What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[Beowulf]

What does the UK have to do with it? The point is that single payer healthcare can work. That the US govt wastes so much money shows there's an issue with what the US government is doing.

Single payer allows you to do away with many of the destructive forces in healthcare. The first and foremost being GREED. Insurance companies take 7%. Hospitals inflate prices, lie to patients to keep them in hospitals, prescribe the most expensive drugs. Doctors are being bribed by pharma companies which know they can charge ridiculous amounts, whereas in the UK they can't, because the NHS is working to REDUCE COSTS, not increase them.

Yeah, violence is always the answer.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

None of them would have guns when guns are outlawed. And the 102 lb woman would be very sad in this scenario. Thanks, gun grabbers.

So, you're saying the situation where a woman is outnumbered by three heavier guys would be better if she had a gun?

Let's run through the scenarios shall we.

No guns: Woman feels vulnerable, so she makes sure she stays with other people, or she doesn't go to dodgy places at all.

Guns: Woman feels like she's empowered. Three men all point guns at her, she can either try and shoot one of them and die, or give up, in which case it's exactly the same as if there were no guns as she's made that decision to go where she was vulnerable.

Sorry, I don't see how your point is better for her.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

Yeah, violence is always the answer.

Eh????

 

[Bullseye]

What does the UK have to do with it? The point is that single payer healthcare can work. That the US govt wastes so much money shows there's an issue with what the US government is doing.

Single payer allows you to do away with many of the destructive forces in healthcare. The first and foremost being GREED. Insurance companies take 7%. Hospitals inflate prices, lie to patients to keep them in hospitals, prescribe the most expensive drugs. Doctors are being bribed by pharma companies which know they can charge ridiculous amounts, whereas in the UK they can't, because the NHS is working to REDUCE COSTS, not increase them.

But reducing costs by denying services, extended wait times, or treatments is not a model most Americans would buy. Do yourself a favor and google "England healthcare problems"

 

[Beowulf]

So, you're saying the situation where a woman is outnumbered by three heavier guys would be better if she had a gun?

Let's run through the scenarios shall we.

No guns: Woman feels vulnerable, so she makes sure she stays with other people, or she doesn't go to dodgy places at all.

Guns: Woman feels like she's empowered. Three men all point guns at her, she can either try and shoot one of them and die, or give up, in which case it's exactly the same as if there were no guns as she's made that decision to go where she was vulnerable.

Sorry, I don't see how your point is better for her.

I don't agree with your idea to disarm victims. Sorry. It just seems mean-spirited.

 

[marke]

Because it is part of harming our society in many other incidents.

Harming our society? Do you know how many Americans are killed by gun violence each year? Do you know how many Americans own guns? How does that break down, one American killed every year for every 300,000 Americans who own guns? What about alcohol related deaths?
If you are passionate at reducing harm to our society then are you trying to outlaw alcohol which is responsible for maybe 100 times more American deaths each year than are killed by guns? The same is true with cars, which kill maybe a hundred times more Americans each year than guns. Should we outlaw cars? AOC apparently thinks so, but only because she thinks carbon in the atmosphere is going to kill us if we don't get rid of cars..

 

[haymarket]

You list several proposals, some of which have already been tried without success and you hide the fact that such proposals have not had the desired effects by claiming it may take decades for those proposals to start working? What if those proposals don't start working after decades? Will the leftists apologize by saying, "Oh well, our bad and too bad Americans had to give up their guns for nothing?"

We have to try ALL these proposals all over all fifty states without exception.

And you can keep your guns for the most part unless they fall into the assault weapon category.

 

[Beowulf]

Eh????

It was an ironic comment. Because you favor initiating violence against your fellow man in order to accomplish your objectives.

 

[haymarket]

Harming our society? Do you know how many Americans are killed by gun violence each year? Do you know how many Americans own guns? How does that break down, one American killed every year for every 300,000 Americans who own guns? What about alcohol related deaths?
If you are passionate at reducing harm to our society then are you trying to outlaw alcohol which is responsible for maybe 100 times more American deaths each year than are killed by guns? The same is true with cars, which kill maybe a hundred times more Americans each year than guns. Should we outlaw cars? AOC apparently thinks so, but only because she thinks carbon in the atmosphere is going to kill us if we don't get rid of cars..

I would be happy to examine your verifiable evidence of these alleged statistics on guns and cars should you present them.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

It was an ironic comment. Because you favor initiating violence against your fellow man in order to accomplish your objectives.

What? I favor initiating violence....? No, I don't.

 

[marke]

So the 102 lb woman just has to suck it up?

Apparently 20 unarmed Americans had to just suck it up in El Paso and deal with the fact that the gunman was going to kill them and they could not fight back.

 

[haymarket]

I asked you. Do you want to prevent a 102 lb woman from having the firearms necessary to defend herself from three 205 lb attackers. Did you forget?

I already said people should be able to defend themselves. Why do you ask repetitive crap that has already been addressed?

 

[Beowulf]

What? I favor initiating violence....? No, I don't.

Great. So then anyone can have any firearms they wish. Cool.

 

[Beowulf]

I already said people should be able to defend themselves. Why do you ask repetitive crap that has already been addressed?

Defend themselves with what, exactly?

