Will you be voting to reelect Trump?

[Greenbeard]

A "massive failure"? Do you have any examples besides the fact you don't like him?
Before you answer, are you going to blame Trump for the 130,000 deaths in this country from the virus?
Are you going to blame him for the governors of the big states opening up too soon, like California?

Where has there been failure? A little more than just Democratic talking points, please.

He spent three years dismantling global disease surveillance and pandemic preparedness, as well as hamstringing our ability to respond to any such outbreaks.

Then when the outbreak happened, he did nothing to act. Nothing to ramp up production of PPE, nothing to protect the supply chain, nothing to get in place the infrastructure to trace and isolate cases, nothing to coordinate a national response. Instead, he downplayed it, lied about its potential impacts, and promised it would magically go away. Leaving state-level economic shutdowns the nation's last and only line of defense. Meanwhile, his government continued lying about testing and PPE capacity, actively hijacking medical supply shipments procured by states and localities to try and paper over the failed federal response. He demanded states "LIBERATE!" and reopen prematurely, he stupidly and cynically made mask-wearing a Culture War issue, and even now he's pushing schools to ignore CDC guidance to reopen regardless of local conditions.

And here we are, gasping for air and gingerly trying to open back up. And this administration still hasn't done anything to put in place the infrastructure needed mitigate the virus until a vaccine is developed. Meanwhile, Trump is in court trying to strip tens of millions of people of health insurance coverage and make a COVID infection a pre-existing condition that forever restricts access to coverage.

The economic disaster is a direct result of the public health disaster that this administration was woefully unequipped to manage.

The Trump experiment has been a massive, unmitigated failure that's cost over a hundred thousand lives and left our entire economy on the brink of disaster. There is zero argument for continuing this calamity for four more years of suffering.

 

[Helix]

Great ad hominem attacks. Will they be worth anything in November?
I take it you don't live in one of the fly over states that will benefit from having an Electoral College and not the popular vote deciding who will be president.

I see you are labeled as an Independent. So you're leaving yourself open to vote for Trump.
That's what Independents do, don't they? They don't take a stand until the very end, right?

I'll put my voting record up against any independent. However, the Trumpist party has lost its mother****ing mind. That's about as nicely as I can put it. I am going to vote against that.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Brad Parscale already knows who you are so he is not counting on your vote.
I should care about Trump's failed businesses.?
The business of America is business and Trump has the most experience in that realm.
Does Biden?

The most bankruptcy experience you mean and he is bankrupting the nation. Both morally and financially. How's that beautiful, wonderful, outstanding brand new healthcare plan coming along?

 

[BrotherFease]

In terms of what? Are you taking the unexpected pandemic into consideration?
Are you dumping that on Trump?

It's a pretty straight forward question. Is your state of being better or worse than it was in 2016? I know mine isn't. Work furloughed me.

Trump doesn't get immunity here for the virus. It was HIS decision to disband the panic response team. It was HIS decision to not wear a mask and hold rallies without mandating mask wearing or social distancing. He admitted to slowing down the tests. He was the one who asked about injecting cleaning products into someone's system. He was the one that is threatening to defund schools if they do not fully open. Infections are going downward all across the world. Ours is skyrocketing. Poor leadership is to blame here.

 

[BrotherFease]

He spent three years dismantling global disease surveillance and pandemic preparedness, as well as hamstringing our ability to respond to any such outbreaks.

Then when the outbreak happened, he did nothing to act. Nothing to ramp up production of PPE, nothing to protect the supply chain, nothing to get in place the infrastructure to trace and isolate cases, nothing to coordinate a national response. Instead, he downplayed it, lied about its potential impacts, and promised it would magically go away. Leaving state-level economic shutdowns the nation's last and only line of defense. Meanwhile, his government continued lying about testing and PPE capacity, actively hijacking medical supply shipments procured by states and localities to try and paper over the failed federal response. He demanded states "LIBERATE!" and reopen prematurely, he stupidly and cynically made mask-wearing a Culture War issue, and even now he's pushing schools to ignore CDC guidance to reopen regardless of local conditions.

And here we are, gasping for air and gingerly trying to open back up. And this administration still hasn't done anything to put in place the infrastructure needed mitigate the virus until a vaccine is developed. Meanwhile, Trump is in court trying to strip tens of millions of people of health insurance coverage and make a COVID infection a pre-existing condition that forever restricts access to coverage.

