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Which is More Powerful

This guy did a study.

Don't get the tiny rounds, they aren't very effective at stopping someone. These are 22, 32 etc.

Every other pistol round is of equal effectiveness.

Except for the .357 magnum. It's a bit better but not a lot.

He didn't include the big rounds like the .50 because there wasn't enough data.

The study is on Youtube, it's worth a look.
 
swing_voter said:
This guy did a study.

Don't get the tiny rounds, they aren't very effective at stopping someone. These are 22, 32 etc.

Every other pistol round is of equal effectiveness.

Except for the .357 magnum. It's a bit better but not a lot.

He didn't include the big rounds like the .50 because there wasn't enough data.

The study is on Youtube, it's worth a look.
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What guy ?

Did he suggest that in some cases a 45" was better than a 5.56mm or is that totally irrelevant ?
 
=braindrain;1071467350]A 45 is not more lethal then a 556 round at any distance.
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At ANY distance? You have never shot a firearm have you?
The wound causing from a rifle round is orders of magnitude larger then any pistol round.
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Where do you get this crap at? Ever seen anyone shot? 9mm 124 HP (for that matter 115 HP) leaves a greater wound channel than a 7.62x39 FMJ.
Where you come up with this stuff is beyond me.
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Question is where do you?
 
braindrain said:
Let's see you post any evidence that supports your BS.

It's hilarious. There rarely is a day that goes by on this forum that you don't get proven to not have a clue what you are talking about. Yet you just keep it up. Most people would learn.
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Take ten and read. Learn.
 
Rich2018 said:
To be clear, suggesting that the .45" M-1911 is somehow better than a 5.56mm rifle at any range is wrong ?
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In close confines, for example a home's hallway, the average user who is not militarily trained may find the 1911 type pistol easier to use/manuever than an AR-15. If you are only talking about the actual rounds at very close range, I would have to look at a ballistics study. I dont know offhand how long it takes a .556 round to get to 3000 ft/sec and beyond.

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Maidenrules29 said:
In close confines, for example a home's hallway, the average user who is not militarily trained may find the 1911 type pistol easier to use/manuever than an AR-15. If you are only talking about the actual rounds at very close range, I would have to look at a ballistics study. I dont know offhand how long it takes a .556 round to get to 3000 ft/sec and beyond.

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Its maximum velocity is at the muzzle.
 
apdst said:
You can't prove me wrong. You never can. This is just one of your usual personal attacks.
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You proven wrong pretty much every day on this forum. You are just not able to realize it.


Here perhaps you can do a bit of learning

A Trauma Surgeon Talks About Wound Ballistics and Stopping Power - Weapons - POLICE Magazine

Handguns are lousy stoppers; it doesn't matter the caliber, they are just not great at stopping threats. Because of the ballistics profile and the amount of energy that a rifle round carries with it and dumps into the body, a rifle is a much better instrument to stop a threat.

Terminal Ballistics: How Bullets Wound and Kill - The Everyday Marksman
When you look at all of this, you see why handguns are much less effective compared to rifles.


Note let's see you provide any evidence that 45 auto is more lethal.
 
zsu2357 said:
At ANY distance? You have never shot a firearm have you?


Where do you get this crap at? Ever seen anyone shot? 9mm 124 HP (for that matter 115 HP) leaves a greater wound channel than a 7.62x39 FMJ.


Question is where do you?
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No not that much. It's just how I make a living and have been to the two best shooting schools USASOC offers. I shoot more in a average month then most shooters will do all year. Oh wait I guess I have done a fair amount of shooting. Let's see what your background consists of.

Lol. No it doesn't. You are horrible uneducated.

It's called science and real world testing. You should look into it.
 
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Rich2018 said:
It would be nice to think he would. Sadly I fear such a thought would be forlorn.
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What's the matter Rich. Tired of having your BS pointed out to many times.
 
I think in foot pounds of energy, the 223 blows the 45 away. We're talking similar mass at three or four times the velocity.
 
=swing_voter;1071471067]This guy did a study.
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Don't narrow it down to much. "This guy" really?

Don't get the tiny rounds, they aren't very effective at stopping someone. These are 22, 32 etc.
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Did "this guy" actually say "tiny rounds" or are those your words supplanted?

Every other pistol round is of equal effectiveness.
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Does that mean my 9mm is not very effective?

Except for the .357 magnum. It's a bit better but not a lot.
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If we are talking bullet 9mm= .355 and a little longer. You can get a .357 revolver with an interchangeable cylinder for 9mm or buy another for .38 special.

He didn't include the big rounds like the .50 because there wasn't enough data.
The study is on Youtube, it's worth a look.
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We have no idea of who HE is.
 
braindrain said:
What's the matter Rich. Tired of having your BS pointed out to many times.
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Flash. Rich isn't the one full of BS and has had it consistently pointed out to him. The Internets great isn't it? You get to be anyone one you want.
 
Rich2018 said:
Because I want to know pthers' opinions on whether a .45" ACP might prove more effective in home defense at pistol rangers.


I've read that, while a 5.56mm from a rifle is more powerful the an M-1911, the rifle round may pass through a human target.

Is this an irrelevance that can be ignored when selecting a home defense gun ?
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I would go with the .45 ACP as a 5.56 rifle round can over penetrate. The .45 ACP is a very effective self defense gun which is all the more reason people should be allowed to own handguns, self defense. There goes what you call an excuse out the window, its not an excuse at all, its a justification.
 
ecofarm said:
I think in foot pounds of energy, the 223 blows the 45 away. We're talking similar mass at three or four times the velocity.
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Actually the .45 has the 5.56 beat in mass but the velocity makes the difference. You're right though. Ft lbs energy the typical 5.56 beats the typical .45.
If that's the criteria the 5.56 is the more powerful round. In fact I wouldn't have any problem with that as a general statement.
Which is probably why I never said the .45 is more powerful than the 5.56.
 
RF667799 said:
Actually the .45 has the 5.56 beat in mass but the velocity makes the difference. You're right though. Ft lbs energy the typical 5.56 beats the typical .45.
If that's the criteria the 5.56 is the more powerful round. In fact I wouldn't have any problem with that as a general statement.
Which is probably why I never said the .45 is more powerful than the 5.56.
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Foot pounds of force. The 45 ranges from 360 to 600, generally in the 400s. The 223 ranges from 960 to 1350, generally in the 1300s.

That's three times the force.

.45 ACP - Wikipedia
.223 Remington - Wikipedia

I don't think one can ever say 400 ftlbs is more powerful than 1300 ftlbs.
 
zsu2357 said:
Flash. Rich isn't the one full of BS and has had it consistently pointed out to him. The Internets great isn't it? You get to be anyone one you want.
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What of my statements have been shown to be wrong. Oh thats right. None of them. You are just making crap up. But I am not surprised.

And I can back up all my claims. Which is a lot more then you can do.

But let's here your great experience level.
 
Rich2018 said:
It might be, but a 9mm round is better.
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In your opinion. Of course since there is no factual qualification to that opinion, it isn't of much value.

It's like saying," A Ford is faster than a Chevy."
 
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