Who destroyed businesses in the USA, it certainly was not liberals

[bradt99]

Oh yes it certainly was liberals. Who signed NAFTA? Bill Clinton.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Oh yes it certainly was liberals. Who signed NAFTA? Bill Clinton.

yeah, he signed it, but it was Reagan's baby.

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia

The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. President Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his campaign when he announced his candidacy for the presidency in November 1979.[14] Canada and the United States signed the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement (FTA) in 1988, and shortly afterward Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari decided to approach US president George H. W. Bush to propose a similar agreement in an effort to bring in foreign investment following the Latin American debt crisis.[14] As the two leaders began negotiating, the Canadian government under Prime Minister Brian Mulroney feared that the advantages Canada had gained through the Canada–US FTA would be undermined by a US–Mexican bilateral agreement, and asked to become a party to the US–Mexican talks.[15]

 

[bradt99]

yeah, he signed it, but it was Reagan's baby.

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia

There is a thing called the "veto" I'm sorry he was too STUPID to use it.

 

[Hamish Howl]

There is a thing called the "veto" I'm sorry he was too STUPID to use it.

So you had two republicans and one democrat supporting it.

You on board with trash-talking Reagan and Bush the elder, as well?

 

[bradt99]

So you had two republicans and one democrat supporting it.

You on board with trash-talking Reagan and Bush the elder, as well?

USMCA will finally replace that scummy "deal" and that's why Pelosi won't let it pass in the house, it would help the American worker.

 

[Hamish Howl]

USMCA will finally replace that scummy "deal" and that's why Pelosi won't let it pass in the house, it would help the American worker.

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[Integrityrespec]

CEO's and stockholders are the ones mainly responsible for businesses, especially manufacturing leaving the country. Cons like to say it was government regulation, but they know it came down to greater earnings by moving manufacturing overseas to low wage areas of the world. If started with Japan, then moved to South Korea and China and now is slowly moving again to places like South Vietnam, India and Indonesia. Always looking for the one more buck of profit. Even in this country some states have passed laws that do not allow employee salary increases without permission of the companies stock holders. they see all money within the company as belonging to the stockholders. It is one reason so many companies have moved their headquarter to New Jersey. So blaming regulations for these moves is the Cons way of deflecting from what they know as the truth.

Government overregulation was a key reason for moving business out of the country, more profit less overhead. As for the money in a company belonging to share holders, I believe that is true. The investors are the risk takers. The employees are not the decision makers, the risk takers or the policy makers. They are employees. I think companies can afford to raise wages in many cases but to keep business in America we have to make it attractive.

 

[bradt99]

Is that a yes or a no?

No, because the buck ultimately stops with Clinton who had the power to veto it.

 

[bradt99]

Government overregulation was a key reason for moving business out of the country, more profit less overhead. As for the money in a company belonging to share holders, I believe that is true. The investors are the risk takers. The employees are not the decision makers, the risk takers or the policy makers. They are employees. I think companies can afford to raise wages in many cases but to keep business in America we have to make it attractive.

They are more than "employees" They keep the business running by the physical and mental work they do. I have no problem with profit sharing like some companies are starting to do now.

 

[RealityNow]

Who destroyed businesses in the USA, it certainly was not liberals

Have you not read the many linked stores of racist acts of people calling the police on black people at parks and business establishments, if you, its only because you did not give acknowledgment to those stores.
Multiple people have posted links to the use of "dog whistle trigger words", to the variation of voter suppression acts. Certainly the incessant "belligerence" out of Trumps mouth every time he opens it.

Black people have always fought to promote Democracy to Respect the Principles of Human Dignity and Respect of Person as Individual. None of which would have been necessary if so many among white society, predominantly in the Right Wing Conservative sectors did not harbor racist ideology, overt racist segregationist agenda and delusions of granduer.
As far back as LBJ.
Who said:

President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Many of us have not forgot about Goldwater' and George Wallace of the 1960's and certainly have not forgot about Nixon who embraced that ideology, and Ronald Reagan who promoted it, and left a legacy of Right Wing Media, DE-Funded Community Colleges and DE-Funded State Universities, and dumping the mentally ill in the streets.
One can go any place in the country and find rural enclaves of white people, who have issues with immigrants, legal as well as tourist, and cycles of white flight in their running away from an inter grated society.
History is real... and the lives damaged and those killed by rabid minded white people, who did so just because of the color of a persons skin.
You can't wipe that away with a pretense that racism is not deeply embedded in the Right Wing Confederacy Ideals of a great many white people.

