Women are Angry, Temporarily Powerful—and Very, Very Dangerous

[xMathFanx]

(even if xMathFanx thinks female rapists are everywhere on the rampage).

This is unwarranted & highly unreasonable misrepresentation. My argument is that the highly expansionist definition of "rape"/"sexual assault"/"sexual harassment" is fundamentally flawed product of "Concept Creeps" & is highly problematic (to say the least) There are not female nor male rapists "everywhere on the rampage"--this is highly alarmist and "Crying Wolf" to an unacceptably high degree. That is the concept/notion behind this entire thread and Cultural/popular discussion.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

No--I don't "seem to want to use its existence to minimise the experience of female rape victims". You actually have argued for a blatant double-standard--on an issue that is highly significant (to say the least).

Also, your bit about "female on male rape is not an everyday occurrence" is not valid if you are using the same criteria governing "consent" as is the case for women--I have already sited the statistics here (I suppose you simply didn't bother to look at it). Also, if you're not using the same criteria, than that would obviously make you massive hypocrite--so which one is it?

You simply need to re-read my posts to know my position. We're going round in circles.

I don't believe in blanket policies on such a difficult issue, so no I don't agree with the alcohol scenario that it's always rape for a woman and never rape for a man. So no, I don't agree with what you say is US college policy.

My work has brought me into contact with rape victims and in the distant past I did rape crisis work on a voluntary basis. I came accross many female rape victims (all male on female) and some male rape victims (all male on male). I know female on female rape exists but I never saw it and all the reserach would suggest it's not as widespread as male on female or male on male. I don't deny that female on male rape exists, but again I never saw it and I have never seen any academic texts or empirical evidence to suggest that it is widespread. I have seen journalistic anecdotal evidence only, hence I don't believe it's a s widespread as you say. Please provide academic texts if you have them - I'm always open to being proved wring if that's the case! OF COURSE IT IS JUST AS SERIOUS AS ANY OTHER RAPE and forgive me if I got you wrong on your attitude toward female rape victims. My real beef here is with truthatallcosts and his sheer hypocrisy. When the perpetrator's a muslim he's all for kicking ass against rapists and grooming gangs, but in any other scenario we bitches need to be more consuiderate to men's needs and just spread 'em.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

This is unwarranted & highly unreasonable misrepresentation. My argument is that the highly expansionist definition of "rape"/"sexual assault"/"sexual harassment" is fundamentally flawed product of "Concept Creeps" & is highly problematic (to say the least) There are not female nor male rapists "everywhere on the rampage"--this is highly alarmist and "Crying Wolf" to an unacceptably high degree. That is the concept/notion behind this entire thread and Cultural/popular discussion.

I was being ironic. Not appropriate perhaps in such a serious debate - apologies.

 

[xMathFanx]

I don't believe in blanket policies on such a difficult issue, so no I don't agree with the alcohol scenario that it's always rape for a woman and never rape for a man. So no, I don't agree with what you say is US college policy.

Do you understand why such a policy from a Young Man's perspective is highly-alarming at best & by its very existence/nature tends to throw guys into the M-F dynamics popular culture debate concerning "Feminism" (and why many guys my age have a very, very negative view of Neo-Feminism indeed based upon policies such as this)? That is, ultimately, this is greatly hurting the Women's Advocacy movement as well because extreme policy positions will and have begun to back-fire and "Poison the Well" of the popular conception of the movement as a whole. I think we are definitely in need of a Women's Advocacy Movement in our current society, however Neo-Feminism has really hijacked the movement to the detriment of both Women & Men alike (in different ways).

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Do you understand why such a policy from a Young Man's perspective is highly-alarming at best & by its very existence/nature tends to throw guys into the M-F dynamics popular culture debate concerning "Feminism" (and why many guys my age have a very, very negative view of Neo-Feminism indeed based upon policies such as this)? That is, ultimately, this is greatly hurting the Women's Advocacy movement as well because extreme policy positions will and have begun to back-fire and "Poison the Well" of the popular conception of the movement as a whole. I think we are definitely in need of a Women's Advocacy Movement in our current society, however Neo-Feminism has really hijacked the movement to the detriment of both Women & Men alike (in different ways).

