Yes, Coronavirus IS airborne

[Mithros]

But, but...there's no way the BLM protests can spread the virus. Right?

BTW, aren't there a lot of dumb ass white people participating in the BLMatard rallies? :lamo

Surprisingly (and I mean this seriously), the protests did not significantly spread the virus. There was likely some transmission, but far less than anyone expected.

If you want to make the economy recover you need to deal with reality. What we've seen is not just in states that have opened too early, but anywhere we've opened indoor dining, bars, and churches, cases have exploded. Places with outdoor protests be they Trump supporters or BLM's have seen cases, but not the explosive increase we've seen in Texas, California, Florida, and Arizona. Moderate indoor gatherings -> Explosions in cases. Massive outdoor gatherings -> few new cases.

How does this make any sense? It makes a ton of sense if you view the virus like second hand smoke. Second hand smoke can be dangerous outdoors, but it's a hell of a lot more dangerous indoors.

 

[apdst]

Surprisingly (and I mean this seriously), the protests did not significantly spread the virus. There was likely some transmission, but far less than anyone expected.

If you want to make the economy recover you need to deal with reality. What we've seen is not just in states that have opened too early, but anywhere we've opened indoor dining, bars, and churches, cases have exploded. Places with outdoor protests be they Trump supporters or BLM's have seen cases, but not the explosive increase we've seen in Texas, California, Florida, and Arizona. Moderate indoor gatherings -> Explosions in cases. Massive outdoor gatherings -> few new cases.

How does this make any sense? It makes a ton of sense if you view the virus like second hand smoke. Second hand smoke can be dangerous outdoors, but it's a hell of a lot more dangerous indoors.

But, literally everything else has? :lamo

The BKMatard rallies didn't spread the virus, but eleven people going to church will infect thousands.

Can you people hear yourselves? :lamo

 

[Schism]

There would be a lot less of this junk floating around if everybody wore a mask.

I don't know. I suppose it's possible. I think it's a placebo to calm fears.

I have serious doubts that these cloth masks everyone is wearing are very effective, nor do I believe 6 feet is an effective distance.

If you can smell food or perfume through a mask, you can inhale COVID droplets. Add to that the problem of American self-centeredness, and you see in the grocery store how people invade your space to reach for something, get near you when you're reading a label, or whatever.

Somewhere between total isolation and normal activity is a relatively safe pandemic policy. If this were ebola, would you trust the current guidelines?

 

[Mithros]

But, literally everything else has? :lamo

The BKMatard rallies didn't spread the virus, but eleven people going to church will infect thousands.

Can you people hear yourselves? :lamo

EXACTLY! Not many people die from second hand smoke outside.

 

[Craig234]

Did anyone say it couldn't? The question is how virulent it is when transmitted through the air.

Evidence shows that for transmission by air you need a rather high concentration in the air, such as you would see in public mass transit, or a hospital setting.

The question I think most people are answering for themselves is whether the price for avoidance is too high. I think for the large number of people the cost to quality of life and livelihood outweighs the risk of infection when they are a healthy individual under the age of 65. It's an individual decision in the same way protesters are weighing the risk to their health from visiting autonomous zones, protesting on major highways, and mobbing counter protesters who might be armed.

Yes, people have said it couldn't. It isn't just about their health, it's about the risk they pose to others, and stopping the spread. So, no, it's not just an individual decision.

 

[joko104]

This is another reason why masks are 100% worthless and even harmful.

Masks do not restrict breathing out or breathing in covid-19. In low UV light settings, any virus can float in the air still viable for a very long time. The 6 foot rule was made up out of thin air. No, virus are not made of lead, instantly crashing to the floor dead.

This is how well a mask blocks virus from getting into the air when a person exhales:

Any virus in the smoke will remain in the air, viable, for hours. If indoors where there is little UV light, for days. The cooler and lower the UV light, the longer it remains viable.

 

[joko104]

Yes, people have said it couldn't. It isn't just about their health, it's about the risk they pose to others, and stopping the spread. So, no, it's not just an individual decision.

