"White House seeks to clarify Trump remarks on emergency"

[j-mac]

Right, except for the small detail that your assertion is not supported by any evidence, not to mention that that is not what said earlier.

You asked my opinion, I gave it to you...As usual though you need 10 empirical studies, along with affidavits from every voter in those two states to confirm their immigration status...:roll: So, bottom line, is nothing said outside your own political view is really nothing but an exercise in Pee Wee Hermanism....

The fact that you seem to want to have liberal progressives dominate Conservatives is only a masturbatory wet dream of authoritarianism within the sick mind of progressives...Have fun with that, I won't play.

 

[gfm7175]

Funny to see you angry white men afraid of a woman of color

Shove your racism, Saladin... I'm not interested in it, nor your hatred...

 

[gfm7175]

There is NO emergency...trump ran his fat mouth, now the ignorant bigots that is his base demand he full fill his boasting.....These are the same people that bitch about spending an extra 10 cents on a paper bag but are willing let trump waste Billions.............Morons

Not interested in your bigotry either, Saladin... I would suggest getting those anger issues in check...

 

[gfm7175]

Stealing peoples homes and lands also violates the constitution....

Actually, it doesn't... Read the 5th Amendment over again...

 

[Stealers Wheel]

There are numerous examples of Trump's need to not take advice or appear to take advice. It seems that he needs to appear to make all his decisions without help from anyone. Unfortunately, this may prove to be his achilles heel.

"I was going to fire Comey, regardless ... over the Russia thing." When Comey was fired, it was agreed that all the WH spokesmen would fan out to the Sunday morning press shows and declare with a united voice that Comey was fired upon the recommendation of the deputy AG regarding the Hillary investigation, which they, like good soldiers, did. Then Trump goes on NBC and blows that up, making it appear that the AG recommendation was irrelevant. Without realizing it, in an attempt to show what an independent leader he is, Trump admitted to obstruction of justice.

"I didn't need to do this ..." He's saying "I'm in charge. I can handle this any way I want. I can take my time or I can build the wall fast. It's all up to me, because I'm in charge."

Trump supporters, right here on this board, believe that the [this]president can simply declare a national emergency on a whim. Because that is what the president admitted to, as he was declaring a national emergency. Now we will find out if this true, via the courts. God help us if it is.

 

[gfm7175]

So you'll agree with this, correct?

"Under the Constitution, the building of a wall, on U.S. soil, with U.S. taxpayer money, requires an explicit appropriation from Congress.

No Supreme Court justice, conservative or liberal, can conscientiously believe that the framers of the Constitution ever intended that American presidents, subject to the system of divided powers and checks and balances that the Framers so ingeniously devised, could get away with such a ruse as this president's facile declaration of a national emergency."

Nope... See the National Emergency Act of 1976. Trump has the power to do what he is currently doing. That power was given to him by the Congress of that time. The current Congress could've even stopped him from doing what he's doing right now if they would've simply added a clause to the budget they sent to Trump, but they didn't...

"Trump now poses a fundamental challenge to our democracy:"

The USA is NOT a Democracy. It is a Federated Republic. Those forms of government were defined by Ancient Athens and Ancient Rome, respectively.

"Does Congress have the essential power of the purse that the Constitution gave it, or can a president at his whim declare a national emergency and spend what he wants on what he wills?

False Dichotomy Fallacy. Congress has the power of the purse. Trump has the power to declare a national emergency as he sees fit (that power was given to the President by Congress -- See the National Emergency Act of 1976).

"This is the line between a constitutional republic and a presidential autocracy."

Whatever article you pulled this BS from has just taken residence in Paradox City, Home of Irrationality...

1) The USA is a Democracy.
2) The USA is a Republic.

Which one is it?


How, precisely, has Trump become a dictator? List even ONE example, please...

He has followed the Constitution quite well, actually... He WANTS the USA to remain a Federated Republic... The whole 'dictatorship' idea is what the "white coat" "Democratic Socialists" want to do. They want to be the Oligarchical ruling class in America by means of their Marxist fascism...

