Yes, Virginia, Russians did help Trump Win

[Gaugingcatenate]

*Snort*

Russians chose a candidate and bought ads to support him and attack his opponents. Russians recruited activists to amplify their message. They organized rallies. They focused on swing states. They did what all campaigns do to win votes.

Yeah, they swayed the election.

Maybe the DNC should have spent some of their billion in campaign funds doing what you say swayed the election then, eh?

That the Russians could spend so little and yet so easily convince the public that Hillary was what she actually was... a corruptly rich very poor candidate. Too easy, just too dang easy hahahaha

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

:shrug: Everyone has a Right to Free Speech.



Just because the US government may not recognize other peoples Rights doesn't mean that they do not have those Rights.

Well **** lets just let the enemy say whatever they want because you have some misunderstanding of rights in the US.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Trump and his minions are pretending that yesterday's indictments mean nothing. In fact, the Dotard is trying to argue that the indictment proves Russians did not sway the election his way---an amazing bit of denial that only an idiot would conclude or could possibly believe. Anyway, this article states the obvious.

I read the article and the guy (a lawyer) makes some good points when talking about the states where the electoral vote was close but went to Trump, not Hillary.

The problem with his assumption is -- it's still just an assumption and there's virtually no way to ever know for sure. It's interesting to see how far Russia went in some of their ads and propaganda, but it's impossible to tell if those were the things that impacted democratic voters not to stay home and not vote in numbers big enough to impact the election.

We do know there was plenty of US-born back-stabbing going on at the same time -- the mud-slinging was massive back then. What, if any, part Russia played will simply never be known.

We also know foreign nationals from other countries were involved on both sides, and we know the DNC was screwing Bernie over in the primaries.

We simply do not and will not ever know what, if any, impact, Russia had on the vote.

The last few years of Obama's term fired up a lot of right-leaning people and Hillary simply was not a strong enough candidate to overcome that. Obama won because he was able to pull 90%-plus of the black vote and democrats were silly to think Hillary could do that. She never had a chance with the black voting bloc, a lot of whom still despised her from her run against Obama in the primaries 8 years earlier.

I would say we try to keep foreign influence to a minimum in subsequent elections, but we have to remember that we've meddled in the elections of others and they're going to try to do the same with us.

 

[HowardBThiname]

No. I just understand that Putin has no right to free speech, in the US.

Could you point to any law that backs up your claim?

Because we seem to follow an international "understanding" that foreign nationals are welcome to express their opinions in other nations. In fact, it's done virtually every day in our world.

If there's no law against it -- and there isn't -- we're going to have to realize that, in our attempt to create a global community, that's exactly what we've done -- created a community where anyone, from any nation, can voice an opinion about another nation.

If we want to stop them -- we'll have to adapt something similar to North Korea, who regularly blocks outside media and bans the internet.

Is that what you want for us?

 

[Utility Man]

Nor should he as that is not his job. And my questions apply to everyone that voted or even those that did vote. So it should be an easy question to answer. Unfortunately people aren't near as introspective as they should be. So you're right that we probably will never know for sure. But I do have a fairly good idea. Most of our electorate more than likely voted based on single issues. Maybe two or three if they happened to coincide with their first issue. That would lead them to the candidate that they thought best represented that issue. Which for many means either a "D" or an "R". Not any particular candidate.

However there is another reason that I'm fairly certain that the Russians attempt to influence our election failed, particularly when it came to its support of Trump. I saw more vitriol against Trump than I have ever seen against any other Presidential Candidate in my entire lifetime. From the very beginning the majority of the media laughed at even the thought of a Trump Presidency. Towards the end there they were so vitriolic that I'm surprised that they didn't burn a hole to the other side of the earth.

Ever hear of Comet Ping Pong ?

Last fall before the Presidential election, a large number of media outlets began reporting on allegations arising from emails released by Wikileaks that appeared to come from John Podesta, who served Presidents Clinton and Obama and was the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

Dozens of those stories and articles raised or discussed theories that some of Podesta’s emails contained code words for human trafficking and/or pedophilia. Stories also included allegations connecting members of the Democratic Party with a number of restaurants involved with a child sex ring. These stories were cited and discussed in social media and went viral on the Internet.

One of the persons mentioned in many of the stories in the media was a Washington, D.C. restaurant owner named James Alefantis, and his pizza restaurant Comet Ping Pong.......

:elephantf:usflag2:

 

[Utility Man]

:2bow:

 

[Utility Man]

The media isn't mean to Trump, he is just a filthy POS.

 

[Excon]

The title of the video is absurd.
Trump did not ask them to hack anything as that server was already offline.

 

[Utility Man]

The title of the video is absurd.
Trump did not ask them to hack anything as that server was already offline.

 

[Excon]

http://78.media.tumblr.com/1de8c74fc4a1da95bfaf3a1965ec0c32/tumblr_p1yedrMZ651qinrtgo1_500.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
As I figured. You are incapable of addressing your irrational posting.

 

[Thoreau72]

Prove it.

Why don't YOU prove that it did? Because like Mueller and his team you cannot, that's why.

 

[MrShangles]

Yes, and how exactly would Trump know that the Russians did not sway the election? He doesn't know, of course. In fact just on the bare facts alone Trump hasn't had time to know. Unless, of course, Trump has known about the Russian activities for a while now. That would open another can of worms.

President Stable Genius, who has maintained all along that the Russians did not meddle in the elections now claims that the meddling, which heretofore he claimed never existed, did not sway the election. Trump assumes or would have his base assume - at his direction - that the Russians committed no foul so no harm was done. (I wish the Mods would fix the puking emoji)

Using Trumpian logic the indictments we have seen from Mueller are the sum total of the Russian meddling. Of course, the activities in the indictments were not likely Putin's sole effort. Hell, they may well be collateral effort, a small part of a much larger propaganda campaign. Why would they not be? We don't know at this point. Does Trump?

