What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

[nota bene]

"Natural born Americans" is someone born in America. Three of the four women were born in America. That, I would contend, means they are natural born Americans. Only a blithering idiot would tell someone born here to go back where you can from.

Moreover, it is well recognized that phrases like, "go back to Africa" or "go back to Puerto Rico," are racist slurs. It's not even arguable.

I think it is. I don't think what Trump said is racist. Awful, yes, and he deserves the criticism he's receiving; every American has a right to be here. But this, IMO, ugly jingoism rather than racism.

 

[Moderate Right]

Here the discussion is not about Media. Its about the tweets made my Trump. No one can modify his tweets whether the media is Anti-Trump or Trump, right? So, Lets be on the topic please

The tweets made by Trump AS REPORTED BY THE MEDIA. They took the bits and pieces of the tweets and reported what they wanted to report.

 

[tres borrachos]

The tweets made by Trump AS REPORTED BY THE MEDIA. They took the bits and pieces of the tweets and reported what they wanted to report.

The Tweets are right on Trump's Twitter page. Anyone with internet access can read them. Anyone with a working brain can interpret them.

 

[MTAtech]

The tweets made by Trump AS REPORTED BY THE MEDIA.

Yeah, the media is so unfair reporting verbatim what Trump typed into Twitter.

 

[MTAtech]

The Tweets are right on Trump's Twitter page. Anyone with internet access can read them. Anyone with a working brain can interpret them.

There is the problem. The Trump cult has been infected with a type of mind-control that resulted in that they lost the capacity to think for themselves, to make judgments, to find a rational basis for taking any sort of stand on principle. They believe what he tells them to believe, even if that is contrary to what they see or hear.

 

[Rickeroo]

I can't speak for those two women but after reading many of your posts, yeah, I view people of your ilk as the problem. See you look at you as one person but when millions of people who have the same views as you which I read as it's all about me, you become the problem and that's the whole republican party, it's all about me.

From my point of view, would Ilhan Omar (or any other democrat for that matter) take away or add to my American success? The fact that race is being used as "incentive" to get me to submit to reducing my standard of living - to be less American and to be more like poorer countries - is another layer of discontent I have for democrats.

 

[Rickeroo]

While you may attempt to twist meaning into something else, even this reasoning doesn’t hold up to cavalier scrutiny. Nothing any of these women say or do is contrary to American ideals.

On the contrary, Trump, who says he should stay in office longer than his legal term and calls the free press the “enemy of the people “ is the antithesis of American ideals.

Then what you are saying, essentially, is that the Squad is behind me 100% as a white man, paying taxes and living a decent life through personal responsibility? I don't see a white man on the Squad. They don't blame my whiteness or maleness?

Biased press (propaganda) is indeed the enemy of the people.

 

[tres borrachos]

There is the problem. The Trump cult has been infected with a type of mind-control that resulted in that they lost the capacity to think for themselves, to make judgments, to find a rational basis for taking any sort of stand on principle. They believe what he tells them to believe, even if that is contrary to what they see or hear.

They've also be conditioned by Trump to automatically blame everything on the enemy of the people (media). As evidenced by that post.

Does he not realize that the media can't edit Trump's own goddamn Twitter page?

 

[Rickeroo]

Ah, the socialism card. Nothing any of them believe is more socialist than Denmark, which I believe is a democracy. We have had Social Security for 80 years. Medicare and Medicaid for over 50 years,. Those programs are as American as apple pie. Yet, you people on the far right still scream socialism.

Actually it's more the 'blame the successful white male' card. It seems that my success is supposed to be because I'm crushing 'women of color' beneath me, standing on their crushed bodies and profiting from it.

I found out a while ago that regardless of whether 50 blacks get shot in Baltimore this month or 500, my success isn't based on their tragic lifestyle. I don't buy into whites profiting from "of color" people. This is what the Squad is trying to sell me.

 

[MTAtech]

Then what you are saying, essentially, is that the Squad is behind me 100% as a white man, paying taxes and living a decent life through personal responsibility? I don't see a white man on the Squad. They don't blame my whiteness or maleness?

Biased press (propaganda) is indeed the enemy of the people.

The bias the press has is a bias to the facts. That's the problem for Trump, because his statements are typically and widely at odds with the facts. So, reporting the facts is his enemy.

Regarding the differences between liberals and conservatives, as I've written here before, liberals believe in a free market economy in which society’s winners are taxed to pay for a social safety net. This is morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. The other side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how needy, amounts to theft.

How has this panned out over time? During the Gilded Age, income remained about as unequally distributed as it had been the late 19th century – or as it is today. Public policy did little to limit extremes of wealth and poverty, mainly because the political dominance of the elite remained intact; the politics of the era, in which working Americans were divided by racial, religious, and cultural issues, have recognizable parallels with modern politics.

FDR and the New Deal brought a new page. Income inequality declined drastically from the late 1930s to the mid 1940s, with working Americans saw unprecedented gains. Strong unions, a high minimum wage, and a progressive tax system limited inequality.