Or is it pick and choose the Constitution for you guys?

Not interested in your hateful bigotry...

 

[prometeus]

You asked my opinion

No I did not ask for your opinion, I pointed out the sheet stupidity of your assertion.

The rest of your post id the usual so called Trump supporter drivel, fueled by ignorance and lacking any basis in reality.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Stupidity branded atheistic is just as stupid as stupidity branded Christian.

So, which of the two

1. EVOLUTION - "All currently existing life forms evolved from earlier life forms, but we don't know all of the reasons why."
2. CREATIONISM - "All currently existing life forms evolved from earlier life forms (except for "Man"), because God wanted it to happen that way and for no other reason. "Man" however was directly created by God in exactly their current form."

is the one that you consider to be "stupidity"?

Oh, wait, I got it, **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** is that because

God told us how He created life on earth and it was not by slow evolution. He created the heaven and earth and all that is in heaven and on earth in 6 days. Humans may be still slow to realize that life could not possibly have begun slowly with just a single elementary creature because that creature alone would have nothing to eat and no means of reproducing, among thousands of other problems too impossible to be overcome in that erroneous scenario.
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everything that now exists is in exactly the same form as it was when it was created by God on September 17, 3928 B.C. - got it.

All that so-called "fossil evidence" was created by God at exactly the same time as everything else was and, since there are no dinosaurs today, there never were any.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Violates the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, and a person's natural right to self-defense... Sorry to burst your bubble on that one...

Border Security, however, is not a violation of the US Constitution... It is a duty of federal government, actually.

See to it!

The 2nd Amendment says "... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". That, of course, means that any so-called "law" that restricts infants, children, the insane, the mentally incompetent, the violent criminals, the incarcerated, those under so-called "court orders", and anyone else from keeping and/or bearing arms are 100% unconstitutional. - right?

PS - A "Presidential Decree" is NOT a "law" and, so far, there are no legally established limits on how far a "Presidential Decree" can extend.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Why can't Trump just pray for a wall hard enough to make his god build one for him?

Which "God" would that be?

Mammon?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

"Decades Low?" Who is telling you this crap? Have you never read what other presidents have said over several decades about the border crisis?

"The ongoing migration of persons to the United States in violation if our laws is a serious national problem detrimental to the interests of the United States." Ronald Reagan, 1982.

"All Americans ... are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country." Bill Clinton, 1995.

In a prime-time Oval Office speech in 2006, President Bush declared that securing our border is our basic responsibility and an "urgent requirement of our national security."

"We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked." Barack Obama, 2005.

It was widely reported in July 2014 that President Obama requested $3.7 Billion to "Deal With Border Crisis."

So, please tell me how a situation that has been in existence for 37 years and is at a historic low level qualifies as an "emergency" (especially when the person who said it was an "emergency" also said that he didn't have to declare an "emergency" to deal with it?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Which "God" would that be?

Mammon?

No, Gozer the Gozerian. Mammon's tied up in China and doesn't have any loot to spare.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Sure, what's wrong with opening their minds to creationism?

I have an even simpler theory.

What ACTUALLY happened is that God created a Universe that consisted of nothing except an infinite number of Hydrogen atoms that were evenly distributed throughout infinite space. Then, after looking at the array for an infinitely short period of time, God gave ONE of those atoms an infinitely tiny push in a single direction. After doing that, God sat back and waited for the 1,000,000,000,000,000[SUP]1,000,000,000,000,000[/SUP] bank shot to produce the Whole World and Everything In It Exactly As We See It Today (including all of the so-called "evidence" of things like dinosaurs, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the American Revolution, the War of 1812, the Mexican/American War, WWI, WWII, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and everything that happened prior to last Tuesday at 0937).