Obviously you are wrong. It is the individual decision of each of 20,000 mayors, thousands of county executive officers and 50 governors because the major of our city of 1,500 people is THE greatest scientist on viruses and pandemics in the world. They all are. So is every governor. NO one knows more about viruses and pandemics than the governor of Texas, New York and Florida. No one knows more than our mayor. No one knows more than any mayor.

 

[apdst]

EXACTLY! Not many people die from second hand smoke outside.

Then closing the beaches was stupid and Mardi Gras had nothing to do with New Orleans becoming a huge hot spot. :lamo

 

[Lursa]

I don't know. I suppose it's possible. I think it's a placebo to calm fears.

Why would they want to calm fears of leaving your house when they still want you to stay home as much as possible?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Schism]

Why would they want to calm fears of leaving your house when they still want you to stay home as much as possible?

Is that why they opened the beaches and state parks? Is that why NYC never even closed mass transit except for one day to clean up?

Is that why Lowe's and Home Depot were considered "essential"?

 

[Lursa]

Is that why they opened the beaches and state parks? Is that why NYC never even closed mass transit except for one day to clean up?

Is that why Lowe's and Home Depot were considered "essential"?

Political pressure. How is that not obvious? They're writing about that constantly. And closing them again...due to 'reality'.

Parks are a bit different if people arent gathered altogether like on beaches and all the concessions, etc. But since it's difficult to be specific about which 'parts' of a park are 'ok,' like trails, they are just open or closed.

And some businesses have shown that they can provide good measures for SD, like Costco, Walmart, the stores you mentioned. What, does it have to be all or nothing with you? How many other nit picky examples do you want to bring up. IMO, when they left auto mechanics open, it's BS...but this was all new and reactive. There was no plan in place. Mistakes were made. Do you want us to continue making mistakes or learn from them?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[Gaius46]

Is that why they opened the beaches and state parks? Is that why NYC never even closed mass transit except for one day to clean up?

Is that why Lowe's and Home Depot were considered "essential"?

NY didn’t close mass transit because that’s what medical professionals and emergency service workers and other required workers need to get to work. Lots of people in NYC do not own cars.

During the pandemic the average daily ridership was about 370,000. On an average non-pandemic day it’s about 5.5 million so that’s about 6% of normal volume give or take. The subway was closed in all but name.

I can easily see why HD might be essential. If you spring a leak in your house and need parts what are you gonna do? Go without water until Amazon delivers? HD stores are huge so it’d be easy to distance people and likely safer than having someone come to your home.

 

[Schism]

NY didn’t close mass transit because that’s what medical professionals and emergency service workers and other required workers need to get to work. Lots of people in NYC do not own cars.

During the pandemic the average daily ridership was about 370,000. On an average non-pandemic day it’s about 5.5 million so that’s about 6% of normal volume give or take. The subway was closed in all but name.

I can easily see why HD might be essential. If you spring a leak in your house and need parts what are you gonna do? Go without water until Amazon delivers? HD stores are huge so it’d be easy to distance people and likely safer than having someone come to your home.

All good excuses to not stay home. I didn't think they meant it either.

 

[Schism]

Political pressure. How is that not obvious? They're writing about that constantly. And closing them again...due to 'reality'.

Parks are a bit different if people arent gathered altogether like on beaches and all the concessions, etc. But since it's difficult to be specific about which 'parts' of a park are 'ok,' like trails, they are just open or closed.

And some businesses have shown that they can provide good measures for SD, like Costco, Walmart, the stores you mentioned. What, does it have to be all or nothing with you? How many other nit picky examples do you want to bring up. IMO, when they left auto mechanics open, it's BS...but this was all new and reactive. There was no plan in place. Mistakes were made. Do you want us to continue making mistakes or learn from them?

All good excuses not to stay home. I didn't think they meant it either.

But it sounded sincere.

 

[Lursa]

All good excuses not to stay home. I didn't think they meant it either.

But it sounded sincere.

Those arent good excuses for anything.

Were you ever going to give a direct answer to this?

