Why Do Liberals Question HCQ?

[ReubenSherr]

It is hard to respond to you seriously.

That’s because your knowledge of this issue is extremely handicapped.

It’s even harder for me to take you seriously.

And no, no one is claiming that HCQ is a “slam dunk,” that’s not anywhere in this thread. Liberals are equating HCQ to snake oil. And Fauci prevented physicians and hospitals from making the decision with their patients at a time when there was no other option.

 

[year2late]

That’s because your knowledge of this issue is extremely handicapped.

It’s even harder for me to take you seriously.

And no, no one is claiming that HCQ is a “slam dunk,” that’s not anywhere in this thread. Liberals are equating HCQ to snake oil. And Fauci prevented physicians and hospitals from making the decision with their patients at a time when there was no other option.

We are not equating HCQ to snake oil. We are saying Trump is acting like a snake oil salesman.

I have consistently said it may or may not have merit. The studies that show it to be very helpful...are flawed. One that you have shown had most of the recipients getting steroids as well. Well steroids (without hydroxychloroquine are clearly helpful. So even a person such as yourself should understand why that study really did not show much for hydroxychloroquine other than it did not kill them. And frankly, if they excluded folks that were most apt to have any cardiac issues......they left the ones that were most able to have positive outcomes anyway. Like I said flaws.


Let me repeat. Hydroxychloroquine is not snake oil. Trump is acting like a snake oil salesman.....promoting something in his capacity of POTUS that may or may not have any scientific merit. Irresponsible to say the least.

 

[ReubenSherr]

We are not equating HCQ to snake oil. We are saying Trump is acting like a snake oil salesman.

I have consistently said it may or may not have merit. The studies that show it to be very helpful...are flawed. One that you have shown had most of the recipients getting steroids as well. Well steroids (without hydroxychloroquine are clearly helpful. So even a person such as yourself should understand why that study really did not show much for hydroxychloroquine other than it did not kill them. And frankly, if they excluded folks that were most apt to have any cardiac issues......they left the ones that were most able to have positive outcomes anyway. Like I said flaws.


Let me repeat. Hydroxychloroquine is not snake oil. Trump is acting like a snake oil salesman.....promoting something in his capacity of POTUS that may or may not have any scientific merit. Irresponsible to say the least.

I would agree with you, if we had had other medical alternatives back in March and April, but we didn’t. The choices were HCQ or nothing. Touting a drug with mixed reviews is only irresponsible if the drug is unsafe, and it is not unsafe, this was a CNN/Fauci talking point, based on faulty studies on patients who were nearly terminal when they received the medication.

In terms of the Henry Ford study, if HCQ combined with steroids helped hundreds of patients survive the illness, then that’s what doctors should be using as an option, in conjunction with the decision of their patients.

 

[year2late]

I would agree with you, if we had had other medical alternatives back in March and April, but we didn’t. The choices were HCQ or nothing. Touting a drug with mixed reviews is only irresponsible if the drug is unsafe, and it is not unsafe, this was a CNN/Fauci talking point, based on faulty studies on patients who were nearly terminal when they received the medication.

In terms of the Henry Ford study, if HCQ combined with steroids helped hundreds of patients survive the illness, then that’s what doctors should be using as an option, in conjunction with the decision of their patients.

The steroids were helpful on their own. The flawed study did nothing to delineate how hydroxychloroquine added anything to the mix.

It was like saying I took vit c and penicillin for strep throat and assuming the reason I felt much better the next day had anything to do with the vit c.

I have no issue with trying. I have every issue with a snake oil salesmen acting like he has special knowledge - which he does not.

 

[switt]

Why do Trumpsters blindly follow their leader? I think those that question the use of HCQ are the same ones that question authority and have independent thought. I would think more Reps than Dems would have fallen into this category.

 

[uptower]

Why don't conservatives question Demon Semen?

 

[uptower]

Why do Trumpsters blindly follow their leader? I think those that question the use of HCQ are the same ones that question authority and have independent thought. I would think more Reps than Dems would have fallen into this category.

Very true isn't? The so-called individualists and libertarians are blindly following a cult leader who'll happily tell them to drink bleach.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Thousands of patients studied in the past 2 months, hardly one incident of serious side effects.

And no incidents of helping to beat down the virus. Your poll is as partisan as they get. The reason you believe it's OK is Trump. Well sorry, Trump is a known liar. Nobody but the ever dwindling base believes his sh**.

 

[switt]

Not sure why those liberals aren't washing down the HCQ with some bleach. Personally, I've had good luck shining a flashlight up my kiester.

 

[Jay Falcon]

Yes, I'll hop on one more time in about half an hour and provide links.

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[ReubenSherr]

:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo

Let me know what you need links to.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Why don't conservatives question Demon Semen?

Sorry, are you equating HCQ promotion with witchcraft?

Liberals are now at the point where they are directly responsible for thousands of deaths. Period.

Patients receive no treatment, and die, while you all snicker away at what you consider brilliant one liners.

You people belong nowhere near the White House.

 

[2distracted]

Everything with the left is based on politics. For the left, politics takes precedence over science, morality, humor, ... virtually everything.

That's why no lib seemed to care that Obummer did a mini political rally in the middle of john Lewis funeral

 

[uptower]

Liberals are now at the point where they are directly responsible for thousands of deaths. Period.

Get some citation for that: studies, stats and projections. Otherwise it is pure bull***t.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Get some citation for that: studies, stats and projections. Otherwise it is pure bull***t.