 

[gfm7175]

The 2nd Amendment says "... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". That, of course, means that any so-called "law" that restricts infants, children, the insane, the mentally incompetent, the violent criminals, the incarcerated, those under so-called "court orders", and anyone else from keeping and/or bearing arms are 100% unconstitutional. - right?

PS - A "Presidential Decree" is NOT a "law" and, so far, there are no legally established limits on how far a "Presidential Decree" can extend.

A "Presidential Decree" (in this case, regarding the National Emergency Act of 1976) cannot violate the US Constitution. It doesn't allow a President to become a dictator; they are still bound by the Constitution.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The USA is NOT a Democracy. It is a Federated Republic. Those forms of government were defined by Ancient Athens and Ancient Rome, respectively.


1) The USA is a Democracy.
2) The USA is a Republic.

Which one is it?

I do so love those people who do not know the difference between "a Democracy" and "a democracy".

The United States of America is NOT a "Federated Republic", the United States of America is a "Republic" and "Unitary Republic" at that. The American Civil War established that no part of the United States of America has the legal ability to leave "The Republic".

The United States of America is a "Republic" (a state where the head of government is NOT a hereditary position) that has a "Representative Democracy" form of government (one where the entire electorate [although "entire electorate" and "entire population" are not necessarily synonymous] chooses amongst itself to select individuals who will have the power to make decisions for the whole of the populace). A "Democracy" may be either a "Republic" (op. sit.) or a "Monarchy" (a state where the head of government IS a hereditary position) and has a "Direct Democracy" form of government (one where there is no formal government [there IS, generally, a "bureaucracy"] since ALL decisions are placed before the entire electorate.

NOTE:- A country that never has "elections" but rather changes governments through armed overthrow of the "current" government and the installation of the "new" government by force still qualifies as a "Republic".

PS - If you are aware of the actual mechanisms by which "candidates" (for BOTH the Republicans and the Democrats) are ACTUALLY selected, you would also be aware that the United States of America is more and more closely approximating an "Oligarchy" since the "general electorate" has almost completely lost the ability to have a significant say in the selection of the "candidates" between which they are given the opportunity to "choose". True, that is not what is taught in schools, but it is the situation in reality.

PPS - Under the system in place in Russia the theoretical system was that the "local electorate" in any "electoral district" was the source of the "candidate". This frequently resulted in there only being one "candidate" standing for "election" to any given position. This, of course, was roundly condemned as "undemocratic" by the Western nations. The fact that the people who were going to vote for the "candidate" had ALREADY, in effect, "cast their ballots" in the selection of the "candidate" was conveniently overlooked. That's what the Russian schools taught Russian children "The System" was. The fact that the "Backroom Boys" exercised an inordinate amount of influence in the selection of "candidates" was conveniently overlooked by the Russian educational system. You might want to also take note of the fact that the "Backroom Boys" in American political circles ALSO have an inordinate amount of influence in the selection of "candidates" is ALSO conveniently overlooked by the American educational system.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

A "Presidential Decree" (in this case, regarding the National Emergency Act of 1976) cannot violate the US Constitution. It doesn't allow a President to become a dictator; they are still bound by the Constitution.

And they all have "Legal Opinions" that what they want to do is "Constitutional" - don't they?

 

[ClaraD]

Stealing land along the border for a security wall seems less invasive than stealing wide swaths of prime property for the purpose of building an extensive system of highway interstates.

Wide swaths of land are at the border....800 miles in Texas alone....almost all of it is private property.

 

[MauiMan]

Sure, what's wrong with opening their minds to creationism?

Nothing. Take them to church.

 

[marke]

So, which of the two

1. EVOLUTION - "All currently existing life forms evolved from earlier life forms, but we don't know all of the reasons why."
2. CREATIONISM - "All currently existing life forms evolved from earlier life forms (except for "Man"), because God wanted it to happen that way and for no other reason. "Man" however was directly created by God in exactly their current form."

is the one that you consider to be "stupidity"?

