What to do about the mass shootings in the US

[haymarket]

Hate...
let that sink in for a minute. Isn't that what is really causing these killings? So why are we hating at each other, hate this and that? I hear the frustration, but hate is not the answer.

What makes these people go out and kill? Dare I say it is lack of accountability, lack of hope, lack of faith, lack of believing in the ultimate judge?

And the occupant of the white house leads the flood of hate.

 

[haymarket]

That attitude just got 49 people shot.

That attitude has saved lots and lots and lots and lots of lives.

 

[haymarket]

Hmm... freedom + guns = hate? Mass shootings (and hate crimes) get loads of press yet account for very few of the total crime victim fatalities.

No - I am counting all gun deaths. These are just the most obviously offensive.

 

[Lovebug]

My, look at all the love dripping from each page.
What it seems to boil down to is that deplorable racists good for nothings who are worth far less than others, they are doing all the killing and certainly all the hating. That's what we are really are saying, right? Why not admit it?
But of course the ones who are demeaning them are so concerned about the humanity of it all and feel so good about themselves.
Talking about hatred? Come again? Nothing but oozing from the pages. Congratulations.

 

[haymarket]

Law enforcement in El Paso have guns. So how were 49 people shot?

Are you freaking serious? Anyone could shoot 50 people right this evening if I went to the right location and had the right weapons.

 

[Beowulf]

I am NOT talking about professional law enforcement people who must use guns as part of their job.

But then, I suspect you knew that.

So you're only talking about people who wish to defend themselves?

 

[haymarket]

Your anti-gun wish came true today. The number of guns at that Mall were "dramatically reduced" because an anti-2A law allowed the Mall to ban guns - while having NO duty to protect anyone. There was only ONE person with guns there - his. That is your wish - dramatically reducing the number of guns. It happened by a "Gun Free Zone" sign.

We know EXACTLY what the result of what you want is - because it happened again today. Your way you want in your message got another 49 people shot.

He was VERY insistent he would NOT attack any location where anyone was armed. Very specific about that. He would only attack a location that operated under your values and rules. Your side was not only on his side, your anti 2A made it happen, where otherwise it would not have.

That is a lot of right wing crap that no longer flies.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Law enforcement in El Paso have guns. So how were 49 people shot?

That is precisely the question that I have - this shooter continued firing for about 14 minutes after armed police (who never fired a shot) had arrived in response to a "mass shooting" 911 call. This has not yet proven to be as bad as the Parkland HS shooting LEO response, where they actually let the suspected shooter (already recognized and identified by the SRO) walk away from the crime scene, but seems to indicate that "setting up a perimeter" (we have you surrounded?) was the main LEO response. Not that I expect every LEO to be the "hero type" and charge into gunfire to take down an active shooter but the fact that not a single officer got a shot off while more victims were accumulating (and bleeding out?) is troubling to me.

 

[Lovebug]

And the occupant of the white house leads the flood of hate.

It is always the other guy, aint it?

 

[Peter King]

There are many components involved in the breakdown of American society, and yes, religion is one component. I don't care what works for a country of 17 million people, 90% of which are white. Its too late to pattern the USA after the Netherlands. Sorry Peter.

That is bull crap there Truth, you were the one who brought up religion, which is nonsense. As stated, we are a majority non-religious country but that does not make our country very violent or ready to commit massacres.

 

[haymarket]

So you're only talking about people who wish to defend themselves?

Go on - defend yourself. I have no problem with that. Just as I have no problem if you want to go in the privacy of your own house and pollute it with poisonous smoke and slowly kill yourself. Be my guest. It is your right as an American.

 

[haymarket]

It is always the other guy, aint it?

Trump is leading the hate hit parade. He has given license for the vermin to crawl out from under there rocks and pollute polite society.

 

[ttwtt78640]

He specifically stated he would NOT target any location that had ANY armed security. He was clear - he ONLY wanted a "soft" target - that he defined as unarmed and undefended.

He will NOT do well in prison. Unless he is kept isolated, he will end up wishing he had killed himself like he promised he would do rather than be taken alive. Waiting year after year after year for his execution.

Remember, this is the TEXAS prison system, not California. He'll get the death penalty and basically be in solitary for 20 years - unless Democrats take over the state and impose their no death penalty stance.

Since he believed he would kill himself in the end - then too much a coward to do so - he probably never considered that never, not another minute of his life, will he be able to go on the Internet. Ever. No Internet. No video games. No way to declare any more manifestos. He'll be in a small white room. A TV he can't pick the channel on. Books and magazines. Nothing else.