The economic disaster is a direct result of the public health disaster that this administration was woefully unequipped to manage.

The Trump experiment has been a massive, unmitigated failure that's cost over a hundred thousand lives and left our entire economy on the brink of disaster. There is zero argument for continuing this calamity for four more years of suffering.

100% correct. The public knows he messed up. He wasn't prepared for pandemics. This is why he's at 57% disapprove and statistically tied in Texas with Sleepy Joe.

 

[MaryP]

I'll be voting against Republicans for the foreseeable future. This **** was just way too much.

Sometimes I feel the same way. I think though that we just need to hold accountable the Repubs who parroted him and stayed silent when he was dead wrong. A lot of Republicans are okay; actually, a lot of them walked, didn't they? There is only so much they could do once they allowed him the nomination. Once he's gone, I think there will be a lot of mea culpas.

 

[Perotista]

Seriously, do you think 4 more years of Trump will bring us prosperity? Ask yourself how many of those jobs have come back from China, is coal making a revival, has our infrastructure improved, are there fewer MX rapists on the street, ...? As far as I can tell, Trump's platform in moving forward is to destroy all who aren't loyal and blind. I think 4 more years of Trump will bring us 4 more years of the same shtuff, probably even worse. Wouldn't it be nice to be debating something like whether we should fund a mars mission rather arguing about who should be locked up?

I'm all in favor of funding a Mars mission. In fact once we set foot on the Moon in 1969 I figured we'd have a moon base ten years after than and the beginnings of a colony on Mars in 20 years. Boy, was I wrong.

As for Trump, I don't like having a president who behaves like a four year old spoiled brat complete with temper tantrum throwing, name calling, acting like the schoolyard bully. It's time to be rid childish behavior type president and elect an adult. At least someone who knows how to act presidential with the dignity the office deserves along with respecting the office of the president.

 

[Helix]

Sometimes I feel the same way. I think though that we just need to hold accountable the Repubs who parroted him and stayed silent when he was dead wrong. A lot of Republicans are okay; actually, a lot of them walked, didn't they? There is only so much they could do once they allowed him the nomination. Once he's gone, I think there will be a lot of mea culpas.

you think so? i could use a bit of optimism. no joke.

 

[TurtleDude]

What conservative values gave us the worst Covid 19 response in the free world? We don't want those.

how much of that was caused by state governments? you tend to forget we have dual sovereignty in the USA which makes us VERY different than many other countries

 

[TurtleDude]

Truth, justice and the American way...Trump has now gone over 20K lies since being sworn in. How can you live with a pathological liar? Really, how can you? Is compulsive lying part of being a Conservative? Are you good with that? How about a President who only cares for himself, period. He doesn't give a rat's behind about you

Does Biden give a rats ass about me? I worry about the laws, the judges, the rulings and the agenda.

 

[TurtleDude]

Turtle, in case you haven't noticed, all those values you folks talk about that conservatives have, have all been shown to be crap. Fiscal conservatives, uh huh, huge tax cut for those who don't need it. Family values, uh huh, wife cheater, ***** grabber. Religious right, trump wouldn't know what to do in a church beside run his mouth. Personal responsibility, righto, make sure to give a free pass to people who can put your arse in jail. What other values am I missing?

Own the libs, that's what it's all about even if it means cutting your own throat.

who determines who needs a tax cut? socialists who hate the rich? envious whiners who complain about anyone doing better than they are?

 

[upsideguy]

If we reelect Trump, will we receive masters or PHDs from Trump U?

No, Trump doesn't do graduate work, it requires reading.... Actually Trump University is where most of his supporters got their BS.

 

[TurtleDude]

No, Trump doesn't do graduate work, it requires reading.... Actually Trump University is where most of his supporters got their BS.

do you have any proof of that stupid claim?

 

[concernedpuma]

Seriously, do you think 4 more years of Trump will bring us prosperity? Ask yourself how many of those jobs have come back from China, is coal making a revival, has our infrastructure improved, are there fewer MX rapists on the street, ...? As far as I can tell, Trump's platform in moving forward is to destroy all who aren't loyal and blind. I think 4 more years of Trump will bring us 4 more years of the same shtuff, probably even worse. Wouldn't it be nice to be debating something like whether we should fund a mars mission rather arguing about who should be locked up?