We’ve now got a website which links 66 studies worldwide, all of which have concluded that HCQ is effective if used early in treatment. Plus the Henry Ford study of over 2,000 patients.

There’s an entire thread in the Covid forum about it, titled “HCQ Studies”

I can link the site when I get home.

 

[uptower]

We’ve now got a website which links 66 studies worldwide, all of which have concluded that HCQ is effective if used early in treatment. Plus the Henry Ford study of over 2,000 patients.

There’s an entire thread in the Covid forum about it, titled “HCQ Studies”

I can link the site when I get home.

And make sure it shows just how many 'thousands of deaths' could have been avoided in a proper model. I'll assume that claim comes from somewhere.

 

[ReubenSherr]

And make sure it shows just how many 'thousands of deaths' could have been avoided in a proper model. I'll assume that claim comes from somewhere.

Would you like to see statistics on the number of patients who died of COVID in March and early April because they received no medication of any kind?

Because this is how the thousands of deaths could have been avoided.

Do you have models proving that Trump mismanaged the pandemic? I’ll be waiting for those as well.

 

[beefheart]

We’ve now got a website which links 66 studies worldwide, all of which have concluded that HCQ is effective if used early in treatment. Plus the Henry Ford study of over 2,000 patients.

There’s an entire thread in the Covid forum about it, titled “HCQ Studies”

I can link the site when I get home.

Garbage website run by kooks.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Garbage website run by kooks.

They made up the 66 studies? Please explain.

Sounds like liberals crying FAKE NEWS!

 

[uptower]

Would you like to see statistics on the number of patients who died of COVID in March and early April because they received no medication of any kind?

Because this is how the thousands of deaths could have been avoided.

Do you have models proving that Trump mismanaged the pandemic? I’ll be waiting for those as well.

We're not just playing a childish game of you show me yours here - there is a point to this:

There is a difference between evidence of something that has already happened and a what-if scenario that requires scientific modelling. We know with hindsight that if effective social distancing and lockdown measures had been implemented sooner it would have slowed the community spread of Covid-19. This was done with success in other countries while American states largely failed to act for a time.

Social distancing one week earlier could have saved 36,000 US lives: study | TheHill

Underlining the importance of aggressively responding to the coronavirus, the study found the U.S. could have avoided at least 700,000 fewer infections if actions that began on March 15 had actually started on March 8.

On the other hand the claim you've presented is that HCQ would have prevented deaths. Since it was tried in some clinical trials, then a scientific model (that is a projection of something that hasn't happened) must surely exist out there to show just how many deaths it could have prevented if implemented earlier.

Then of course we'd have to ask why Trump's administration, HHS and CDC did not implement widespread use. Can't really just 'blame the libs' for something they had no control over can we?

 

[Parrish]

Why won't governors enforce and citizens in Red states follow social distancing and mask recommendations ?

 

[iguanaman]

Approximately half of the studies, both clinical and observational, that have been done so far on HCQ have indicated that it is effective in treating COVID, and saves lives. Another half have indicated that HCQ is ineffective.

Nearly all studies have indicated that HCQ is safe, with no dangerous side effects.

Why do liberals believe half of the studies, and question the other half?

Because HCQ has not been demonstrated to save even one single life. In fact the opposite is true. You can't give infected people HCQ and claim that because they recovered that means it cured them. 90% or more recover with no HCQ. The real scientific studies found no reduction in deaths. In fact deaths increased for those that took the drug. It has no value in treating Covid 19.

 

[ReubenSherr]

We're not just playing a childish game of you show me yours here - there is a point to this:

There is a difference between evidence of something that has already happened and a what-if scenario that requires scientific modelling. We know with hindsight that if effective social distancing and lockdown measures had been implemented sooner it would have slowed the community spread of Covid-19. This was done with success in other countries while American states largely failed to act for a time.

On the other hand the claim you've presented is that HCQ would have prevented deaths. Since it was tried in some clinical trials, then a scientific model (that is a projection of something that hasn't happened) must surely exist out there to show just how many deaths it could have prevented if implemented earlier.

This bureaucratic BS is the exact reason we put Trump in the White House. Scientific models can not prove beyond shadow of a doubt that giving patients HCQ could have saved lives, so the argument needs to disappear. Bull.

Yes, social distancing a week earlier would have saved lives, especially in New York City. You must be extremely upset at Andrew Cuomo then.

And, Uptower, stop with this tit for tat childish argument nonsense. This is politics. There are two candidates, if you are going to pin everything on Trump, be ready for us to counter.

If you think it’s childish, then we need to get rid of the two party system.

This post BTW was in response to you joking that HCQ advocacy is like believing in demon sperm. I don’t want to hear anymore about other people being childish.

 

[Parrish]

This bureaucratic BS is the exact reason we put Trump in the White House. Scientific models can not prove beyond shadow of a doubt that giving patients HCQ could have saved lives, so the argument needs to disappear. Bull.

Yes, social distancing a week earlier would have saved lives, especially in New York City. You must be extremely upset at Andrew Cuomo then.

And, Uptower, stop with this tit for tat childish argument nonsense. This is politics. There are two candidates, if you are going to pin everything on Trump, be ready for us to counter.

If you think it’s childish, then we need to get rid of the two party system.

This post BTW was in response to you joking that HCQ advocacy is like believing in demon sperm. I don’t want to hear anymore about other people being childish.

Do you really consider covid to be a political issue?

 

[beefheart]

They made up the 66 studies? Please explain.

Sounds like liberals crying FAKE NEWS!

Has nothing to do with liberals, has to do with real science.