Talking about "their way of life"... which was built up on "white supremacist ideology" and white nationalist agenda.

When Obama was in office, the word out of "white people's mouth was President don't create jobs"... suddenly a white man is in office, and white people want to claim that "this white man as president creates Jobs".

No one has forgot about the Tea Party... and certainly no one has forgotten about the mass of white people who fight against Universal Health Care and Fight Against Minimum Wage Increase... when every economic indicator speaks about the income disparity.

The bulk of white people, talking about their way of life... actually can't stand the other white people in their areas, they only car that their visual image if of white skin. They see no problem with young white kids with pink and green green hair, but they have a problem with black people who wear dreadlocks... That'a the type of race based absurdity that they blind themselves to. They talk about kids with unwed mothers, but won't look across the rural enclaves where white women are left with raising baby, and some running away, to avoid the cycle of wife batterings, and we see incessant stores of white people, killing the husband or the wife, and among that madness killing the entire family.
We see an incessant string of young white males shooting up schools and killing class mates, all because they don't ave some fiction of pop

Society has a lot to loose if they pretend this stuff is not real. Black people are not blind to it, as its been seen for 100's of years, including white people sitting on Juries and letting known criminal and known murderer's walk and then treating them like the town hero.

We see the same racism that some of these people seen their racist groomed kids off to college, and they take that stupidity and vile onto college campuses.

Many of the right wing white people are hung up on the "fictional stock ticker", which does not and has not indicated economic health in over 50 yrs, its all about "the frenzy of the trade" and then they borrow against the fiction, and within 3-4 yrs.. they crash one company, sell off it parts, lay off a mass of people, and continue to repeat the cycle.
The Republican Sentate has weaved a story of bias and bigotry and pure evil making denials of seeing and addressing the real truths in society.

An you have the audacity to say.. "There was nothing to lose ".

Guess you have not paid attention to the damages to international diplomacy, the damages to our allied relationships, and the attacks upon Global systems such as the U.N. and N.A.T.O.

Many white people rush to the voting booth, voting for who promotes the most "attack ads", and "who promotes the most covert forms of bias and bigotry" and "who uses the trigger words"... and the name they can associate with it.

 

[RealityNow]

Ask many of them what is a policy position they don't know, but they will willfully deny the overt bigotry and bias spewed out of the Candidates mouth, I watched national news and saw in Louisiana how Rispone. and the incessant cycle of "attack ads" and not a damn thing about what he can do to address civic and societal policies. and using his trigger word "Conservatives' and the usage is well known to mean, white male dominance in a white nationalist ideology of system mentality. he talk about jobs, but too ignorant to know, if school training does not lead the way, he can't create anything substantial of jobs. Yet, he had not a darn thing to say about education. Too many white people have never indulged to learn the truths of policy and issues, especially among the poor and working poor, they just vote based on who' attacks government systems"... because that's how they have been trained. Unaware they vote against themselves, until the :hitsfan: they fought against ACA until they were pushed against the wall and needed medial help and found out for once, the could not be denied because they had pre-existing condition, or they got help and came to realize the hospital could no longer put a lien on their home.

Many are not going to go back and read the truths of history to find and see the truth that were covered over, because they'd been trained to vote for the bigot, and the one who promotes the most attack ads... If they had been politically aware other than being a cultist devoted to the party of white people... they'd know... we could have had Universal Health care under President LBJ, and they'd also know when Hillary Pushed for it, that the old white men were angry with a mindset of "how dare a woman challenge us and our bigotry", because she spoke up about universal health care.

 

[RealityNow]

What have got to you lose?

The left will not give up fostering race as an issue. It is all the have left; identity politics. It is not the right that is holding people back.

Simply, in business and with individuals the right wants maximum opportunity the left wants equal outcomes and/or managed outcomes. We have all grown up generation after generation under these elitist polices. We all prosper with opportunity. Now and then a president comes along that unleashes opportunity. We have one now.

There was nothing to lose.

Elected Democrats have everything to lose. It's why they are all in on impeachment.