Perhaps you are right. The Democratic platform as presented promises to increase taxes on the rich, who by the way, are employers. That seems a childish approach to math. If you want to kill jobs, the resultant income tax and social engagement, vote for those who see the least of society as being the most important element of it!
How is it that those who contribute the least and drain the finances of those who are genuinely working to build a life, are now the most important part of society?
Feel sorry and throw cash to panhandlers if you choose, but don't in any way forget how you got the money. If you feel you are overcompensated for what you do, the United Way or other social shaming organization will be happy to take your over spill! I earned everything I have and being a true member of the social order, expect the same from others!
Regards,
CP

 

[upsideguy]

do you have any proof of that stupid claim?

Seriously? It was a quip. Too many people have bought his BS.

That said, most of his supporters have fundamentally become cultists, checking their brains at the door and swallowing his BS lock, stock and barrel. While I thought America was smarter than this, I guess I was wrong. I should have deferred to the wisdom of H.L. Mencken, eh?

 

[concernedpuma]

Seriously? It was a quip. Too many people have bought his BS.

That said, most of his supporters have fundamentally become cultists, checking their brains at the door and swallowing his BS lock, stock and barrel. While I thought America was smarter than this, I guess I was wrong. I should have deferred to the wisdom of H.L. Mencken, eh?

Oh yes. There is some brain checking going on. It isn't with the people who live life, it is with those who study it as though it were a petri dish. I don't care what the statistics say, as to why I am being held up, I am just selfish enough to want to hold on to what I worked to get! Anyone who doesn't want to hold onto their possession's holds an internal storm off guilt that is theirs alone and ought not be projected!
Regards,
CP

 

[jaypatriot]

How do you "spin" this?

White House turns on Fauci as disaster grows out of aggressive state openings - CNNPolitics

Trump is fighting for his political life. I don't think he will be successful in getting schools to open in August or September.
And I don't believe he will be successful in besmirching Fauci's good name. Fauci's got too many years of credibility under his belt to be ruined by Trump. Trump can't even fire Fauci.

 

[jaypatriot]

Wake up Norman. President Obama commuted sentences primarily of people serving decades long nonviolent drug convictions after they had been in prison for decades. Anus tangerinus commuted a guy convicted of 7 felonies by a jury of his peers before he put foot in prison. Does it matter to you that those felonies directly related to charges protecting 45 from authorized investigations? I didn't think so...

Somehow I feel more comfortable freeing individuals convicted by the opposition party than I feel about hundreds of people convicted of drug related charges being let back onto the streets.
You're not concerned about those convicted of drug related felonies being let out of prison but you incensed over seeing Trump's cronies set free.

 

[TurtleDude]

Somehow I feel more comfortable freeing individuals convicted by the opposition party than I feel about hundreds of people convicted of drug related charges being let back onto the streets.
You're not concerned about those convicted of drug related felonies being let out of prison but you incensed over seeing Trump's cronies set free.

I wonder if he was upset when Clinton gave Marc Rich a Pardon-not a commutation-but a Pardon, after Rich's wife made massive donations to Democrats.

 

[jaypatriot]

He spent three years dismantling global disease surveillance and pandemic preparedness, as well as hamstringing our ability to respond to any such outbreaks.

Then when the outbreak happened, he did nothing to act. Nothing to ramp up production of PPE, nothing to protect the supply chain, nothing to get in place the infrastructure to trace and isolate cases, nothing to coordinate a national response. Instead, he downplayed it, lied about its potential impacts, and promised it would magically go away. Leaving state-level economic shutdowns the nation's last and only line of defense. Meanwhile, his government continued lying about testing and PPE capacity, actively hijacking medical supply shipments procured by states and localities to try and paper over the failed federal response. He demanded states "LIBERATE!" and reopen prematurely, he stupidly and cynically made mask-wearing a Culture War issue, and even now he's pushing schools to ignore CDC guidance to reopen regardless of local conditions.

And here we are, gasping for air and gingerly trying to open back up. And this administration still hasn't done anything to put in place the infrastructure needed mitigate the virus until a vaccine is developed. Meanwhile, Trump is in court trying to strip tens of millions of people of health insurance coverage and make a COVID infection a pre-existing condition that forever restricts access to coverage.

The economic disaster is a direct result of the public health disaster that this administration was woefully unequipped to manage.

The Trump experiment has been a massive, unmitigated failure that's cost over a hundred thousand lives and left our entire economy on the brink of disaster. There is zero argument for continuing this calamity for four more years of suffering.

