font?

It's actually brown and it's a pleasant font.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Prove it.

your guy, rod rosentein, so there is no evidence that it swayed the election. It can therefore, be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Gina]

Nor should he as that is not his job.

If you don't believe it's his job, then you can't say this indictment says Russian interference didn't affect the outcome of the election.

 

[apdst]

Millions of dollars in free Russian advertisements targeting swing states with Trump's MAGA message most certainly had an influence. Denial must run deep in RW land.

Or, maybe people are just tired of the Left's stupid ****?