What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[Masterhawk]

Good post.
800 a year are killed in Chicago alone, mostly black on black killings with illegal guns. What is the Governor of the state and the mayor of Chicago doing about it? Why isn’t the media reporting on this problem?
None of the democrat nominees addressed intercity problems during their Detroit debates.

Ikr, and Baltimore has one of the highest crime rates of any major US city.

 

[jet57]

We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.

First thing we do is ban assault rifles and 30 round clips.

 

[ttwtt78640]

First thing we do is ban assault rifles and 30 round clips.

Next we can hope that criminals will obey the new law. It is not working very well to have a nationwide ban of recreational "hard" drugs, but a scary black rifle ban is sure to work much better.

 

[jet57]

Next we can hope that criminals will obey the new law. It is not working very well to have a nationwide ban of recreational "hard" drugs, but a scary black rifle ban is sure to work much better.

If WE didn't make them and sell them in the first place the bad guys wouldn't have them now would they

 

[jet57]

It's time for law enforcement to use methods similar to the global database on terror. Gilroy is now history, and we're already talking about the next mass murder in El Paso. This needs to be treated like war. Stop it dead in it's tracks.

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The very first thing you do is disarm your enemy.

 

[ttwtt78640]

If WE didn't make them and sell them in the first place the bad guys wouldn't have them now would they

WE live in a global market and WE don't make the majority of those drugs, but WE still have an unhealthy portion of of the demand for them. WE have plenty of folks that simply will not obey laws.

 

[ttwtt78640]

The very first thing you do is disarm your enemy.

Hmm... how is that plan working?

 

[DiAnna]

There are too many things that our government could do that are blatantly not on the poll:

Government could remove gun show loopholes;

strengthen background checks on every firearm legally purchased to include any/all family members who might have access to said weapon to make sure felons and those who have documented mental health issues will not have access;

loosen psychiatric ethics/laws to allow names of potentially violent individuals with severe mental health issues to be included on the "firearm prohibited" background check list;

make it easier for family members to get meaningful mental health care for those who are a danger to themselves and others without having to hire a million lawyers and fight various gun/medical lobbyists in court;

ban automatic assault weapons (along with bazookas, missiles, rpgs and other weaponry clearly intended for military use) by private citizens, and also ban any bump stocks/"fixes" that turn semi-automatic weapons into full-on automatics;

require all gun owners to have a damned renewable license, similar to a driver's license, where they are forced to demonstrate their proficiency with and knowledge of the weapons they own.

That's just common sense, off the top of my head. The choice is not, as too many here would like us to believe, "the Second Amendment either means citizens can own any weapon they wish, or the government will confiscate all our guns and leave us defenseless."

This poll is useless lip service on a very sad day when more innocent people, and children, have been unnecessarily slaughtered... and will be ignored until the next slaughter, with more cloying lip service to that.

 

[Peter King]

Right, and in Germany this week, the 2 big stories involved migrant men going on attack sprees, with one African man pushing people onto a subway track killing a 7 year old boy, and a Syrian migrant who killed a man in the middle of a street in Stuttgart, in broad daylight. Police in the Stuttgart murder have offered little information about that case, other than warning the public that they may arrest people who post video of the incident (2 bystanders shot videos) online.

I don't recall liberals and progressives being particularly upset with Islamic terrorism or the new norms of migrant crime in Germany, but they are calling for all sorts of government intervention now that the kind of terrorism has seemed to changed currently.

1. none of these cases was a massacre

2. none of these cases involved firearms

Also, what does this have to do with US massacres with firearms?

That you do not know how liberals or progressives think about islamic terrorism is more your lack of insight into the views of liberals and progressives than anything else. The same goes with the views on migrant crime in Germany, something that was made possible by their conservative leader.

Also, the police in Stuttgart has given plenty of information about the stabbing in that town (of one foreigner stabbing another foreigner he used to live together with). The police may have warned people not to post video's of a crime has nothing to do with the nationality of the victim or the perpetrator. The police only gives out information without many specifics, that has nothing to do with this case, that has to do with the way they report crimes in the media. We do not have trial by media because the police and prosecution limit information prior to the trial.

Lastly, the crime of the stabbing on the street has to do with personal reasons only. Not terrorist or anything like that.

 

[Individual]

Perhaps a mandatory death penalty for ALL those convicted as a result of being involved in a crime where a gun was employed, regardless of it being fired or not.
Allow a choice of being hung or shot to those convicted, with execution promptly carried out.
If that doesn't eliminate violent crime, I'm certain it would reduce it greatly and completely eliminate repeat offenders.
Law abiding gun owners should not have to give up their guns, and those who put them to misuse should instead give up their lives as a result.
The only question is, what would become the NEW weapon of choice for those who wish to commit crimes and remain alive?