Trump would have everyone fold up their tents and go home. Game over. Problem is Mueller has proved Trump wrong. There was no witch hunt.

As of the public announcement of the indictments we know that anything Trump and the GOP do to stop the investigation would reek of obstruction. We now have proof that Russia meddled in the election. With nothing to hide Trump should impose immediate sanctions on Russia and encourage Mueller to proceed his investigation.

Did you be chance even take the time to listen to the FBIs press conference, or maybe your a Russian BOT spreading fake news, you’re doing exactly the same thing the FBI said the Russians were doing, spreading fake news!


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[calamity]

Why don't YOU prove that it did? Because like Mueller and his team you cannot, that's why.

Logic dictates that it must have.

 

[SirGareth]

Trump and his minions are pretending that yesterday's indictments mean nothing. In fact, the Dotard is trying to argue that the indictment proves Russians did not sway the election his way---an amazing bit of denial that only an idiot would conclude or could possibly believe. Anyway, this article states the obvious.

I always get a kick out of seeing the loony left call themselves "centrists" as if socialism is central to anything except pure nuttiness. Why not proclaim your leftist credentials proudly?

 

[Thoreau72]

Logic dictates that it must have.

Tortured political logic, but that's about it. The same kind of "logic" Dubya and Colin used to "prove" the existence of Iraqi WMD.

That's not real logic, it is deception.

 

[calamity]

I read the article and the guy (a lawyer) makes some good points when talking about the states where the electoral vote was close but went to Trump, not Hillary.

The problem with his assumption is -- it's still just an assumption and there's virtually no way to ever know for sure. It's interesting to see how far Russia went in some of their ads and propaganda, but it's impossible to tell if those were the things that impacted democratic voters not to stay home and not vote in numbers big enough to impact the election.

We do know there was plenty of US-born back-stabbing going on at the same time -- the mud-slinging was massive back then. What, if any, part Russia played will simply never be known.

We also know foreign nationals from other countries were involved on both sides, and we know the DNC was screwing Bernie over in the primaries.

We simply do not and will not ever know what, if any, impact, Russia had on the vote.

The last few years of Obama's term fired up a lot of right-leaning people and Hillary simply was not a strong enough candidate to overcome that. Obama won because he was able to pull 90%-plus of the black vote and democrats were silly to think Hillary could do that. She never had a chance with the black voting bloc, a lot of whom still despised her from her run against Obama in the primaries 8 years earlier.

I would say we try to keep foreign influence to a minimum in subsequent elections, but we have to remember that we've meddled in the elections of others and they're going to try to do the same with us.

Yeah, I have to agree with all of this.

 

[holbritter]

Prove it.

You prove it did

 

[holbritter]

Yes, and how exactly would Trump know that the Russians did not sway the election? He doesn't know, of course. In fact just on the bare facts alone Trump hasn't had time to know. Unless, of course, Trump has known about the Russian activities for a while now. That would open another can of worms.

President Stable Genius, who has maintained all along that the Russians did not meddle in the elections now claims that the meddling, which heretofore he claimed never existed, did not sway the election. Trump assumes or would have his base assume - at his direction - that the Russians committed no foul so no harm was done. (I wish the Mods would fix the puking emoji)

Using Trumpian logic the indictments we have seen from Mueller are the sum total of the Russian meddling. Of course, the activities in the indictments were not likely Putin's sole effort. Hell, they may well be collateral effort, a small part of a much larger propaganda campaign. Why would they not be? We don't know at this point. Does Trump?

Trump would have everyone fold up their tents and go home. Game over. Problem is Mueller has proved Trump wrong. There was no witch hunt.

As of the public announcement of the indictments we know that anything Trump and the GOP do to stop the investigation would reek of obstruction. We now have proof that Russia meddled in the election. With nothing to hide Trump should impose immediate sanctions on Russia and encourage Mueller to proceed his investigation.

You are right. He can't know that they didn't as much as he can know they did. Unless you can find a way to ask every voter what they saw and why they voted as they did, no one is going to know for sure.

 

[calamity]

You prove it did

The article in the OP laid out a good case for how it probably helped Trump win. You should read it.

 

[calamity]

You are right. He can't know that they didn't as much as he can know they did. Unless you can find a way to ask every voter what they saw and why they voted as they did, no one is going to know for sure.

It was obvious to anyone paying attention that three things, over and above normal stuff, swung voter decision.

1. Wikileaks
2. Relentless anti-Hillary trolling on FB and Twitter
3. Comey's letter

 

[calamity]

Tortured political logic, but that's about it. The same kind of "logic" Dubya and Colin used to "prove" the existence of Iraqi WMD.

That's not real logic, it is deception.

.....

It was obvious to anyone paying attention that three things, over and above normal stuff, swung voter decision.

1. Wikileaks
2. Relentless anti-Hillary trolling on FB and Twitter
3. Comey's letter

 

[Thoreau72]

.....

Yes indeedy, The Emperor's New Clothes are simply stunning!! :lamo

 

[calamity]

I always get a kick out of seeing the loony left call themselves "centrists" as if socialism is central to anything except pure nuttiness. Why not proclaim your leftist credentials proudly?

Because I'm not a socialist, leftist or Democrat. :doh

 

[calamity]

Yes indeedy, The Emperor's New Clothes are simply stunning!! :lamo

She lost four key states by a handful of votes. It requires a pretty deep state of denial to think those three negative factors played no part.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Well **** lets just let the enemy say whatever they want because you have some misunderstanding of rights in the US.

Rights are human based. Not country based. Countries can certainly suppress Rights. Doesn't mean that humans don't fundamentally deserve them.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.