What is white privilege? [W:355]

[Bodi]

Re: What is white privilege?

These are the same group of people who aren't aware that whites have had privileges since the founding of USA.

Dude, we just had a black president and we have had black secretary of state, black joint chiefs, black supreme court judges... and I see black police chiefs, mayors, DA's etc in state after state after state.

 

[Nickyjo]

Re: What is white privilege?

Dude, we just had a black president and we have had black secretary of state, black joint chiefs, black supreme court judges... and I see black police chiefs, mayors, DA's etc in state after state after state.

Progress, but put those black judges and generals in civies in a car and some of us, cops included, see only color.

 

[armycowboy]

Re: What is white privilege?

Do you support the choice to not kneel?

Of course. Dont kneel if you don't want to kneel. I'm a retired Soldier and I'm going to kneel. How have you served this nation?

 

[LadyMoonlight]

Re: What is white privilege?

In social dynamics, the majority in question is the power majority, not the population majority. Thus, white people were the majority in South Africa under Apartheid. Thus, white people are the majority everywhere in the world today.

Whites are the power majority in China? In Japan? In India? I didn't know that!

 

[jpn]

Re: What is white privilege?

In 2008 Barack Obama couldn't support gay marriage. The American polity wasn't ready for it yet.

Twelve years later it's unthinkable for the Democratic Party to not fully support marriage equality.

This may be another break point in American society. Everyone can see the police acting brutally towards people protesting unwarranted police violence.

I'm sure there are good cops, and lots of them. But the good cops aren't policing the bad cops. This "us against them" mentality has obviously poisoned the ranks of the police.

This is our intervention. And once again, conservatives are out of step with the progress being made in America.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: What is white privilege?

Doesn’t matter if he was Charlie Manson or Martin Luther King, what the cop did was wrong.

I will wait on the trial to comment on that issue. But the man that died was a ruthless criminal. Do you know what he did to the pregnant woman?

 

[ecofarm]

Re: What is white privilege?

Whites are the power majority in China? In Japan? In India? I didn't know that!

White people are the power majority in the world. That's not a difficult fact to grasp.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: What is white privilege?

Whites are the power majority in China? In Japan? In India? I didn't know that!

And then there is Africa and South America. My goodness those evil whites are in charge. :roll:

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: What is white privilege?

White people are the power majority in the world. That's not a difficult fact to grasp.

Cracks me up reading how Democrats redefine words and phrases.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: What is white privilege?

Dude, we just had a black president and we have had black secretary of state, black joint chiefs, black supreme court judges... and I see black police chiefs, mayors, DA's etc in state after state after state.

We must only honor blacks and yell out Blacks lives matter or we are racist and bigots. :roll:

 

[swing_voter]

Re: What is white privilege?






Dave Chapel explains white privilege.

 

[Deuce]

Re: What is white privilege?

Race is not even among the top 50 reasons for our problems. Our major problems that appear to be going to last for many more years is Democrats and their failed ideology. When that vanishes, most of the rest settles down.

Real easy for a white person to say.

 

[Deuce]

Re: What is white privilege?

I’m totally calm. Believe me, it’s obvious when I loose my ****. I’m not the one calling anyone who disagrees with me racist.

Listen. You quoted a person disagreeing with you.

You responded like this was some dire assault on your right to have a different opinion. You're the one who freaked the **** out.

 

[Deuce]

Re: What is white privilege?

Yes, truly, that one incident proves that no black person can safely go jogging in the US.

Yeah, how dare anyone ever criticize a white man.

 

[Cramer]

Re: What is white privilege?

Methinks its also "long past time" folks cease their emotive moralistic tripe and their mouthing of pabum as a substitute for a thoughtful and coherent viewpoint. That you never had to deal with a real or imagined fear of a particular nature doesn't compel you to assume that the fear is real or that all similarly situated are so immersed in group myth that they can't see anything different.

Writers such as Shelby Steele, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and many others don't agree with your personal reality...so why don't you believe those successful and educated black people?

Until you can distance yourself from the "truthies" of groupthink culture, you are trapped by your own confirming bias.

When a handful of black people support conservative ideology, they are admired by conservatives.

And you bring up confirmation bias?

 

[Cramer]

Re: What is white privilege?

Dude, we just had a black president and we have had black secretary of state, black joint chiefs, black supreme court judges... and I see black police chiefs, mayors, DA's etc in state after state after state.

Since we elected a black POTUS, that means systemic and institutional racism has been cured?

Free at last?

Really?

 

[maxparrish]

Re: What is white privilege?

