Yes, Coronavirus IS airborne

[jmotivator]

Yes all that touchy feelly stuff in bars is the culprit all right.. They just can't keep their hands of each other...

A Virus Walks Into a Bar … - The New York Times

A scenario that could happen in any bar:

1) Bartender picks up glass from infected patron who has smeared COVID-19 on the glass inadvertently.

2) Bartender puts glass in dishwasher and fails to wash their hands.

3) You place an order with the bartender

4) Bartender mixes your drink, transferring COVID-19 to your glass

5) Bartender hands you the glass covered in COVID-19 and you put the glass to your lips...


Or, if that example wasn't clear enough, or had too many words, here is a visual representation of virus spreading in a bar/restaurant...

 

[Gaius46]

You went to Lowe's to look at tools. Must be business as usual, except wear a mask and stay 6 feet away.

I'm sure you're fully protected, what with all that cloth and distance protecting you.

I didn’t go to Lowe’s. Or HD or anywhere else for that matter.

There are things that must get done and a certain level of risk that must be borne. Parts and what not to keep your home running are important. Would some people stretch that and go to HD to buy a miter saw just ‘cause? Probably. Did some of those 6% of people not need to take the subway? Probably. So what. That doesn’t invalidate the measure. And you trying to invalidate all covid mitigation’s because some people may have flaunted reasonable measures like keeping the subway running because doctors and nurses still need to get to work is ridiculous.

 

[iguanaman]

A scenario that could happen in any bar:

1) Bartender picks up glass from infected patron who has smeared COVID-19 on the glass inadvertently.

2) Bartender puts glass in dishwasher and fails to wash their hands.

3) You place an order with the bartender

4) Bartender mixes your drink, transferring COVID-19 to your glass

5) Bartender hands you the glass covered in COVID-19 and you put the glass to your lips...


Or, if that example wasn't clear enough, or had too many words, here is a visual representation of virus spreading in a bar/restaurant...

Boy there must of been some really careless waiters in this bar...

At least 152 coronavirus cases linked to Michigan bar - CNN

COVID-19 is thought to spread mainly through close contact from person-to-person. Some people without symptoms may be able to spread the virus. We are still learning about how the virus spreads and the severity of illness it causes.

Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
COVID-19 may be spread by people who are not showing symptoms.

The virus may be spread in other ways
It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about how this virus spreads.

How Coronavirus Spreads | CDC

 

[ReubenSherr]

Getting extremely tired of restaurant workers and store clerks touching my hand when they hand me food. All they hear in the media is “masks, masks, masks,” the liberal media is preventing people from thinking

Yes, COVID droplets hang in the air, there is still no evidence that this is the most common method of infection

 

[Craig234]

Quote from first source:

"Transmission of COVID-19 occurs primarily through aerosolized respiratory droplets which can spread the virus and can cause infection in others."

Your second source quotes similar statements which are all true. COVID-19 is aersolized, but the primary infection vector comes from aerosol droplets that are too heavy to float landing on other people or surfaces, and those droplets getting transferred to the mouth or eyes from your hands, OR being transferred from the hand of an infected person to a surface or hands of another person. The point of a mask if to catch those droplets as they leave an infected person's mouth or nose.

What this says is that the masks help, but the most important prophylactic against catching COVID-19 is washing your hands frequently and avoiding touching your face in public.

Saying that air born transmission isn't the primary concern isn't misinformation, it's just the truth.

You have an agenda, you are twisting and cherry picking to fit it, and I'm not interested in that. You're welcome to your opinion.

 

[George50]

No, even the ones who die from it....the sooner they're off the taxpayer's teet, the better.

it's why I'm not worried about over-population. We'll have a plague or a war or something to thin the numbers out. Mother Nature always balances the scales.

Older people who are most at risk have most of the money and they own the lions share of US companies. Not long ago every Republican out there was calling them the “job creators.”

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[Craig234]

Yes, COVID droplets hang in the air, there is still no evidence that this is the most common method of infection

No one has ever said it is. Straw man.

 

[iguanaman]

Getting extremely tired of restaurant workers and store clerks touching my hand when they hand me food. All they hear in the media is “masks, masks, masks,” the liberal media is preventing people from thinking

Yes, COVID droplets hang in the air, there is still no evidence that this is the most common method of infection

Not according the the CDC but what do they know right? Better to just make up your own stories.

Person-to-person spread
The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs, sneezes, or talks.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
COVID-19 may be spread by people who are not showing symptoms.
The virus spreads easily between people
How easily a virus spreads from person-to-person can vary. Some viruses are highly contagious, like measles, while other viruses do not spread as easily. Another factor is whether the spread is sustained, which means it goes from person-to-person without stopping.

The virus that causes COVID-19 is spreading very easily and sustainably between people. Information from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic suggests that this virus is spreading more efficiently than influenza, but not as efficiently as measles, which is highly contagious. In general, the more closely a person interacts with others and the longer that interaction, the higher the risk of COVID-19 spread.

The virus may be spread in other ways
It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about how this virus spreads.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fprevent-getting-sick%2Fhow-covid-spreads.html

 

[Lursa]

They're the excuses you provided.



Because they knew you'd leave your house anyways based on all the excuses you provided.