Interesting article this morning, by Stephen Moore. I hope to see Trump calling for these during the campaign. Tax cuts 2.0

Unleashing more opportunity

Trump needs tax cut 2.0 - Washington Times






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You should learn what the premise is behind "Tax Cuts".... you might shock yourself to learn the truth...

Hint:

Lee Atwater
You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

 

[Hamish Howl]

No, because the buck ultimately stops with Clinton who had the power to veto it.

So you have flexible standards.

 

[Drawdown]

Republican scumbags routinely try to chip away at my deferred income even though the pension is fully funded. i look forward to voting against them in future elections.

At least you have finally acknowledged that your politics are determined by personal greed. That is progress.

 

[Helix]

At least you have finally acknowledged that your politics are determined by personal greed. That is progress.

Thanks for the fake news, but I've unsubscribed.

 

[truthatallcost]

CEO's and stockholders are the ones mainly responsible for businesses, especially manufacturing leaving the country. Cons like to say it was government regulation, but they know it came down to greater earnings by moving manufacturing overseas to low wage areas of the world. If started with Japan, then moved to South Korea and China and now is slowly moving again to places like South Vietnam, India and Indonesia. Always looking for the one more buck of profit. Even in this country some states have passed laws that do not allow employee salary increases without permission of the companies stock holders. they see all money within the company as belonging to the stockholders. It is one reason so many companies have moved their headquarter to New Jersey. So blaming regulations for these moves is the Cons way of deflecting from what they know as the truth.

Private equity firms, hedge funds, & predatory business practitioners. If you want to blame it all on the GOP that's your choice, but who controls the GOP? There's your answer.

 

[bradt99]

Liberals have destroyed our economy for over three decades with bad trade deals and illegal immigrants taking our jobs. THEY are responsible.

 

[Lord of Planar]

CEO's and stockholders are the ones mainly responsible for businesses, especially manufacturing leaving the country. Cons like to say it was government regulation, but they know it came down to greater earnings by moving manufacturing overseas to low wage areas of the world. If started with Japan, then moved to South Korea and China and now is slowly moving again to places like South Vietnam, India and Indonesia. Always looking for the one more buck of profit. Even in this country some states have passed laws that do not allow employee salary increases without permission of the companies stock holders. they see all money within the company as belonging to the stockholders. It is one reason so many companies have moved their headquarter to New Jersey. So blaming regulations for these moves is the Cons way of deflecting from what they know as the truth.

Manufacturing is going to go where they can do it the easiest and cheapest. I blame president Clinton for signing all those global free trade deals.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Oh yes it certainly was liberals. Who signed NAFTA? Bill Clinton.

I was for NAFTA for the simple fact I thought it would reduce illegal immigration. Yes, we would have lost a small percentage of Jobs to Mexico, but we would have helped bring up our immediate neighbor's economy.

It all went south when more free trade agreements followed. Asia and other places even undercut Mexico, and NAFTA didn't do us any good.

 

[Lord of Planar]

yeah, he signed it, but it was Reagan's baby.

North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia

NAFTA didn't hurt us. Free trade with Asia and other parts of the world did.

 

[Drawdown]

Thanks for the fake news, but I've unsubscribed.

cool.

 

[Hamish Howl]

NAFTA didn't hurt us. Free trade with Asia and other parts of the world did.

I'm gonna have to agree with you there. No member of NAFTA uses slave labor as a matter of policy.

 

[Mortician]

The left supports illegals coming here and taking jobs away from citizens and lowering salaries.

 

[aociswundumho]

NAFTA didn't hurt us. Free trade with Asia and other parts of the world did.

You buying things from other people who can produce it cheaper than you can benefits you, it doesn't harm you. That's why you don't make your own clothes or grow your own food.

 

[iluvTrump]

The title for this thread is "Who destroyed businesses in the USA, it certainly was not liberals"

I disagree! The liberals taxed and regulated dozens, possibly hundreds of large American corporations into moving out of the US into countries that touted lower, more favorable tax and regulatory burdens. The fake news pundits labelled the process as "Inversion" and blamed all of the moves on taxes while ignoring the more onerous and costly regulatory dictates from such despotic bureaucratic regimes such as the EPA abusing the power the Clean Air Act gave them..

Isn't it funny how most of those businesses moved back to the USA after President Trump was elected and created a more business friendly environment - even though the liberals have fought Trump every inch of the way.