What is more important to you, life or guns?

[Logician Man]

:screwy

 

[TurtleDude]

:screwy

you afraid to quote the post that your stupid response targets?

 

[Logician Man]

you afraid to quote the post that your stupid response targets?

Are you afraid to answer the question posed to you in post #409 in the '2/3 of Americans want assault guns banned' thread ? It would most certainly appear to be the case. It's a legal question you ran from.

 

[TurtleDude]

are you afraid to answer the question posed to you in post #409 in the '2/3 of americans want assault guns banned' thread ? It would most certainly appear to be the case.

what does that have to do with this thread?

 

[joko104]

What were the amount of homicides before 1920? Where they drastically higher before the Firearms act of 1920?

I've posted the documentation before. The homicide rate in Europe prior to common people having firearms was 10,000% higher than now.

 

[TurtleDude]

I've posted the documentation before. The homicide rate in Europe prior to common people having firearms was 10,000% higher than now.

that can confuse some. The rate of violence in England has increased as England has tried to ban more and more personal arms

 

[TurtleDude]

Seems that is a YES.

Not exactly.

 

[Logician Man]

Not exactly.

As it stands, yes, it is 'exactly', as you've yet to answer the fair question.

 

[TurtleDude]

As it stands, yes, it is 'exactly', as you've yet to answer the fair question.

you constantly pose dilatory and stupid questions and claim they are fair, when we both know fairness has zero to do with this matter. I asked another poster what he thinks should happen to millions of gun owners who would not comply with a ban on them owning guns they currently owned, and you asked some stupid question that was an attempt to divert from my proper inquiry of that poster-a poster who seemed enamored with creating laws that do nothing useful but would make "criminals" out of millions of people who have done nothing objectively harm.

 

[Logician Man]

you constantly pose dilatory and stupid questions and claim they are fair, when we both know fairness has zero to do with this matter. I asked another poster what he thinks should happen to millions of gun owners who would not comply with a ban on them owning guns they currently owned, and you asked some stupid question that was an attempt to divert from my proper inquiry of that poster-a poster who seemed enamored with creating laws that do nothing useful but would make "criminals" out of millions of people who have done nothing objectively harm.

What 'stupid' question did I ask, 'specifically' ?

 

[TurtleDude]

What 'stupid' question did I ask, 'specifically' ?

the one you reference a few posts up-it is the most recent of many

 

[Logician Man]

the one you reference a few posts up-it is the most recent of many

Asking you what happens to those who refuse to adhere to the laws of the land is a 'stupid' question, in your 'opinion' ? Weren't you once in the business of prosecuting those who reused to adhere to the laws of the land ?

 

[TurtleDude]

Asking you what happens to those who refuse to adhere to the laws of the land is a 'stupid' question, in your 'opinion' ? Weren't you once in the business of prosecuting those who reused to adhere to the laws of the land ?

not relevant and dilatory

Take a hint-I am not going to answer your stupid questions that have nothing to do with the issue

 

[Logician Man]

not relevant and dilatory

Take a hint-I am not going to answer your stupid questions that have nothing to do with the issue

Just because you refuse to answer a fair and pertinent question about those who do not adhere to the laws of the land doesn't make that fair question 'stupid'. But it does reveal something else.

 

[Waddy]

you are assuming that crime control is what motivates the leaders and advocates for the anti gun movement. I don't think they really care about stopping crime-harassing honest gun owners is the real goal of that movement and that is why they ignore your suggestions

I have to agree. This idea is aimed at their political opponents. It is political. They believe most gun owners are mostly conservative; or Bubba liberals; a real liberal doesn't want to own a gun in the first place. They don't give a rat's ass if it actually reduces mass shootings. They want a political victory. Good thing Americans cling to their freedoms.

 

[Thorr]

that can confuse some. The rate of violence in England has increased as England has tried to ban more and more personal arms

It really hasn’t, unless there is another England I should know about.

 

[Thorr]

The US has always had higher amount of homicides than the UK and Australia even before those countries implemented their draconian gun control laws. So it doesn't prove draconian gun control works.

But the number of homicides has gone up in the US at the same time as going down in the UK and Australia SINCE these countries implemented their gun control laws. What is more, the rate of decrease is broadly comparable - suggesting a correlation. But hey, that’s just statistics.