The grocery store is open. The liquor store and weed dispensaries are essential business. Must not be too serious.

No, I didnt provide any excuses, just reasons, and didnt discuss anyting that wasnt initially closed. Except state parks.

So...please answer the question: Why would they want to calm fears of leaving your house when they still want you to stay home as much as possible?

I'm asking you to support your claim re: calming fears.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[iguanaman]

No one has ever said it is. Straw man.

Actually the CDC does say that the main transmission of Covid 19 infections is person to person thru the air. If people were using their heads they would know that has to be why it spreads so rapidly.

At least 152 coronavirus cases linked to Michigan bar - CNN

 

[Lursa]

A scenario that could happen in any bar:

1) Bartender picks up glass from infected patron who has smeared COVID-19 on the glass inadvertently.

2) Bartender puts glass in dishwasher and fails to wash their hands.

3) You place an order with the bartender

4) Bartender mixes your drink, transferring COVID-19 to your glass

5) Bartender hands you the glass covered in COVID-19 and you put the glass to your lips...


Or, if that example wasn't clear enough, or had too many words, here is a visual representation of virus spreading in a bar/restaurant...

"Ingesting" CV19 has not been shown to be harmful.

Do you have links that show otherwise?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

Yes, COVID droplets hang in the air, there is still no evidence that this is the most common method of infection

What is?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Craig234]

Yes, COVID droplets hang in the air, there is still no evidence that this is the most common method of infection

No one has ever said it is. Straw man.

 

[Lursa]

Getting extremely tired of restaurant workers and store clerks touching my hand when they hand me food. All they hear in the media is “masks, masks, masks,” the liberal media is preventing people from thinking

Why are you still putting your hand out :doh

Let them put it down. Is there a table? Anything?

For example, from the start if I ordered take out, I ordered and paid over the phone, drove over, parked, and got out and opened up the hatch of my car. And stayed at least 6 feet away. Nobody had to hand me anything.

If they hand you anything, you're closer than 6 feet. If you are concerned about catching CV19 you probably shouldnt be out getting prepared food period.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Moderate Right]

Apparently, politics has the health agencies reluctant to say it.

Coronavirus can float in air, and experts say WHO and CDC should tell people that

I've said this almost from day one. It is not getting spread because you touch a door handle and then touch your eyes (very few anyway). It is getting spread in mostly indoor settings where people are breathing the virus in through droplets in the air. The more people, the more it becomes a superspreader event.

 

[ReubenSherr]

What is?

Different research points to different methods of transmission.

But there’s no solid research that airborne transmission is the most common method, some points to person-to-person physical contact

 

[ReubenSherr]

Why are you still putting your hand out :doh

Let them put it down. Is there a table? Anything?

People are literally reaching towards me and making sure the bag is sealed, or double checking the bag. I feel like masks make some people overconfident, and they forget that this is a virus that can be spread by contact

 

[Lursa]

Different research points to different methods of transmission.

But there’s no solid research that airborne transmission is the most common method, some points to person-to-person physical contact

Which ones? Give me top 3.

Here's a clue...when it's transmitted person-to-person, what's the primary way it travels between persons?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Lursa]

People are literally reaching towards me and making sure the bag is sealed, or double checking the bag. I feel like masks make some people overconfident, and they forget that this is a virus that can be spread by contact

So dont let them. And then dont touch your face after :roll:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[RAMOSS]

The reason cloth masks are not important in that situation is that cloth masks do not protect you from covid-19.

You keep saying that, yet evidence has been provided with peer reviewed articles, and also by pointing out the difference in places where there is near universal face mask wearing verses no face masks and no social distancing. This appears to be an applicatoin of the backfire effect.

 

[jmotivator]

"Ingesting" CV19 has not been shown to be harmful.

Do you have links that show otherwise?

... why do you put quotes around things I never said?

You do realize the two primary places that COVID-19 enters your body is through your mouth and your eyes, right?

 

[Lursa]

... why do you put quotes around things I never said?

It was for focus...on things you wrote like lifting a glass to your lips. Are the italics ok?

Cleared up? Can you continue to respond now? Were you implying that there is a danger to ingesting CV19? If so, where did that information come from?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[ReubenSherr]

Which ones? Give me top 3.

Here's a clue...when it's transmitted person-to-person, what's the primary way it travels between persons?

???

We don't know yet - Mixed research on both sides

Are you claiming you have proof that airborne transmission is the most common method?

Studies proving that droplets linger in the air aren't proof, only studies which demonstrate that the second person has actually been infected with the virus through airborne transmission

 

[jmotivator]

It was for focus...on things you wrote like lifting a glass to your lips. Are the italics ok?

Cleared up? Can you continue to respond now? Were you implying that there is a danger to ingesting CV19? If so, where did that information come from?

Because coronavirus enters your body through your mouth and eyes. It doesn't need to be inhaled to end up in your lungs, unless you think you breathe through your eyes...

Are you all not aware that your respiration and food ingestion happen through the same hole? :roll:

 

[Schism]

No, I didnt provide any excuses, just reasons, and didnt discuss anyting that wasnt initially closed. Except state parks.

This isn't the first time you denied what you said and attempted to move goal posts.

You're being dishonest again. Good day, Madame.