Then, at around 1980, movement conservative got a foothold in political dominance. As a result, taxes on the rich have fallen, and the holes in the safety net have gotten bigger, and inequality has soared. And the rise of movement conservatism is also at the heart of the bitter partisanship that characterizes politics today.

The Congresswomen in question merely want to defend the social safety net -- that existed for much of the last century and they want higher taxes on wealth, which also existed for much of the last century. The top 70% tax-rate that AOC took criticism for existed for most of the last century. It's not a radical idea at all. The radicals are those, like Trump, who want to eliminate social programs so taxes on the rich can decline.

 

[bongsaway]

From my point of view, would Ilhan Omar (or any other democrat for that matter) take away or add to my American success? The fact that race is being used as "incentive" to get me to submit to reducing my standard of living - to be less American and to be more like poorer countries - is another layer of discontent I have for democrats.

Once again you reply with an it's all about me answer. Can you tell me how uplifting the vast majority of americans will hurt you or take away from your american success?

 

[Mycroft]

Which "Congresswomen" did he "aim" his remarks at?

Wow...do you REALLY need me to give you the definitions of every single word he said?

"who came from other countries."

 

[Rickeroo]

The bias the press has is a bias to the facts. That's the problem for Trump, because his statements are typically and widely at odds with the facts. So, reporting the facts is his enemy.

Regarding the differences between liberals and conservatives, as I've written here before, liberals believe in a free market economy in which society’s winners are taxed to pay for a social safety net. This is morally superior to the capitalism red in tooth and claw we had before the New Deal. The other side believes that people have a right to keep what they earn, and that taxing them to support others, no matter how needy, amounts to theft.

How has this panned out over time? During the Gilded Age, income remained about as unequally distributed as it had been the late 19th century – or as it is today. Public policy did little to limit extremes of wealth and poverty, mainly because the political dominance of the elite remained intact; the politics of the era, in which working Americans were divided by racial, religious, and cultural issues, have recognizable parallels with modern politics.

FDR and the New Deal brought a new page. Income inequality declined drastically from the late 1930s to the mid 1940s, with working Americans saw unprecedented gains. Strong unions, a high minimum wage, and a progressive tax system limited inequality.

Then, at around 1980, movement conservative got a foothold in political dominance. As a result, taxes on the rich have fallen, and the holes in the safety net have gotten bigger, and inequality has soared. And the rise of movement conservatism is also at the heart of the bitter partisanship that characterizes politics today.

The Congresswomen in question merely want to defend the social safety net -- that existed for much of the last century and they want higher taxes on wealth, which also existed for much of the last century. The top 70% tax-rate that AOC took criticism for existed for most of the last century. It's not a radical idea at all. The radicals are those, like Trump, who want to eliminate social programs so taxes on the rich can decline.

The safety net is all well and good, but the Squad should also be talking about the white poor in Appalachia, perhaps have a representative from there. They are putting up a very racial front, this is a turn off to white people. The 'radical idea' isn't the social safety net - it is the racial aspect of the Squad.

 

[Rickeroo]

Once again you reply with an it's all about me answer. Can you tell me how uplifting the vast majority of americans will hurt you or take away from your american success?

Trump has done that, lowest unemployment for blacks in quite some time, and amazingly, whites too. If white success comes at the expense of black failure, it stands to reason that there would be an inverse relationship in racial employment rates: If blacks go up, whites must come down. This is not the case, and has never been the case.

Once that inverse relationship occurs, I'll vote for democrats.

 

[MTAtech]

Actually it's more the 'blame the successful white male' card. It seems that my success is supposed to be because I'm crushing 'women of color' beneath me, standing on their crushed bodies and profiting from it.

I found out a while ago that regardless of whether 50 blacks get shot in Baltimore this month or 500, my success isn't based on their tragic lifestyle. I don't buy into whites profiting from "of color" people. This is what the Squad is trying to sell me.

What you have fallen for is Trump's con of white disaffected Americans, who they assume that because he spews inflammatory rhetoric, he will defend them economically. The results show that he has double-crossed those people. Trump economic policies have been pure traditional G.O.P. -- tax-cuts on wealth and regulation cuts for corporations. As for disaffected, working-class Trump voters, they do, in fact, receive a lot of government benefits put in place by liberals. They’re almost totally dependent on Social Security for retirement, Medicare for health care when old, are quite dependent on food stamps, and many have recently received coverage from Obamacare. Quite a few receive disability payments too. They don’t want those benefits to go away. But they managed to convince themselves (with a lot of help from right-wing news sources) that they aren’t really beneficiaries of government programs, or that they’re not getting the “good welfare,” which only goes to Those People.

And you can really see this in the regional patterns. California is an affluent state, a heavy net contributor to the federal budget; it went 2-1 Clinton. West Virginia is poor and a huge net recipient of federal aid; it went 2 1/2-1 Trump. West Virginia has 1/3 of the population on Medicaid, which Trump and the G.O.P. want to slash. Also, if you believe that Americans with higher incomes shouldn’t pay for benefits provided to those with lower incomes, you should be calling on “donor” states like New Jersey and New York to cut off places like Kentucky, that in 2017, received $40 billion more from the federal government than it paid in taxes -- about one-fifth of the state’s G.D.P., and let Kentucky's economy collapse. And if that’s what you mean, you should let Mitch McConnell’s constituents know about it.