It is hard to say what a deranged, manifesto writing, loser expected - my point was that consequences for breaking laws (even capital murder) did not phase him enough to resist is plans of gaining internet infamy (whether he survived or not).

 

[ttwtt78640]

And so goes ttwtt.

Edit; Middel Ground, bless he heart, was just in that Walmart. She figures if FBI had greater leeway to investigate domestic terrorism, that might help.

But remember, your choice wasn't to have an answer on what to do...you didnt' evne need to go that far, you had the entirely of "any possible solution or investigation into a soltuion...something", and you ditehred.

Nothing should be done.
Something should be done.

You choose nothing. I don't need to look in a mirror ttwtt, I have one plastered to my forehead and I stare at it all day, every day. I prefer doing something. It's that simple.

So "simple" as to offer no definition of that "something" beyond asking that others come up with possibilities for that "something"?

 

[ttwtt78640]

No - I am counting all gun deaths. These are just the most obviously offensive.

Good luck getting the 2A repealed (or ignored).

 

[truthatallcost]

It is how cigarette smokers are treated. And it worked rather well.

Perhaps, or maybe cigarette smoking is losing popularity due to better education in schools which warn of the health risks, and the increased taxes on cigarettes. Shunning people as if they're lepers will only make them more angry, and willing to act out. I believe that a significant number of these shooters are probably maladjusted and feel shunned already.

 

[Crovax]

How you make us an isolated island?

Build the wall :mrgreen:

 

[Daisy]

My, look at all the love dripping from each page.
What it seems to boil down to is that deplorable racists good for nothings who are worth far less than others, they are doing all the killing and certainly all the hating. That's what we are really are saying, right? Why not admit it?
But of course the ones who are demeaning them are so concerned about the humanity of it all and feel so good about themselves.
Talking about hatred? Come again? Nothing but oozing from the pages. Congratulations.

Reminds me of a great quote...

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”― Friedrich W. Nietzsche

 

[Crovax]

Unless you purchase a conversion kit to make it automatic.

Those conversation kits are class 3 just like automatic weapons

 

[Beowulf]

Go on - defend yourself. I have no problem with that. Just as I have no problem if you want to go in the privacy of your own house and pollute it with poisonous smoke and slowly kill yourself. Be my guest. It is your right as an American.

You want to stigmatize the woman who wants to defend herself. That sound kind of mean-spirited.

 

[marke]

My seven year old granddaughter told me they had a drill in her public school where the girls from her class took refuge in a girls bathroom for "a long time" and some of the girls argued that they should stand on the toilets to fool the gunman who might look in.

When is enough enough?

Look - to all the right wing whack jobs out there - you are NOT going to go to war against the government someday so stick your excuses about needing your big firepower where the sun does not shine.
I for one have had it and all the lame excuses don't hold water anymore.

There is no indication whatsoever that disarming law-abiding Americans by the tens of millions will stop gun violence. None whatsoever. If lawmakers want to stop gun violence then let them come up with reasonable suggestions instead of Constitution-smashing commie poppycock.

 

[Beowulf]

We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal.

Why would we vilify a tool that allows a 102 lb woman to defend herself from three 250 lb men?

 

[marke]

For the last few years it has largely been a domestic radical right wing problem. I know of very incidents with American leftists committing these mass murders.

Solution? We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal. No other way around it. We have to drastically reduce the number of firearms in this country and greatly restrict their use.

Nothing else will be as effective.

Guns must be vilified? Is that going to stop thugs from killing people or doing violence to others? No, not even close. Gangsters will always be able to get guns and ammo on the black market like they have been doing for decades. Multiple gun laws have been passed and broken by thugs who don't give a flip about laws.

No, the answer is not to disarm all formerly free Americans just because leftists with bad understandings think disarming law-abiding Americans will somehow miraculously stop the violence. Let's put away the fantasies and fairy tales and try to come up with something that might at least have a tiny chance of working.

 

[marke]

Single-payer healthcare would make mental health care more accessible to millions of people. People need to be able to talk to a therapist about their issues with society, rather than let their resentments boil over into these atrocities.

Single-payer healthcare plans, like island vacation mansions, are very expensive and very hard on taxpayers trying to foot the bill for such extravagance.

 

[Mach]

So "simple" as to offer no definition of that "something" beyond asking that others come up with possibilities for that "something"?

Do nothing. Do something. You choose do nothing. Yes, defining what the something is comes after choosing something over nothing. I even made it clear that simply choosing to look into "what could be done", is something. I choose do something. Why would we quibble about the specifics of what to do, if your position is set firmly to doing nothing at all? I prefer to try and find root cause.