I understand such policies have a negative impact and as I say, I don't agree with such blanket policies.

I've lived through decades of feminism and no, I don't want to go back to the days of expecting men to cross the road every time they see a woman coming "in case" she thinks he might be a rapist. I don't want young men to be scared to approach girls they fancy, but at the same time I do want them to understand that it's not like in the porn films and that a girl accepting a date, a drink or a meal is not automatically accepting sex. And to approach the OP's point - she may be ready to experiment with oral but not to go any further - just like the boy. There needs to be no ambuguity over the fact that we've all, male and female, got the right to refuse.

Somebody above spoke of a pendulum, and maybe the pendulum swings and we get policies like this. I'm not defending the policy, but I do understand the pendulum swing. You have to realise that in rape crisis centres horads of raped women are dealt with and only a tiny minority of them ever get to court let alone see a conviction. That is perhaps why the penduum swings - it must and will swing back to the centre eventually.

 

[truthatallcost]

Sorry I'd forgotten. Sex isn't what two people do together, it's what men do to women. And you poor souls can't just go off and have a wank, you've got to rape the ungrateful bitch that doesn't think about YOUR needs. Come on girls, lets commiserate. We've all been soooo selfish.

I have a sex drive higher than most of the men I've been out with. I know how to use a vibro and I know how to use my fingers and I know that when my man says "I'm tired" or "I'm not up for it tonight" that the answer is NO.

Too many guys like you need a hearing test, or English lessons. Jeez, English isn't even my first language but I do no that "No" doesn't mean "yes". Perhaps you need to start again with the simple present tense. :roll:

This is all crazy ranting.

I'm not seriously going to reply to garbage like "you poor souls can't just go off and have a wank, you've got to rape the ungrateful bitch".

Nothing I've said here would in any way hint at me supporting rape.

Thank god for the new guy! I'll let him address the man hate currently floating around the room.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

This is all crazy ranting.

I'm not seriously going to reply to garbage like "you poor souls can't just go off and have a wank, you've got to rape the ungrateful bitch".

Nothing I've said here would in any way hint at me supporting rape.

Thank god for the new guy! I'll let him address the man hate currently floating around the room.

You have suggested that accepting an invitiation to somebody's home means that sex is inevitable.

You have suggested that acccepting oral sex means automatically accepting other types of sexual activity.

Then you say:

But you also know that men and women are very different when it comes to needing sexual release. I don't think you can relate to the feeling of being denied sexual release, because it's not the same thing for a woman.

If women took more time to learn about men's needs, they would be able to commiserate.

You realise your next rant against a gromming gang will be taken even less seriously. With attitudes like this? Jeez.

Yes, leave it to the other guy who's got something intelligent to say.

 

[truthatallcost]

You have suggested that accepting an invitiation to somebody's home means that sex is inevitable.

If I ask you to go to a restaurant, you will anticipate eating food.
If I ask you to go to a museum, you will anticipate seeing artwork.
If I ask you to go to my apartment with me.........yeah, I think you get it.

You have suggested that acccepting oral sex means automatically accepting other types of sexual activity.

Lie.

Then you say:




You realise your next rant against a gromming gang will be taken even less seriously. With attitudes like this? Jeez.

Yes, leave it to the other guy who's got something intelligent to say.

When did you ever take grooming gangs seriously? Never.
You've thrown a tantrum here over extremely minor things, while consistently excusing very serious gang rapes in the UK.

 

[Lursa]

But you also know that men and women are very different when it comes to needing sexual release. I don't think you can relate to the feeling of being denied sexual release, because it's not the same thing for a woman.