You say that 14,000 is a relatively low number which I find absolutely staggering. By any measure it is way, way higher than any other 1st world country. Is that a record to be proud of?! Think of the millions of lives those 14,000 deaths would of affected - family, friends, colleagues, even those who witnessed the murders. Think of the affect that has on mental health - often cited as a cause to mass shootings.... wouldn’t you prefer to have a comparable homicide rate to that of the UK or Australia?

 

[vegas giants]

I've posted the documentation before. The homicide rate in Europe prior to common people having firearms was 10,000% higher than now.

That is laughably incorrect. Lol

 

[jamesrage]

Er, how so?

We know this because this homicides went up and down after the 1996 handgun ban. They didn't dramatically drop.

 

[jamesrage]

But the number of homicides has gone up in the US at the same time as going down in the UK and Australia SINCE these countries implemented their gun control laws. What is more, the rate of decrease is broadly comparable - suggesting a correlation. But hey, that’s just statistics.

You say that 14,000 is a relatively low number which I find absolutely staggering. By any measure it is way, way higher than any other 1st world country. Is that a record to be proud of?! Think of the millions of lives those 14,000 deaths would of affected - family, friends, colleagues, even those who witnessed the murders. Think of the affect that has on mental health - often cited as a cause to mass shootings.... wouldn’t you prefer to have a comparable homicide rate to that of the UK or Australia?

We have a population of 320 million. So 14,000 homicides(most of which are gang related crimes) committed with the use of a firearm are low.Especially out the nearly 394 firearms owned by Americans.

I have yet to see anything that proves the UK or Australia's homicides went significantly down after enacting their draconian gun control laws. So saying they have have less homicides means absolutely nothing when they already have had a lot lower homicides than the US.

 

[vegas giants]

We have a population of 320 million. So 14,000 homicides(most of which are gang related crimes) committed with the use of a firearm are low.Especially out the nearly 394 firearms owned by Americans.

I have yet to see anything that proves the UK or Australia's homicides went significantly down after enacting their draconian gun control laws. So saying they have have less homicides means absolutely nothing when they already have had a lot lower homicides than the US.

39,000 gun deaths

 

[Frigidweirdo]

We know this because this homicides went up and down after the 1996 handgun ban. They didn't dramatically drop.

"Mass shootings are statistically rare compared to regular murders. All a gun ban did for the UK was just change the way most murder victims were murdered."

The problem is, you're ignoring EVERYTHING. You're literally trying to say that because there was a handgun ban, that this then had an impact on crime. A simplistic "well, murder went up, isn't it?" doesn't really cut it here.

The UK was changing at the time, Yardies were becoming an issue at around this time, bringing Jamaican crime with them that took nearly a decade to get a grip on.

 

[jamesrage]

Watching children murdered in math class and not seeing a problem is criminal.


Just criminal

Put armed personel in schools, get rid of the gun free zone signs and allow some teachers to be armed and kids getting murdered in math class will be a thing of the past.

 

[lurchadams]

Every heard the of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is in the Declaration of Independence. I find it interesting that as part of our God given rights, life comes before liberty and happiness. In our country that is no longer true. Life seems to come after guns. To so many Americans the loss of life is just what people have to pay so they can have all and any type of guns they want. Some on this board actually believe that the weapons they should be able to own include something like the M259 Saw, a weapon that is fully automatic and can put out up to 800 rounds per minute. Just think how many lives would have been lost if the Dayton or El Paso shooter would have been able to buy that kind of weapon at any gun shop? I come from a military family and none of my family think that the public should be able to buy military weapons. I think we ought to change the Declaration to say instead of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" to "semiautomatics rifles, automatic pistols and body armor". Doesn't have the same punch, but is more closely in tune with modern day America.

The thing is - we can have both. In my opinion there's no reason for private citizens to own assault rifles with 100-round magazines. Having said that, if I thought I needed a hand gun for personal protection, I'd buy one and don't have any trouble with other law-abiding folk that wish to do the same.

 

[TurtleDude]

Put armed personel in schools, get rid of the gun free zone signs and allow some teachers to be armed and kids getting murdered in math class will be a thing of the past.

and when a teacher or staff member mozambiques some angry nutcase, make sure the shooter is lionized in the press, and the asshole who was wasted, gets almost no press at all. These losers who take out their hatred of themselves, as active shooters, want publicity.