Why Do Liberals Question HCQ?

[beefheart]

They made up the 66 studies? Please explain.

Sounds like liberals crying FAKE NEWS!

Who runs the site?

 

[ReubenSherr]

Do you really consider covid to be a political issue?

Are you serious? I saw the phrase “Trump Virus” on an MSNBC graphic tonight.

It shouldn’t be a political issue. But back in March, when most anchors on Fox were discussing medical options, CNN began their wall to wall anti-Trump coverage, doing absolutely nothing but politicizing this thing. Instead of covering entire press briefings, they would cover the first 20 minutes, and then use the rest of the time to trash the president.

And even now, there are liberal posters on other threads who seem horrified at the idea that HCQ might help save lives, almost like if HCQ is proven to be successful their lives will be over.

It’s just something I’ve had to get used to.

 

[lurchadams]

Approximately half of the studies, both clinical and observational, that have been done so far on HCQ have indicated that it is effective in treating COVID, and saves lives. Another half have indicated that HCQ is ineffective.

Nearly all studies have indicated that HCQ is safe, with no dangerous side effects.

Why do liberals believe half of the studies, and question the other half?

6. Liberals believe in medicine and science.

trumpists are susceptible to bat**** conspiracy theories and snake oil cures. That's why they're such fans of trump, Alex Jones, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Louis Gomhert, etc.

 

[Parrish]

Are you serious? I saw the phrase “Trump Virus” on an MSNBC graphic tonight.

It shouldn’t be a political issue. But back in March, when most anchors on Fox were discussing medical options, CNN began their wall to wall anti-Trump coverage, doing absolutely nothing but politicizing this thing. Instead of covering entire press briefings, they would cover the first 20 minutes, and then use the rest of the time to trash the president.

And even now, there are liberal posters on other threads who seem horrified at the idea that HCQ might help save lives, almost like if HCQ is proven to be successful their lives will be over.

It’s just something I’ve had to get used to.

No, it's something you just spew. Get real. Right wingers die from Covid too. No one would be horrified if HCQ was effective. What is wrong with you?

 

[iguanaman]

This bureaucratic BS is the exact reason we put Trump in the White House. Scientific models can not prove beyond shadow of a doubt that giving patients HCQ could have saved lives, so the argument needs to disappear. Bull.

Yes, social distancing a week earlier would have saved lives, especially in New York City. You must be extremely upset at Andrew Cuomo then.

And, Uptower, stop with this tit for tat childish argument nonsense. This is politics. There are two candidates, if you are going to pin everything on Trump, be ready for us to counter.

If you think it’s childish, then we need to get rid of the two party system.

This post BTW was in response to you joking that HCQ advocacy is like believing in demon sperm. I don’t want to hear anymore about other people being childish.

Stop using the word science in your posts You are anti-science and Trump is anti-science too. You even said that is why you like him. The problem is that without science we are doomed as a nation to continue this purgatory we are in indefinitely. We are already the worst nation in the entire world by numbers of cases and deaths. Your refusal to admit these facts also proves you are anti-science. While the rest of the world is recovering we are still in the first wave. Most all of the 155,000 deaths from the virus could have been prevented if Trump had done what other nations did. And just because Trump and you believe in quackery does not change the fact that the FDA withdrew their approval of HCQ and that is very good evidence that it does more harm than good at best. Only 94 more days of this madness.....

A faster response could have prevented most U.S. Covid-19 deaths - STAT

 

[ReubenSherr]

Stop using the word science in your posts You are anti-science and Trump is anti-science too. You even said that is why you like him.

We are not anti-science. We are anti-bureaucracy.

Because of scientific bureaucracy, thousands of patients died in hospitals in March and April, and their physicians weren't allowed to prescibe them HCQ. Close to 70 studies have now shown that HCQ is effective if used early enough in treatment, and/or in combination with other medications.