Oh, wait, I got it, **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** is that because

God told us how He created life on earth and it was not by slow evolution. He created the heaven and earth and all that is in heaven and on earth in 6 days. Humans may be still slow to realize that life could not possibly have begun slowly with just a single elementary creature because that creature alone would have nothing to eat and no means of reproducing, among thousands of other problems too impossible to be overcome in that erroneous scenario.
​

everything that now exists is in exactly the same form as it was when it was created by God on September 17, 3928 B.C. - got it.

All that so-called "fossil evidence" was created by God at exactly the same time as everything else was and, since there are no dinosaurs today, there never were any.

God created all kinds of individual life forms during the beginning week of creation. There has never been anything like species changes due to massive interruptions and successful and permanent alterations or violations of the genetic code.

 

[marke]

So, please tell me how a situation that has been in existence for 37 years and is at a historic low level qualifies as an "emergency" (especially when the person who said it was an "emergency" also said that he didn't have to declare an "emergency" to deal with it?

Democrats had always supported common sense border security measures, until Trump was elected on promises to increase our border wall protections. Democrats have proven they will stop Trump at any cost from fulfilling his promise to the American people, not because they never supported walls before, but only now because they hate Trump and want to bring him and his promises down for purely partisan reasons. They regained control of the House in 2018 and have proven they will undermine the security of the nation and put our government at risk if that is what it takes to hurt Trump. This tack by democrats since the 2018 election has elevated the issue of tearing down border walls to the level of a serious threat to our national security.

 

[marke]

Wide swaths of land are at the border....800 miles in Texas alone....almost all of it is private property.

Eminent domain has ruled the American landscape for decades. Why the supposed problem now that Trump is president? What is the land owner going to say? Get the hell off my property, you pu**y-grabbing, yellow-haired, big money, white racist Nazi supporter. I hate Trump. I hate walls. I hate ICE. I hate border security. I love the democrats and socialism, even if socialists have to confiscate lands from owners for the common good.

 

[roguenuke]

God told us how He created life on earth and it was not by slow evolution. He created the heaven and earth and all that is in heaven and on earth in 6 days. Humans may be still slow to realize that life could not possibly have begun slowly with just a single elementary creature because that creature alone would have nothing to eat and no means of reproducing, among thousands of other problems too impossible to be overcome in that erroneous scenario.

A book written by man told you that, and many people do not believe that book. Even a good amount Christians. Many Christians believe in Evolution.

So a being existing without being created itself is possible, but life springing from changes in atoms and how they move and come together in a dynamic environment is impossible? That is absolutely absurd logic.

 

[roguenuke]

"Decades Low?" Who is telling you this crap? Have you never read what other presidents have said over several decades about the border crisis?

"The ongoing migration of persons to the United States in violation if our laws is a serious national problem detrimental to the interests of the United States." Ronald Reagan, 1982.

"All Americans ... are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country." Bill Clinton, 1995.

In a prime-time Oval Office speech in 2006, President Bush declared that securing our border is our basic responsibility and an "urgent requirement of our national security."

"We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked." Barack Obama, 2005.

It was widely reported in July 2014 that President Obama requested $3.7 Billion to "Deal With Border Crisis."

None of those quotes counter what you quoted. And what he posted is very factual. Additionally, those quotes in no way show that those Presidents supported building a border wall (some did, but not all).

 

[roguenuke]

Violates the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, and a person's natural right to self-defense... Sorry to burst your bubble on that one...

Border Security, however, is not a violation of the US Constitution... It is a duty of federal government, actually.

See to it!

And what the President is trying to do would violate seizure of property (since building a border wall would require the federal government to seize property from private citizens and states.

So then you believe the President could do absolutely anything in the name of "border security"?

 

[roguenuke]

Sure, what's wrong with opening their minds to creationism?

Creationism has no scientific foundation. It is not a scientific theory.

Churches and other religious entities are free to "open the minds" of anyone who wants to listen to them about that particular "theory" of how life began.