 

[marke]

I hate to say this, but maybe we should have to get a license to use the internet, and then make it mandatory to use our true identity. I think so many of these killers live in a different world online under different identities where you can treat people much more harshly than you would ever treat them in public, then it ultimately transfers over into the public in shootings.

If conservatives made their identity known their lives would be at risk due to hateful personal attacks from the left. Maxine Waters suggested her followers go out and attack republicans wherever they found them. Steve Scalise was shot by someone seeking to gun down republicans. The FRC was attacked by a lone gunman with intent to kill that was inspired by hateful rhetoric from SPLC.

 

[marke]

A legal handgun for which they have cleared a background check and have a license to carry and is registered.

If leftists think everyone should get a gun permit if he wants to own a gun, then what is wrong with the idea of making everyone get a voter ID if he wants to vote or a drivers license if he wants to drive?

 

[marke]

A legal handgun for which they have cleared a background check and have a license to carry and is registered.

We are finding a huge problem exists in America in which murderers who kill with guns never obey existing gun laws making it illegal for them to own a gun.

 

[marke]

Still awaiting your evidence on your assertions and your claims.

In the US, handguns are predominately used in murder cases, with 7,032 cases in 2017 alone, This is followed by firearms (type not stated) and knives or cutting instruments withn 3,096 and 1,591 cases respectively in 2017.
• Murder - number of victims by weapons used | Statista

About 88,000 U.S. deaths each year traced to alcohol use, study says

About 88,000 U.S. deaths each year traced to alcohol use, study says - Los Angeles Times

 

[marke]

That is just it - we have never tried it.

What laws in existence in Chicago, for example, banning thugs from owning guns, have been found to be effective? Leftists have not proved that thugs will give up guns if all Americans are disarmed, especially when thugs are not obeying sensible gun laws that are in existence already.

 

[marke]

Okay so I'll amend my comment. "Any person from the age of 18 to 25 that wants to own a firearm must first serve in the military, then and only then upon honorable discharge should they be given a license to own any weapon."

Timmy McVeigh served in the military and he killed lots of people without even using guns to do it. Bill Ayers did not serve in the military and he bombed lots of buildings and his commie comrades used guns to kill some innocent Americans. Timmy was branded a right winger and was executed. Bill is a liberal and was given accolades and prestigious teaching positions by the tainted US government. He was also given hundreds of millions of US tax dollars to blow however he wanted on whatever new ideas he had to push onto school kids in Chicago.

Bill Ayers also made one of then very first introductions of B. Obama to the political world from his own house in Chicago, not far from the million-dollar home a middle-eastern Muslim gave Obama before he had much time to get a job.

 

[marke]

First thing we do is ban assault rifles and 30 round clips.

How many innocent Americans are killed each year on average with an assault weapon with a 30 round clip?

By comparison, killers used a rifle on 323 people, 2.5% of all murders. Assault rifle murders aren't split out, but it's safe to assume it's less than 323.

Good Question: How Many People Are Killed By Assault Rifles? – WCCO | CBS Minnesota

By comparison:

About 88,000 U.S. deaths each year traced to alcohol use, study says - Los Angeles Times

 

[ocean515]

Guns have been around a long time in the US.

In fact, they were so important, it was the second issue the Founding Fathers addressed when forming the basic rules by which the United States of America was to operate.

Today, we have another young person going on a killing rampage. In Ohio, another shooter who has yet to be identified.

So logic would conclude, it's not the guns, it's the people who are doing the shooting.

Why?

We find a way to address that, we actually deal with the killing.

 

[Luther]

How many innocent Americans are killed each year on average with an assault weapon with a 30 round clip?

And Hand guns held the record for the most casualties in a mass killing all the way up to Aug, 2016

 

[marke]

If WE didn't make them and sell them in the first place the bad guys wouldn't have them now would they

Even if the government found a way to force honest Americans to give up 300 million guns, the thugs on the street would still have guns supplied from the 300 million given up by honest Americans as well as those supplied by black market gun makers and worldwide gun traffickers. Forcing good Americans to give up their guns so bad Americans will be safer from resistance in criminal enterprises and assaults is not a good idea.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.

It's America. You're never going to stop.

 

[marke]

The very first thing you do is disarm your enemy.

That is the democrat commie plan.

 

[haymarket]

RFID chips injected to people with visas so we can track down the overstays

Reminds me of that old Tom Cruise movie.

 

[haymarket]

So ban guns, just like heroin, meth, fentanyl, cocaine... Problem solved. :applaud

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Nope - we should NOT ban guns as you have the right to keep and bear arms. Lets simply restrict them as some laws always have done and make them unpopular, unsexy, and unmacho as we have done cigarettes.

 

[haymarket]

If leftists think everyone should get a gun permit if he wants to own a gun, then what is wrong with the idea of making everyone get a voter ID if he wants to vote or a drivers license if he wants to drive?

Because it is comparing apples to cinder blocks and then wondering why you copped your teeth eating that nice piece of pie.