Will Bloomberg be the nominee?

[Surrealistik]

They are counting on Democrats like you.

They're counting on Democrats like me to do what exactly? Defeat their anointed candidates that'll safeguard their cushy positions of power within the party and maintain continuity?

These clowns couldn't play two dimensional checkers to save their lives, nevermind three dimensional chess.

 

[Herkamer63]

The impeachment/trial sucked all the oxygen out of the Democratic Primary election debates and candidates campaigns, plus grounded the 3 Democratic senators still in the election - the only legitimate candidates they had. This cut a clear path for Michael Bloomberg, who claims Elizabeth Warren talking about breaking up the 2 largest monopolies on earth (Amazon and Google) makes her "too radical.' You'll never hear Bloomberg criticizing any fellow mega billionaire or mega billion dollar corporation. According to Bloomberg, the 14th richest man on earth, all the other Democrats for president are "too radical" for promising universal healthcare, free college, erasing student debts etc.

The DNC just changed their rules for the debate exclusively to get Bloomberg, a 77 year old white male New York moderate Republican, into the debates. The MSM and press - all now entirely owned by Bloomberg's fellow mega billionaires and mega billion dollar corporations - has attacked all Democratic candidates except for Bloomberg, for which there has not been one major critical story.

Will Michael Bloomberg be the Democratic Party's nominee? In my opinion this is very likely. Sanders will be used to prove Bloomberg isn't "too radical" like Sanders and all the other Democratic candidates like Bloomberg claims.

(SORRY, won't let me put up a poll or I messed up). But it is somewhat a yes or no question. I say yes, unless someone else maybe gets in it.)

Doubtful Bloomberg will be nominated. All people have to do is look up and see his comments about Xi Jinping and how he's not a dictator nor oppressive, and his record of his time as NYC's mayor, tagging on all those regulations and penalties. You also have to take into account that the Democrat party has moved so far Left that anyone seen as moderate to the voting base is considered Right wing extremists, and that's no longer a minority of the base but rather the majority. Even if Bloomberg got nominated, he'll lose against Trump. The economy is doing well and the guy wants to undo the policies that made it that way. So yeah, highly doubt Bloomberg will get it.

 

[Perotista]

When Warren said she would break up the 2 largest monopolies in the history of earth - Amazon and Google - the billionaires and mega millionaires immediately decided she was "too radical."

The Democrats in Congress decide all US Democratic Senators are too radical, so used the impeachment trial timed exactly to silence them during the Iowa and New Hamshire primaries, so the only voice people were constantly hearing was Bloomberg, while the DNC changed the rules specifically for Bloomberg.

They want the election to come down to Bloomberg versus Sanders, with Joe Biden the Plan B. This way the Democratic Party has protected the wealthiest people and companies on earth for all the "radical" Democrats running for Congress talking about taking their money. Sanders will make Bloomberg seem "moderate."

Possible, but for Bloomberg to win, he's going to have to begin attracting some support from blacks. I also noticed the DNC changed their debate rules all of a sudden. I was never in favor of the rules to begin with to qualify for the debates as I prefer natural drop outs. Let all into the debates. The DNC and democratic state party leaders did jury rig the primaries in Hillary's favor in 2016. Come 2020, it seems the DNC is once again pulling shenanigans with the primary process. Once the rules are in place, stick with them until the next election. Don't change them in midstream. My opinion anyway.

 

[Surrealistik]

I agree... if Sanders does win Iowa and New Hampshire, the nomination is his.... like I said earlier, it all boils down to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina - whoever wins any 2 out of those 3 will be the presumptive nominee come Super Tuesday. By the time Bloomberg's strength starts showing up, it'll already be over. New Hampshire is Sanders' to lose... South Carolina is Biden's.... so essentially whoever wins tomorrow night is probably going to be the nominee.

Overall I would certainly agree Iowa isn't clear cut due to second choices, and will indeed be an interesting contest for sure.

 

[slick]

They are counting on Democrats like you.