You could very well get your wish.
And, for the record, I do not believe Trump is complicit in costing the lives of over 100,000 people and left the economy on the brink of disaster. You conveniently forget Trump has not control over what governors do (like Cuomo in NY) to protect their citizens. You hate Trump; you want him to fail. So you perpetuate the narrative that he is responsible for over 100K deaths and the destruction of the economy.
Nice try. But he is not king and we don't have a dictator.
You're preaching to your own choir. You are here because you hate Trump - nothing more ; nothing less.

 

[jaypatriot]

It's a pretty straight forward question. Is your state of being better or worse than it was in 2016? I know mine isn't. Work furloughed me.

Trump doesn't get immunity here for the virus. It was HIS decision to disband the panic response team. It was HIS decision to not wear a mask and hold rallies without mandating mask wearing or social distancing. He admitted to slowing down the tests. He was the one who asked about injecting cleaning products into someone's system. He was the one that is threatening to defund schools if they do not fully open. Infections are going downward all across the world. Ours is skyrocketing. Poor leadership is to blame here.

How can Trump madate anything in a state? By what authority? There are no federal laws regarding wearing masks or social distancing or washing hands. That is up to the states to enforce -- or not. The Feds issue guidelines but cannot legally enforce them. You're another one who would like for Trump to be king so you can blame him for all that goes wrong in a state.
Trump is not going to gain leverage by threatening to withhold 10 percent of school budgets.
It's a shame you are one of the ones who still believes some of the crap Trump spouts - like drinking fishtank cleaner; like slowing up testing to make his numbers look better (that no one followed).
You are drinking the Kool Aid if you are believing all that he says. Sad.
I know. You think, "If you can't believe the president, then just who can you believe?".

 

[BrotherFease]

How can Trump madate anything in a state? By what authority? There are no federal laws regarding wearing masks or social distancing or washing hands. That is up to the states to enforce -- or not. The Feds issue guidelines but cannot legally enforce them. You're another one who would like for Trump to be king so you can blame him for all that goes wrong in a state.
Trump is not going to gain leverage by threatening to withhold 10 percent of school budgets.
It's a shame you are one of the ones who still believes some of the crap Trump spouts - like drinking fishtank cleaner; like slowing up testing to make his numbers look better (that no one followed).
You are drinking the Kool Aid if you are believing all that he says. Sad.
I know. You think, "If you can't believe the president, then just who can you believe?".

He could have set an example, by wearing a mask. He could have not held rallies and got his "friend" Herman Cain sick.

He could have not disbanded the pandemic response team or not reduced the amount of tests.

He loves to issue executive orders, but some how doesn't feel people should be wearing masks or social distance.

He could have held a meeting with all the governors and come up with a pact, for the safety and security of the nation.

He could have refrained from being mean and nasty, and acted nice and calm during times of crisis.

But no. That's not what happened. He showed POOR leadership. That's the reality. There's no way around that. Trump's ignorance cost American lives. This is reflective in the polls.

 

[tres borrachos]

I can't wait to vote for the Democratic candidate in 2020 for the first time in my life. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 and 4 years later I'm even smarter than I was then. I won't vote for him in 2020. I also won't vote for the first time in my life for the Republican House and Senate candidates. The Republican Party is dead to me.

 

[switt]

I'm all in favor of funding a Mars mission. In fact once we set foot on the Moon in 1969 I figured we'd have a moon base ten years after than and the beginnings of a colony on Mars in 20 years. Boy, was I wrong.

As for Trump, I don't like having a president who behaves like a four year old spoiled brat complete with temper tantrum throwing, name calling, acting like the schoolyard bully. It's time to be rid childish behavior type president and elect an adult. At least someone who knows how to act presidential with the dignity the office deserves along with respecting the office of the president.

You must be similar age as me. We were going to the moon and looking toward going to mars. My 20yr old daughter heard 'Rocket Man' on the radio and didn't understand what the song was about. Trump can't get us all on the same page about anything, in fact, he derives his power from exactly the opposite. You need not look any further than this thread to see that.

 

[jakiejakester]

He might be a complete moron to you but he bested 16 other top Republicans; won the necessary primaries to get nominated; and then beat the Anointed Queen when everyone thought he would lose.
How many morons do you know who could do that?
Is that what you hate about him ? He was a better politician than Hillary the Witch who has been in politics for 40 years?

I hate Trump for who he is, what he's done as President and for his complete lack of empathy not too mention his mental illness = pathological liar