In this case, I believe that Fauci and "scientific bureaucrats" caused a massive amount of death in this country. And Fauci is still at it this week.

Here are some links documenting that HCQ can be successful if used early in treatment:

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 66 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (66 studies, many clinical)

Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows | Henry Ford Health System - Detroit, MI (One large observational study with over 2,000 patients)

Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study

Here is the Michigan Congresswoman who credited Trump with saving her life, and who was then censured by the Democratic Party for disloyalty:



Here are some success stories from physicians:

 

[iguanaman]

We are not anti-science. We are anti-bureaucracy.

Because of scientific bureaucracy, thousands of patients died in hospitals in March and April, and their physicians weren't allowed to prescibe them HCQ. Close to 70 studies have now shown that HCQ is effective if used early enough in treatment, and/or in combination with other medications.

In this case, I believe that Fauci and "scientific bureaucrats" caused a massive amount of death in this country. And Fauci is still at it this week.

Here are some links documenting that HCQ can be successful if used early in treatment:

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 66 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment (66 studies, many clinical)

Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows | Henry Ford Health System - Detroit, MI (One large observational study with over 2,000 patients)

Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study

Here is the Michigan Congresswoman who credited Trump with saving her life, and who was then censured by the Democratic Party for disloyalty:



Here are some success stories from physicians:

Those are all anti-science videos and if you don't know it I sure do. You might as well use leeches and snake oil. That is what we used for everything before there was "bureaucracy". I feel sorry for you....not.
BTW 98% of people "recover" without HCQ and there is no evidence that more recover when given it. The evidence is that all those people would have had the same result without HCQ and it had nothing to do with their recovery. That why we have that "bureaucracy" so quacks hawking phony drugs won't rip people off and possibly kill them.

 

[yankintx]

So when you say half are you claiming that there as many studies saying it works as say it doesn't? Can you back that up with data?

The poster will not back it, never does. Waste of time getting a scholarly source out of him.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Are you serious? I saw the phrase “Trump Virus” on an MSNBC graphic tonight.

:lol:

That's awesome.

 

[uptower]

This post BTW was in response to you joking that HCQ advocacy is like believing in demon sperm. I don’t want to hear anymore about other people being childish.

There is a difference between flippant and childish and it is not between you and I. Just get on with it and bring some content to the topic and I'm listening. So those numbers?

 

[beefheart]

The poster will not back it, never does. Waste of time getting a scholarly source out of him.

Rueben is here only to spread fear and disinformation, clearly he doesn't give a whit about any fact you show him.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Rueben is here only to spread fear and disinformation, clearly he doesn't give a whit about any fact you show him.

Beefheart, stop trolling the thread lol.

If you think I am spreading "fear and disinformation," back up your claim with specific facts.

My guess is you're trying to derail the thread and bury the information I posted.

 

[beefheart]

Beefheart, stop trolling the thread lol.

If you think I am spreading "fear and disinformation," back up your claim with specific facts.

Nice try, but it is the predictably lame stuff you are pulling.

You are oblivious to actual science and fact, so you are spreading crap. Several posters here have done it all when it comes to debunking the crap you are putting up.

Who is behind the website you are promoting?

Why are you pushing the demon sperm doctor as an expert?

 

[ReubenSherr]

Nice try, but it is the predictably lame stuff you are pulling.

You are oblivious to actual science and fact, so you are spreading crap. Several posters here have done it all when it comes to debunking the crap you are putting up.

Who is behind the website you are promoting?

Why are you pushing the demon sperm doctor as an expert?

Beefheart, enough trolling.

There is nothing in the post about a demon sperm doctor.

Please keep the conversation factual, or go to a different thread.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Those are all anti-science videos and if you don't know it I sure do.

These are not "anti-science" videos lol. They are videos where qualified physicians question the assumptions of Fauci.

Big difference.

If you click on the link below, you will find 66 scientific studies that support HCQ use.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 66 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

 

[iguanaman]

These are not "anti-science" videos lol. They are videos where qualified physicians question the assumptions of Fauci.