Why would they want to calm fears of leaving your house when they still want you to stay home as much as possible?​

Your current shifting of the discussion did not.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

 

[beefheart]

I really think there is no covid-19. That is why the hospitals were empty, the numbers were manipulated, people who didn't die of covid-19 did get covid-19 on their death certificate etc,
This alll because this is not about health at all, it is only about control.

What a stupid post.

 

[jmotivator]

Yes, people have said it couldn't. It isn't just about their health, it's about the risk they pose to others, and stopping the spread. So, no, it's not just an individual decision.

Who said it couldn't? I have seen reported studies that have found that the virus' most virulent transmission is through touch, and that the air born transmission is a weaker vector and that hasn't changed.

 

[Gaius46]

All good excuses to not stay home. I didn't think they meant it either.

That’s really a nonsensical statement. Want to try again with something substantial?

 

[Manc Skipper]

One of the main " weapons" against the virus is a mask to reduce the level of airborne infection. It's no surprise that a lung infection (and other organs) is caught by breathing it in. From the surrounding air!

 

[Craig234]

Who said it couldn't?

Just a couple examples:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/qa/is-the-coronavirus-airborne

They Say Coronavirus Isn'''t Airborne—but It'''s Definitely Borne By Air | WIRED

There has been some misinformation.

 

[iguanaman]

No, even the ones who die from it....the sooner they're off the taxpayer's teet, the better.

it's why I'm not worried about over-population. We'll have a plague or a war or something to thin the numbers out. Mother Nature always balances the scales.

Yes and that is why Trump has done nothing to stop it's spread. He has appointed himself mother natures little helper. Are you going to join the cause?

 

[Schism]

Those arent good excuses for anything.

They're the excuses you provided.

Were you ever going to give a direct answer to this?

Why would they want to calm fears of leaving your house when they still want you to stay home as much as possible?​

Because they knew you'd leave your house anyways based on all the excuses you provided.

The grocery store is open. The liquor store and weed dispensaries are essential business. Must not be too serious.

 

[Schism]

That’s really a nonsensical statement. Want to try again with something substantial?

You went to Lowe's to look at tools. Must be business as usual, except wear a mask and stay 6 feet away.

I'm sure you're fully protected, what with all that cloth and distance protecting you.

 

[iguanaman]

Who said it couldn't? I have seen reported studies that have found that the virus' most virulent transmission is through touch, and that the air born transmission is a weaker vector and that hasn't changed.

Yes all that touchy feelly stuff in bars is the culprit all right.. They just can't keep their hands of each other...

Everything you love about your neighborhood bar — the ambience, the crowds, the music, the free-flowing alcohol — makes it the ideal place to catch Covid-19.

Around the country, bars are becoming a common source of coronavirus outbreaks. In Louisiana, at least 100 people tested positive for the virus after visiting bars in the Tigerland district, a popular destination for Louisiana State University students. In Idaho, health officials shut down bars in Ada County after reporting clusters of infections among young adults who had visited several bars in downtown Boise.

And several Florida bars are the source of large outbreaks. In Jacksonville Beach, a group of 16 friends went to a pub to celebrate a birthday — and within days all 16 tested positive for Covid-19.

A Virus Walks Into a Bar … - The New York Times

 

[jmotivator]

Just a couple examples:

Is the coronavirus airborne?

They Say Coronavirus Isn'''t Airborne—but It'''s Definitely Borne By Air | WIRED

There has been some misinformation.

Quote from first source:

"Transmission of COVID-19 occurs primarily through aerosolized respiratory droplets which can spread the virus and can cause infection in others."

Your second source quotes similar statements which are all true. COVID-19 is aersolized, but the primary infection vector comes from aerosol droplets that are too heavy to float landing on other people or surfaces, and those droplets getting transferred to the mouth or eyes from your hands, OR being transferred from the hand of an infected person to a surface or hands of another person. The point of a mask if to catch those droplets as they leave an infected person's mouth or nose.

What this says is that the masks help, but the most important prophylactic against catching COVID-19 is washing your hands frequently and avoiding touching your face in public.

Saying that air born transmission isn't the primary concern isn't misinformation, it's just the truth.