So then men cant control themselves, or just dont want to because "it's too hard" (pun intended)? Is that what you're saying?

Gee are you claiming men have a disadvantage? Are victims of their own desires? :doh

Women have plenty of disadvantages that men have been happy to abuse, like greater strength and the ability to force themselves on women.

A real man can control himself. Women believe this very positive thing about men. Unfortunately we end up seeing alot of lesser men who use their superior strength and manipulation to get laid.

So just let me know if you think men need that excuse, ok?

 

[Lursa]

You simply need to re-read my posts to know my position.

Pretty sure he doesnt do that to begin with. He just posts his high school paper by rote and cant really diverge from that. Anything else and he's shown no capability to actually respond to individual arguments.

He wants to badger you until you justify his pre-conceived theory...it's his agenda or no agenda.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

You've thrown a tantrum here over extremely minor things,

That is exactly how men justify sexual abuse

while consistently excusing very serious gang rapes in the UK.

No. I have attacked your Islamophobia but NEVER excused the behaviour of any rapist, muslim, jewish, christian or otherwise.
Find me the post where I have excused a rape gang. You can't.

 

[truthatallcost]

What I find interesting is this thread's title. So women are "temporarily powerful"? Does that mean that our usual state is powerlessness?

It's the 'assumed' state. I think we're supposed to "get over it" and then get back to the status quo.

Again...that pendulum.

It might benefit both of you to know where the title of my thread came from:

"Allegations against the comedian are proof that women are angry, temporarily powerful—and very, very dangerous.


by Caitlin Flanagan"

This thread's title comes from the title of the Atlantic article used as the basis for my OP. It was written by a woman, not a man.

 

[truthatallcost]

That is exactly how men justify sexual abuse



No. I have attacked your Islamophobia but NEVER excused the behaviour of any rapist, muslim, jewish, christian or otherwise.
Find me the post where I have excused a rape gang. You can't.

You and Lursa should open a Feminist Bookstore together. I can imagine it now.....

 

[Urethra Franklin]

You and Lursa should open a Feminist Bookstore together. I can imagine it now......

I doubt you have the first inkling of feminist theory.

Running a bookshop with Lursa would be fun. She's something you're not - smart.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

tl:dnr

Tldnr

Alright, this degeneracy stops right here. The proper format for an offhand dismissal of someones Great Wall o' Text is "Tl;dr." I suppose it's possible that contractions are one of those things that only 90's kids will remember, but the future waits for no one, least of all for a bunch of loony old squares that can't jive with modern jargon - ya dig, holmes? Anyway, it's "tl;dr" rather than "tldnr" or "tl;dnr" because it's shorthand for a word that's already contracted - the word, of course, being "didn't." Unless you abstain from contractions (which are awesome, by the way, they're like scientific notation for syllables), that "n" serves no purpose whatsoever in that phrase.

 

[Lursa]

Alright, this degeneracy stops right here. The proper format for an offhand dismissal of someones Great Wall o' Text is "Tl;dr." I suppose it's possible that contractions are one of those things that only 90's kids will remember, but the future waits for no one, least of all for a bunch of loony old squares that can't jive with modern jargon - ya dig, holmes? Anyway, it's "tl;dr" rather than "tldnr" or "tl;dnr" because it's shorthand for a word that's already contracted - the word, of course, being "didn't." Unless you abstain from contractions (which are awesome, by the way, they're like scientific notation for syllables), that "n" serves no purpose whatsoever in that phrase.

LOL

Yes sir!

 

[Lursa]

You and Lursa should open a Feminist Bookstore together. I can imagine it now.....

I'm not even a particularly strong feminist...I never had to be, the generation before me did the heavy lifting and I'm no man hater. The fact that you are incapable of reading my posts without a dark filter of personal bias and not seeing what I wrote but what 'you imagine I feel' is a good indication of how poorly you manage to evaluate information in general. You likey: you swallow it whole. You dont likey: you just derp derp by rote all your rigidly entrenched agenda talking points.