When a handful of black people support conservative ideology, they are admired by conservatives.

And you bring up confirmation bias?

You don't understand confirmation bias, do you? When "a handful" of black intellectuals disagree with black orthodoxy it is not confirmation bias; its recognition that the black experience and opinion isn't that of universally believing in a trope of relentless and monolithic oppression.

Confirmation bias is the opposite, it is looking for confirmation of a universality by finding a single example. But no one is claiming that these writers represent all or even the majority of black experience. THAT was the nuanced point that you failed to grasp.

 

[Cramer]

Re: What is white privilege?

You don't understand confirmation bias, do you? When "a handful" of black intellectuals disagree with black orthodoxy it is not confirmation bias; its recognition that the black experience and opinion isn't that of universally believing in a trope of relentless and monolithic oppression.

Confirmation bias is the opposite, it is looking for confirmation of a universality by finding a single example. But no one is claiming that these writers represent all or even the majority of black experience. THAT was the nuanced point that you failed to grasp.

You believe these particular black people because you agree with them. They are confirming your opinion/bias.

A confirmation bias is a type of cognitive bias that involves favoring information that confirms your previously existing beliefs or biases

 

[maxparrish]

Re: What is white privilege?

You believe these particular black people because you agree with them. They are confirming your opinion/bias.

We weren't speaking of my own personal beliefs, nor using them as evidence these beliefs are accurate. I am making the observation that not all blacks would agree with the poster, and cite them as examples. Period.

Whether you agree with them or not, black conservatives voices exist - that is slap your face reality that you can't seem to accept.

 

[dairyair]

Re: What is white privilege?

Dude, we just had a black president and we have had black secretary of state, black joint chiefs, black supreme court judges... and I see black police chiefs, mayors, DA's etc in state after state after state.

Yes, 1. How many white's have there been? How many females?
Have we got better, absolutely.
Are we to where skin color isn't even thought about as an issue? I don't think so.


Black Female Lawmaker In Minnesota Worries About Teenage Son's Safety : NPR
S RICHARDSON: Yes, for sure. But I feel like when I'm with them, it's almost like I feel like I'm really, like, one with them. I just feel like I'm more safe in a way. I feel like I'm more safe with more people around me than if I'm alone.

KING: Do you envy their freedom?

S RICHARDSON: Not really. I would say kind of, yes.

KING: Not really, kind of, yes. It's not like he'd come out and tell his friends that. It wouldn't change anything. So why focus on all this negative stuff?

S RICHARDSON: I mean, if I can't run in the neighborhood, it's like I can run on a track or something. You know, it's not the end of the world.

R RICHARDSON: It is the end of the world. It is the end of the world because if you can't run in our neighborhood, if you can't walk out into the world and just be seen as a 17-year-old boy who loves to run, there's something deeply wrong with that.

Blacks can't go for a jog in their neighborhood with out being harassed.

 

[dairyair]

Re: What is white privilege?

In 2008 Barack Obama couldn't support gay marriage. The American polity wasn't ready for it yet.

Twelve years later it's unthinkable for the Democratic Party to not fully support marriage equality.

This may be another break point in American society. Everyone can see the police acting brutally towards people protesting unwarranted police violence.

I'm sure there are good cops, and lots of them. But the good cops aren't policing the bad cops. This "us against them" mentality has obviously poisoned the ranks of the police.

This is our intervention. And once again, conservatives are out of step with the progress being made in America.

I always say, tomorrows liberals are today conservatives.

Yes, 15 yrs ago gay marriage was a very conservative hot topic. They are now liberalized and it isn't a big deal to most conservatives anymore.
Females can vote
Females and blacks are elected to public offices. So there's a big improvement from even the 1960s.

But skin color is still a big issue to many.

 

[dairyair]

Re: What is white privilege?

Let me know when you are capable of assessing any viewpoint than your own. :shrug:

That is really the crux of the issue.
So many can't understand the plight of others simple by seeing video or reading about those plights.

If they haven't lived it, they think it can't exist.

 

[dairyair]

Re: What is white privilege?

Oh I am and I’m seeing so much inconsistency and contradiction I wonder if you all even know what you believe. Are cops largely racist murderers or aren’t they? Is it wrong or dangerous to gather in protest in the midst of a pandemic or isn’t it? Are white supremacists responsible for the violence and looting and, if they are, why the call to understand it, not to mention the opposition to squashing/stopping it? If a police officer makes an arrest in a mostly minority neighborhood is he targeting that minority or is he actually more racist if he doesn’t arrest people committing crimes in minority communities? Should the color of anyone’s skin have any role it deciding how to respond to them?