Big difference.

If you click on the link below, you will find 66 scientific studies that support HCQ use.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 66 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

LOL "Early treatment" means that it only "works" on those that would recover anyway without CHQ. That is what the scientific studies found. That it is useless in treating the virus. The only effect it has is placebo.

 

[ReubenSherr]

LOL "Early treatment" means that it only "works" on those that would recover anyway without CHQ. That is what the scientific studies found. That it is useless in treating the virus.

???

Patients were treated early in the course of the virus. You're arguing that every one of these patients would have recovered anyway?

Stop using the word "scientific studies" to mean "studies in line with Fauci" or "studies associated with liberal universities"

These 66 studies are scientific, no?

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 66 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

 

[beefheart]

Beefheart, enough trolling.

There is nothing in the post about a demon sperm doctor.

Please keep the conversation factual, or go to a different thread.

Factual? OK, start by telling us who is behind the garbage website you promote.

Fact is, the HCQ folks have to deal with their so called experts, the ones who believe in demon sperm and gynecological diseases being caused by sex with witches and demons.

I'll stick with actual scientific studies, the ones that have been pointed out to you over and over and over that show that HCQ doesn't work. The ones that you claim are bogus because you believe it is some kind of liberal plot nonsense.

You are here to spread fear and disinformation.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Factual? OK, start by telling us who is behind the garbage website you promote.

That website links 66 scientific studies in support of HCQ.

Start by telling us what you question about the information. Do you think the 66 studies are made up?

 

[ReubenSherr]

You are here to spread fear and disinformation.

Lol, no you are hear to spread fear and disinformation.

I am spreading HOPE.

I think you're trying to throw off the thread to bury the information I posted.

To solve this issue, I will check back and repost everything periodically.

 

[iguanaman]

That website links 66 scientific studies in support of HCQ.

Start by telling us what you question about the information. Do you think the 66 studies are made up?

They were not scientific studies because there were no control groups. They just gave CHQ to people who were infected and they recovered like 98% of patients do anyway. That makes them invalid. You not only hate science you know nothing about it either. For a drug to be effective it has to produce better outcomes than those that do not take it. Duh. That is where CHQ failed in study after study. Not to mention that the drug caused heart irregularities in some patients taking it that increased their risk of death. That is what caused the FDA to withdraw their approval. Not only was it ineffective at treating Covid 19 patients, more patients died who took it than in the control group that did not.

Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, with or without azithromycin or clarithromycin, offer no benefit in treating patients with COVID-19 and, instead, are associated with ventricular arrhythmias and higher rates of mortality, according to a major new international study.

Hydroxychloroquine Has No Benefit, 'Only Risks' in COVID-19

 

[ReubenSherr]

They were not studies because there were no control groups.

???

That is completely false. There are plenty of RCTs linked here, all RCTs have control groups.

COVID-19 Treatment - Analysis of 66 global studies showing high effectiveness for early treatment

You're referring to the Henry Ford study, which was observational.

 

[ReubenSherr]

They just gave CHQ to people who were infected and they recovered like 98% of patients do anyway.

If you're talking about the Henry Ford study, the death rate was 0%.

You're claiming that we now have a death rate of 0%?

 

[Guyzilla]

They have revisited Cloro, so that logical or not, they have that to throw in the face of libs, to say they killed thousands. All they want is a lie they can repeat. LIES are as good as truth, if you get all right wingers to bleet in unison. And, it also is to save their own consciences.

 

[Guyzilla]

Lol, no you are hear to spread fear and disinformation.

I am spreading HOPE.

I think you're trying to throw off the thread to bury the information I posted.

To solve this issue, I will check back and repost everything periodically.

You are hoping to have a lie that all right wingers can forward, so that you can blame libs for the deaths, when in reality, Trump and YOU, are responsible for approx 90% of deaths.