Didnt watch the video, btw.

 

[truthatallcost]

I doubt you have the first inkling of feminist theory.

Running a bookshop with Lursa would be fun. She's something you're not - smart.

Did you like the video?

 

[Abbazorkzog]

This is nonsensical hysteria.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

Did you like the video?

Didn't bother watching it.

 

[truthatallcost]

I feel like I'm coming down with the centuries of pain that a poster mentioned previously. It must be contagious.

 

[Lursa]

But you also know that men and women are very different when it comes to needing sexual release. I don't think you can relate to the feeling of being denied sexual release, because it's not the same thing for a woman.

If women took more time to learn about men's needs, they would be able to commiserate.

So...more of the 'men are victims' BS?

Men have hands, right?

The ultimate in irony: women should commiserate with blue balls but where is anyone commiserating with women suffering thru 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth for a kid she cant take care of? Oh, that's right, it's all her fault, so she deserves it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Alright, this degeneracy stops right here. The proper format for an offhand dismissal of someones Great Wall o' Text is "Tl;dr." I suppose it's possible that contractions are one of those things that only 90's kids will remember, but the future waits for no one, least of all for a bunch of loony old squares that can't jive with modern jargon - ya dig, holmes? Anyway, it's "tl;dr" rather than "tldnr" or "tl;dnr" because it's shorthand for a word that's already contracted - the word, of course, being "didn't." Unless you abstain from contractions (which are awesome, by the way, they're like scientific notation for syllables), that "n" serves no purpose whatsoever in that phrase.

How about using the tl;dr tag sparingly, as in almost not at all.
True, sometimes a person might want to try enhancing their communication and writing skills so that the reader is drawn in, and wants to read their wall o'text. A well written response is like a well written essay, you don't mind that it engages you for a while, because it's time well spent, even if you don't agree with their premise.

But just tossing out a fusillade of "tl;dr" in rapidfire succession is the sign of a diminished attention span.
Don't be proud of that, or even smug. Props to Jesse Booth for a chuckle, I can almost see your indignant snort: "This degeneracy!!"
How DARE they soil the millennial meme so unthinkingly?
You almost need a monacle and some spats to say that.

 

[CLAX1911]

So...more of the 'men are victims' BS?

I think he's talking about feminist arrogance and self centeredness. Society listens to problems women face, we change our laws and go through extraordinary measures to remedy the problems. Men are mocked.

Men have hands, right?

The ultimate in irony: women should commiserate with blue balls but where is anyone commiserating with women suffering thru 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth for a kid she cant take care of?

Men do show sympathy for women during pregnancy, hell, I show it for ladies having menstruation cycles. Or even feelings they have walking down streets in dangerous areas. in fact I've often thought about getting together with my lady friends and teaching self defence methods.

Its not something I can empathise with because I'm a man and I can never know some of those experiences. That doesn't mean I can't sympathise. I don't understand I never will, I or any man never can, all we can do is listen.

Society listens, we've made women and pregnancy protected classes. We've even made abortion a right.

I dont think there is much more we can do.

It seems only fair to ask that of women. You can't possibly understand a man's experiance.

Oh, that's right, it's all her fault, so she deserves it.

If I could bear a child I would in a heart beat. Your sex is lucky, men will never understand the experience of growing a child within. I'd happily take the risks and pain. I've always wanted to be a parent.

 

[SDET]

So...more of the 'men are victims' BS?

Men have hands, right?

The ultimate in irony: women should commiserate with blue balls but where is anyone commiserating with women suffering thru 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth for a kid she cant take care of? Oh, that's right, it's all her fault, so she deserves it.

Numerous illiterate women in places like the slums of Calcutta or Nairobi manage to have successful pregnancies and take care of their kids. One has to wonder how American women can be outclassed by third world slum dwellers.