So, I don’t think any kind of economic analysis can explain this. It has to be about culture and, as always, race.

 

[MTAtech]

Trump has done that, lowest unemployment for blacks in quite some time, and amazingly, whites too. If white success comes at the expense of black failure, it stands to reason that there would be an inverse relationship in racial employment rates: If blacks go up, whites must come down. This is not the case, and has never been the case.

Once that inverse relationship occurs, I'll vote for democrats.

Yes, I know the Trump talking point. However, he can't point to a single effort of his that made it happen. He just happened to live at a time ehen general unemployment was falling. Black unemployment moves with general unemployment and general UE has been falling for ten years. Trump is the rooster taking credit for the sun rising.

 

[bongsaway]

Trump has done that, lowest unemployment for blacks in quite some time, and amazingly, whites too. If white success comes at the expense of black failure, it stands to reason that there would be an inverse relationship in racial employment rates: If blacks go up, whites must come down. This is not the case, and has never been the case.

Once that inverse relationship occurs, I'll vote for democrats.

Trump only continued the trend obama had set after the economic disaster of the bush/cheney administration. Black failure? I think it's more the effect of racism and living at the bottom of the economic ladder for decades with the help of white folks like J. Edgar Hoover for one. To claim anything different is being dishonest.

 

[MTAtech]

The safety net is all well and good, but the Squad should also be talking about the white poor in Appalachia, perhaps have a representative from there. They are putting up a very racial front, this is a turn off to white people. The 'radical idea' isn't the social safety net - it is the racial aspect of the Squad.

They do care about those in Appalachia. I also disagree that you think they are all about race. They aren't. From what I read from AOC, it's all economic. If you disagree, please provide quotes.

 

[tres borrachos]

Wow...do you REALLY need me to give you the definitions of every single word he said?

"who came from other countries."

Why don't you answer the question with some names. Who were the Congresswomen he aimed those comments to? You said it wasn't the four we're discussing.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...."

 

[Rickeroo]

What you have fallen for is Trump's con of white disaffected Americans, who they assume that because he spews inflammatory rhetoric, he will defend them economically. The results show that he has double-crossed those people. Trump economic policies have been pure traditional G.O.P. -- tax-cuts on wealth and regulation cuts for corporations. As for disaffected, working-class Trump voters, they do, in fact, receive a lot of government benefits put in place by liberals. They’re almost totally dependent on Social Security for retirement, Medicare for health care when old, are quite dependent on food stamps, and many have recently received coverage from Obamacare. Quite a few receive disability payments too. They don’t want those benefits to go away. But they managed to convince themselves (with a lot of help from right-wing news sources) that they aren’t really beneficiaries of government programs, or that they’re not getting the “good welfare,” which only goes to Those People.

And you can really see this in the regional patterns. California is an affluent state, a heavy net contributor to the federal budget; it went 2-1 Clinton. West Virginia is poor and a huge net recipient of federal aid; it went 2 1/2-1 Trump. West Virginia has 1/3 of the population on Medicaid, which Trump and the G.O.P. want to slash. Also, if you believe that Americans with higher incomes shouldn’t pay for benefits provided to those with lower incomes, you should be calling on “donor” states like New Jersey and New York to cut off places like Kentucky, that in 2017, received $40 billion more from the federal government than it paid in taxes -- about one-fifth of the state’s G.D.P., and let Kentucky's economy collapse. And if that’s what you mean, you should let Mitch McConnell’s constituents know about it.

So, I don’t think any kind of economic analysis can explain this. It has to be about culture and, as always, race.

Regardless of voting patterns, why are Kentucky's whites poor? The left would have me believe it's because they didn't step on enough blacks to get rich.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

President Donald Trump in his tweets has criticized the Democratic congresswomen by using racist language and asked them to go back to their broken and crime-infested countries. A President can talk like that. What do you feel about his comments?

This poll is literally a litmus test for racists.

 

[Rickeroo]

They do care about those in Appalachia. I also disagree that you think they are all about race. They aren't. From what I read from AOC, it's all economic. If you disagree, please provide quotes.

Get a white guy from Appalachia on the squad, then I'll believe they aren't all about race.

 

[Mycroft]

Why don't you answer the question with some names.

Trump didn't give any names.

What? You want me to guess? Nah...I'll leave that up to you.

 

[tres borrachos]

Trump didn't give any names.

What? You want me to guess? Nah...I'll leave that up to you.

Yes, you can tell us who he was talking about, since you're been twisting like a pretzel insisting it isn't who everyone assumes it is. Let's have the names of these "Congresswomen", and then confirmation from the White House to back it up.

 

[Mycroft]

Let's have the names of these "Congresswomen", and then confirmation from the White House to back it up.

You tell me.