I bet 150 to win 100 on Snaders winning the Iowa caucus two days ago. Just checked Bookmaker, now someone has to
bet 380 on Sanders to win 100. Things are looking up for those who feel the BURN!

The odds say Biden is far behind bet 100 on Biden to win 650. Butt & Pocahontas are 10 to 1 or worse.

 

[GreatNews2night]

Most Democrats did not want Clinton in 2016, but got stuck with her anyway. If the powers that be want Bloomberg, it will be Bloomberg. I don't think Democrats actually pick their nominee. They may think they do. Bernie is a good tool for them to use to get rid of Bloomberg's competition.

Where did you get the weird notion that MOST Democrats did not want Clinton in 2016? She won the primaries by 3.7 million votes. Sure, the Dems made a disastrous choice, but it was the choice that they wanted, anyway. If they wanted Sanders, they would have voted for Sanders. 3.7 million votes wasn't a small margin. She won 34 contests versus 23 for Bernie (and his wins were disproportionately focused on caucus states rather than popular vote states). She got 55.2% of the votes versus 43.1% for Bernie. That wasn't just winning, that was a rout. It wasn't even close.

Sure, Bernie fans say the nomination was stolen from him. Nope. He simply didn't have the votes. Sure, the DNC preferred Clinton, but their actions are overblown. If the final tally had a thin margin, I'd agree that maybe the nomination was stolen from Bernie. But 3.7 freaking MILLION votes? The DNC didn't have the means or the power to influence this many people. Almost 17 million people voted for Hillary, while Bernie only got about 13 million.

Nope, the majority of Democrats did not want Sanders. They wanted Clinton.

Bad choice? Absolutely. But it was their choice. Bernie fans who say otherwise are in denial.

Being in denial is not good. They should have regrouped and should have tried to understand why Democrats did not want to vote for their candidate, to learn and try again in a better way. But no, they have already started blaming the DNC again. No lessons learned, none.

 

[Perotista]

I agree... if Sanders does win Iowa and New Hampshire, the nomination is his.... like I said earlier, it all boils down to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina - whoever wins any 2 out of those 3 will be the presumptive nominee come Super Tuesday. By the time Bloomberg's strength starts showing up, it'll already be over. New Hampshire is Sanders' to lose... South Carolina is Biden's.... so essentially whoever wins tomorrow night is probably going to be the nominee.

I think you're jumping the gun. Blacks make up a third of all Democratic primary voters, Biden has the support of half of them vs 17% for Sanders, 14% for Warren. There are 11 primaries/caucuses where the non-white vote makes up over 50% of the total Democratic primary vote. 10 more where the non-white vote is between 35-50%.

Some of the states are:
South Carolina 57%
Georgia 57%
Alabama 56%
Texas 54%
North Carolina 38%
Virginia 38%
Tennessee 34%
Louisiana 52%
Mississippi 52%
Illinois 43%
Florida 34%
New York 30%
Maryland 46%
Delaware 36%
New Jersey 40%
D.C. 52%

Figures from the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries and caucuses.

So if Biden maintains his 50% support, he will be hard to beat in my opinion. Few know that Sanders actually edged out Hillary Clinton in the white Democratic Primary vote, but Hillary trounced Sanders among blacks. Biden very well could ride the black vote to the nomination especially if Warren and Sanders split the white vote while Biden keeps whites close to those two.

 

[Drawdown]

The impeachment/trial sucked all the oxygen out of the Democratic Primary election debates and candidates campaigns, plus grounded the 3 Democratic senators still in the election - the only legitimate candidates they had. This cut a clear path for Michael Bloomberg, who claims Elizabeth Warren talking about breaking up the 2 largest monopolies on earth (Amazon and Google) makes her "too radical.' You'll never hear Bloomberg criticizing any fellow mega billionaire or mega billion dollar corporation. According to Bloomberg, the 14th richest man on earth, all the other Democrats for president are "too radical" for promising universal healthcare, free college, erasing student debts etc.