 

[marke]

I would be happy to examine your verifiable evidence of these alleged statistics on guns and cars should you present them.

Have I got to do all your research for you? Are you aware that only 1 gun in every 10,000 guns in America is ever used to commit a crime? Why get rid of the tens of thousands of guns in any state just to try to get the crooks and thugs to give up theirs?

 

[Frigidweirdo]

Great. So then anyone can have any firearms they wish. Cool.

I am really, totally and utterly lost. What on Earth are you talking about?

 

[Beowulf]

I am really, totally and utterly lost. What on Earth are you talking about?

Do you or don't you advocate using violence in order to prevent your fellow man from possessing certain firearms?

 

[marke]

We have to try ALL these proposals all over all fifty states without exception.

And you can keep your guns for the most part unless they fall into the assault weapon category.

We don't have to double down on stupid unworkable ideas once we have discovered they have already been tried to little or no avail.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

Do you or don't you advocate using violence in order to prevent your fellow man from possessing certain firearms?

No, I don't.

People can choose to obey laws or they can choose to be criminals. There is a justice system in place for dealing with criminals.

You know, you really should stick to talking about what people write, and not make stuff up. It gets really tiring.

 

[Peter King]

Is your country plagued by racial, religious, and political division like mine is? No. Enjoy it while it lasts Peter.

But none of those issues where the ones you mentioned in that post, the lack of religion of being instructed there is no afterlife is one of the things you claimed were a reason as to why these shootings took place, I proved that is not the reason. Now you are trying to pull into it race, political division? Which are also not the real reason these shootings take place.

There is an issue where there are people with mental issues and an abundance of heavy weaponry that causes a lot of these shootings. The problem that people think they are entitled or better than others and if you combine that with anybody being able to get their hands on mass shooting weapons you have a problem. That problem has nothing to do with not believing in the afterlife though. Or the lack of religion.

 

[marke]

What does the UK have to do with it? The point is that single payer healthcare can work. That the US govt wastes so much money shows there's an issue with what the US government is doing.

Single payer allows you to do away with many of the destructive forces in healthcare. The first and foremost being GREED. Insurance companies take 7%. Hospitals inflate prices, lie to patients to keep them in hospitals, prescribe the most expensive drugs. Doctors are being bribed by pharma companies which know they can charge ridiculous amounts, whereas in the UK they can't, because the NHS is working to REDUCE COSTS, not increase them.

Here's the bottom line. If Congress can come up with the money then and only then let it try to come up with a workable plan for establishing a very expensive government healthcare program.

 

[Peter King]

Harming our society? Do you know how many Americans are killed by gun violence each year? Do you know how many Americans own guns? How does that break down, one American killed every year for every 300,000 Americans who own guns? What about alcohol related deaths?
If you are passionate at reducing harm to our society then are you trying to outlaw alcohol which is responsible for maybe 100 times more American deaths each year than are killed by guns? The same is true with cars, which kill maybe a hundred times more Americans each year than guns. Should we outlaw cars? AOC apparently thinks so, but only because she thinks carbon in the atmosphere is going to kill us if we don't get rid of cars..

The use of guns: shooting things or people

The use of cars: transporting people

How is your car statistic relevant to mass shootings? The fact is that in itself cars can kill people but are not that often used for that purpose on purpose. The fact is that guns are used to kill people on a regular basis and besides some accidents, a lot of these fatalities or attempts at fatalities are totally on purpose.

And your views on AOC are ridiculous. She does not thing carbon in the atmosphere is going to kill us, fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, snow storms, flooding and global warming is what is endangering our lives. Cutting carbon emissions is a solution in preventing those deaths. And why would she want to get rid of cars? Ever heard of electric cars? Hydrogen cars? Solar cars? Fuel efficient cars? She even drives cars and has no issue with people driving cars as a whole. It is the total emissions we as humans pump into the atmosphere that is changing our environment and warming up the planet. Nice was to make this into a political discussion about carbon because you clearly do not want people to talk about gun restrictions. That is one way to deflect of the issue but it is not going to solve anything to deflect a discussion that has to be had, even if it leads to nothing, it still has to be talked about at the highest levels and with the voters of the US.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

Here's the bottom line. If Congress can come up with the money then and only then let it try to come up with a workable plan for establishing a very expensive government healthcare program.

Here's the bottom line. The UK NHS costs less than the US federal government is currently spending on healthcare.

The money's already there.

 

[marke]

We have to try ALL these proposals all over all fifty states without exception.

And you can keep your guns for the most part unless they fall into the assault weapon category.

Your opinions are not shared by the majority of Americans and I also don't agree with them.

 

[charliebrown]

We absolutely ignore the health of the human brain.
If we instituted a yearly physical exam which included brain scans, then I think we as a society would be able to identify troubled human beings much more often than we currently are.

You would be amazed what physical damage can cause on a person. How about drug related damage to the brain?

If we do not monitor it on a wide scale basis, we will not effectively identify it, catch it and treat it as early as possible.

One other point I would like to make is this.

Most people are inundated with love their entire life so when they receive information associated with hate, they brush it off.

We are leaving far to many of our fellow citizens isolated in an unloving, uncaring environment. In those instances, external hateful ideas can penetrate so much easier.