Largely, no not even close.

But it only takes a few bad apples to ruin the whole batch.

 

[Cramer]

Re: What is white privilege?

We weren't speaking of my own personal beliefs, nor using them as evidence these beliefs are accurate. I am making the observation that not all blacks would agree with the poster, and cite them as examples. Period.

Whether you agree with them or not, black conservatives voices exist - that is slap your face reality that you can't seem to accept.

WTH? Of course I know black conservatives exist. They have every right to publish, post or speak any opinion they want.
I would also defend their right to do so.

I also have a right to disagree with them, and voice my opinions.

The way I see it, when 90% of a group of people feel/believe one way, and the other 10% feels/believes in an almost direct opposite way, I tend to put more cred in the 90%. I do not just blindly believe the 90%, there are many ways to determine the validity of those beliefs, with evidence and facts. Putting those pieces together is how I form my opinions. And I am always open to new evidence/information that may challenge my opinions.

I mainly discuss politics/history with people who disagree with me, as I want to learn from those with opposing views.
And there are times, my views have been altered.

 

[RealityNow]

Well you can believe what ever you like but this white privilege crap sounds like, well, crap. If it's as you say, why do some whites struggle and fail despite their privilege and why do some blacks struggle and excel despite being held under the burden of white privilege being held over their heads. Seems all whites would have to rise above all blacks for this crazy theory to hold water. The basic premise in America is, work hard and rise above. Million upon millions do it all the time, millions of every race. Yet, millions don't make it either despite their race. When I didn't make the basketball team in the 7th grade, where was my "white privilege"? I wish somebody would have notified the coach so I wouldn't have had to wait until the 8th grade.

If you don't understand what white privilege is, maybe you should just be quiet.... people and scholars have identified what it is a million time, if you'd read you'd have figured it out at your advanced age...

Recognizing white privilege begins with truly understanding the term itself.

Wwhite privilege is an invisible force that white people need to recognize. It is being able to walk into a store and find that the main displays of shampoo and panty hose are catered toward your hair type and skin tone. It is being able to turn on the television and see people of your race widely represented. It is as being able to move through life without being racially profiled or unfairly stereotyped.

White privilege is not the assumption that everything a white person has accomplished is unearned; most white people who have reached a high level of success worked extremely hard to get there. Instead, white privilege should be viewed as a built-in advantage, separate from one’s level of income or effort.

The more complicated truth: White privilege is both unconsciously enjoyed and consciously perpetuated. It is both on the surface and deeply embedded into American life. It is a weightless knapsack—and a weapon.

The “power of normal” goes beyond the local CVS. White people are also more likely to see positive portrayals of people who look like them on the news, on TV shows and in movies. They are more likely to be treated as individuals, rather than as representatives of (or exceptions to) a stereotyped racial identity. In other words, they are more often humanized and granted the benefit of the doubt. They are more likely to receive compassion, to be granted individual potential, to survive mistakes.

The “power of normal” goes beyond the local CVS. White people are also more likely to see positive portrayals of people who look like them on the news, on TV shows and in movies. They are more likely to be treated as individuals, rather than as representatives of (or exceptions to) a stereotyped racial identity. In other words, they are more often humanized and granted the benefit of the doubt. They are more likely to receive compassion, to be granted individual potential, to survive mistakes.

This has negative effects for people of color, who, without this privilege, face the consequences of racial profiling, stereotypes and lack of compassion for their struggles.

In these scenarios, white privilege includes the facts that:

White people are less likely to be followed, interrogated or searched by law enforcement because they look “suspicious.”
White people’s skin tone will not be a reason people hesitate to trust their credit or financial responsibility.
If white people are accused of a crime, they are less likely to be presumed guilty, less likely to be sentenced to death and more likely to be portrayed in a fair, nuanced manner by media outlets (see the #IfTheyGunnedMeDown campaign).
The personal faults or missteps of white people will likely not be used to later deny opportunities or compassion to people who share their racial identity.
This privilege is invisible to many white people because it seems reasonable that a person should be extended compassion as they move through the world. It seems logical that a person should have the chance to prove themselves individually before they are judged.

For someone like you, I guess it has to be put forth in the simplest of terms: It is not the absence of struggles in life, it's being able to deal with struggles and challenges and pursue opportunities and be treated more fairly by police and courts without race being a factor that invokes a level of hardship that becomes the basis of push back, denial, accusations, punishment and many other race based atrocities.