The DNC just changed their rules for the debate exclusively to get Bloomberg, a 77 year old white male New York moderate Republican, into the debates. The MSM and press - all now entirely owned by Bloomberg's fellow mega billionaires and mega billion dollar corporations - has attacked all Democratic candidates except for Bloomberg, for which there has not been one major critical story.

Will Michael Bloomberg be the Democratic Party's nominee? In my opinion this is very likely. Sanders will be used to prove Bloomberg isn't "too radical" like Sanders and all the other Democratic candidates like Bloomberg claims.

(SORRY, won't let me put up a poll or I messed up). But it is somewhat a yes or no question. I say yes, unless someone else maybe gets in it.)

Today Christ Matthews said he thought it would either be Bloomberg or Bernie but had no idea which side of the party would win out.

 

[Risky Thicket]

The impeachment/trial sucked all the oxygen out of the Democratic Primary election debates and candidates campaigns, plus grounded the 3 Democratic senators still in the election - the only legitimate candidates they had. This cut a clear path for Michael Bloomberg, who claims Elizabeth Warren talking about breaking up the 2 largest monopolies on earth (Amazon and Google) makes her "too radical.' You'll never hear Bloomberg criticizing any fellow mega billionaire or mega billion dollar corporation. According to Bloomberg, the 14th richest man on earth, all the other Democrats for president are "too radical" for promising universal healthcare, free college, erasing student debts etc.

The DNC just changed their rules for the debate exclusively to get Bloomberg, a 77 year old white male New York moderate Republican, into the debates. The MSM and press - all now entirely owned by Bloomberg's fellow mega billionaires and mega billion dollar corporations - has attacked all Democratic candidates except for Bloomberg, for which there has not been one major critical story.

Will Michael Bloomberg be the Democratic Party's nominee? In my opinion this is very likely. Sanders will be used to prove Bloomberg isn't "too radical" like Sanders and all the other Democratic candidates like Bloomberg claims.

(SORRY, won't let me put up a poll or I messed up). But it is somewhat a yes or no question. I say yes, unless someone else maybe gets in it.)

Poll? Where is the poll?

You've been on DP long enough to know how to include a poll in the POLL thread. Why didn't you?

 

[concernedpuma]

No.The Democrats don't like old rich white men.

JUST the old and rich white men? Seems bigger than wealth or age. I'm not rich, but am old and white. It doesn't take too much deriding before one realizes who their opponents are and how they hate you. I am not a bigot by any means. I was of the same generation of Dr. King and supported him in thought and deed and can tell you he never hated any race. Unfortunately, his plea for equality has been corrupted by those who seek to punish and separate by, and because of skin appearance.
Regards,
CP

 

[Cordelier]

Overall I would certainly agree Iowa isn't clear cut due to second choices, and will indeed be an interesting contest for sure.

It's certainly panning out that way... it's looking like I got the right trend, just the wrong candidate - look at the differences for Buttigieg from first vote to final vote - he's picking up 6% while Sanders and Warren are getting less than half the pick-up. That's the fluid moderate vote sloshing around.

 

[Surrealistik]

It's certainly panning out that way... it's looking like I got the right trend, just the wrong candidate - look at the differences for Buttigieg from first vote to final vote - he's picking up 6% while Sanders and Warren are getting less than half the pick-up. That's the fluid moderate vote sloshing around.

Thus far it looks like Bernie's raw, brute strength is winning the day though.

 

[OldFatGuy]

No.The Democrats don't like old rich white men.

That premise knocks out Sanders.

 

[Cordelier]

I think you're jumping the gun. Blacks make up a third of all Democratic primary voters, Biden has the support of half of them vs 17% for Sanders, 14% for Warren. There are 11 primaries/caucuses where the non-white vote makes up over 50% of the total Democratic primary vote. 10 more where the non-white vote is between 35-50%.

Some of the states are:
South Carolina 57%
Georgia 57%
Alabama 56%
Texas 54%
North Carolina 38%
Virginia 38%
Tennessee 34%
Louisiana 52%
Mississippi 52%
Illinois 43%
Florida 34%
New York 30%
Maryland 46%
Delaware 36%
New Jersey 40%
D.C. 52%

Figures from the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries and caucuses.

So if Biden maintains his 50% support, he will be hard to beat in my opinion. Few know that Sanders actually edged out Hillary Clinton in the white Democratic Primary vote, but Hillary trounced Sanders among blacks. Biden very well could ride the black vote to the nomination especially if Warren and Sanders split the white vote while Biden keeps whites close to those two.

I agree that Biden is doing well among African Americans... I've just got my doubts about how firm their support is for him. I don't think it's anywhere near the same kind of brand loyalty they felt toward (Bill) Clinton or Obama.... if someone made a good, solid push for their votes, I think they could pick up a lot of traction there. I'd actually seriously consider offering Kamala Harris or Cory Booker the #2 spot for their endorsement - even this early in the race - if I were Pete Buttigieg. I think he's got a narrow window here to break this wide open.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Think of the battle, towering Trump over 5'8" Bloomberg, with the 2" lifts in his shoes. We've had some short presidents, like Madison at 5'2", but not many. Taller candidates usually win, regardless of politics.

 

[Cordelier]

Thus far it looks like Bernie's raw, brute strength is winning the day though.

It sure looks that way... although I'm wary of the delay in getting solid results.

 

[Cordelier]

Think of the battle, towering Trump over 5'8" Bloomberg, with the 2" lifts in his shoes. We've had some short presidents, like Madison at 5'2", but not many. Taller candidates usually win, regardless of politics.

I seem to recall playing up the height difference kind of backfiring for Al Gore.

 

[OldFatGuy]

I seem to recall playing up the height difference kind of backfiring for Al Gore.

"usually"

 

[Cordelier]

"usually"

I hear ya... couldn't resist.

I don't think Bloomberg is going to do anything but blow a wad of cash, though ... he's got the charisma of a wet dish towel.

 

[OldFatGuy]

I hear ya... couldn't resist.

I don't think Bloomberg is going to do anything but blow a wad of cash, though ... he's got the charisma of a wet dish towel.

Don't blame ya. I hedge my bets.

 

[Cordelier]

Don't blame ya. I hedge my bets.

*L* This isn't my game... I'm notoriously bad at picking primary campaigns. I started off this race supporting Hickenlooper.

 

[OldFatGuy]

*L* This isn't my game... I'm notoriously bad at picking primary campaigns. I started off this race supporting Hickenlooper.

I'm ok picking losers, not winners. The same if I play the ponies at the track.

 

[Cordelier]

I'm ok picking losers, not winners. The same if I play the ponies at the track.

If I bet on ponies, mine would be the one who bucked off it's jockey and then ran the wrong way. Yessiree... put your money on Mortar Fokker...400-1 shot, but just think how cool it'd be to hear the announcer call him coming down the back stretch.

 

[OldFatGuy]

If I bet on ponies, mine would be the one who bucked off it's jockey and then ran the wrong way.

My last day of the season this fall at Saratoga. 30-1 odds and that filly stole my sawbuck. Later that day, my wife visited that filly, treated her with some apples, gave her a nice behind the ear rub.

 

[joko104]

Possible, but for Bloomberg to win, he's going to have to begin attracting some support from blacks. I also noticed the DNC changed their debate rules all of a sudden. I was never in favor of the rules to begin with to qualify for the debates as I prefer natural drop outs. Let all into the debates. The DNC and democratic state party leaders did jury rig the primaries in Hillary's favor in 2016. Come 2020, it seems the DNC is once again pulling shenanigans with the primary process. Once the rules are in place, stick with them until the next election. Don't change them in midstream. My opinion anyway.

He can buy black support - at least visually in ads plus with the MSM and press portraying that he has civil rights leaders black support as a fact. They can't be that expensive. Who among any of them should they support? Bloomberg is as good as the next one, and he pays. A lot.