What happened to the GOP I once voted for?

[3leftsdoo]

Democrats = Delusional

Dangerously delusional.

 

[marke]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

For those who only believe what they are told by leftists those Ukrainians who confessed in court to trying to sabotage Trump in 2016 do not exist.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Do I have to tell you that every intelligence agency in our government knows that the Russians were the ones, but then you would rather believe Trump as he for sure knows it was not the Russians because Putin told him so. Use your brain and THINK. Does Ukraine's have the finances and the ability to do all that the Russians did? Of course not, Ukraine has to ask us for money just to keep their country out of the hands of the Russians. Only idiots like the GOP Senators would believe it was Ukraine, although they probably do not believe it. They just say they do to stay in Trump's good graces so they can keep their jobs.

Debunk this article?

The Full Scope of Ukraine’s Impact on the 2016 Election Has Yet to Be Examined | The Nation

 

[Oborosen]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

It's because we have evidence and testimony to say otherwise. That's why more than enough people are convinced Ukraine had something to do with it all as well.

 

[jnug]

If the people are not willing to fight for their freedom they deserve the government they have. If all this ballot stuffing is happening and the people are OK with it then they have what they deserve. You reap what you sow.

More Russians have fought and died in wars than Americans by a wide margin. They are likely tired of fighting and dying. They have likely given up fighting corruption as well. They have decided to join in. They have never accomplished any of their many transitions from Royalty through Bolshevism through Communism to their halfassed democracy in such a way as to not be overwhelmed by massive corruption.

Your initial POINT was that they have democracy now. They really don't. They simply have another wave of corruption, one focused much more at the top. They are really pretty close to being back to royalty with Putin often trying to find ways to attach himself to the Royal family. Russians are fine with that. Their lot in life is to now hope that Putin can rob and plunder Russia back to some sort of stature in the world.

 

[TomFitz]

Do I have to tell you that every intelligence agency in our government knows that the Russians were the ones, but then you would rather believe Trump as he for sure knows it was not the Russians because Putin told him so. Use your brain and THINK. Does Ukraine's have the finances and the ability to do all that the Russians did? Of course not, Ukraine has to ask us for money just to keep their country out of the hands of the Russians. Only idiots like the GOP Senators would believe it was Ukraine, although they probably do not believe it. They just say they do to stay in Trump's good graces so they can keep their jobs.

Don’t bother.

This is the new Trumpster game.

They post some idiotic and obviously false nonsense laced with vitriol and made up childish names.

Then they pretend they don’t know the basic facts, going all the way back to the beginning (some don’t).

Then they ask questions they already know the answers too for the express purpose of ridiculing the facts and doing more name calling.

I’ve seen three other Trumpster run the exact same play in the last two days.

It’s what the reactionary right does when its narrative implodes.

 

[TomFitz]

Media Acknowledged Ukrainian Meddling Until It Hurt Impeachment Efforts


Sure looks like theres some dirty hands in the Ukraine to me.

As for our inteligence communities accusations against Russia, i sure would like to know what they are basimg thier conclussions on. Is it all bwsed on the DNC server that they were never given permission to check or is there more?

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IT was all documented in excruciating detail in the Mueller Report. Right down to the names of the officers who ran the Russian campaign.

But pretending you don’t know stuff that has already been extensively reported on and discussed and is documented with fact and testimony, is the game all you Trumpsters are playing now.

 

[jnug]

Media Acknowledged Ukrainian Meddling Until It Hurt Impeachment Efforts


Sure looks like theres some dirty hands in the Ukraine to me.

As for our inteligence communities accusations against Russia, i sure would like to know what they are basimg thier conclussions on. Is it all bwsed on the DNC server that they were never given permission to check or is there more?

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You are apparently another slave to the talking heads of News Channels. Ukraine meddles. Every ally we have meddles in our elections. There is a difference between election meddling and maligned election interference sponsored from and managed from the very top of an adversarial foreign nation state which is what Russia has engaged in.

But of course the talking heads of the news channels sometimes get the distinction right, sometimes don't. They are just riffing anyway. The hosts are the only people that prepare at all and the rest are just paid to riff in public. Their preparation is appallingly bad and it shows. They often cannot even put a coherent sentence together. But of course many of you likely consider that a feature not a bug. Eventually you will be praising them for "plain speaking" just as the Mighty Gibberish Speaker in Chief is praised for "plain speaking".

 

[haymarket]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

The Republican Party sold their soul to the devil that is Donald Trump and have grown comfortable with the smell of sulphur and brimstone in their clothing. They care far far more about their own collective careers and the party than they do the nation and the American people.

Its worse than sad. Its betrayal of America and reason.

 

[Exquisitor]

The Republican Party sold their soul to the devil that is Donald Trump and have grown comfortable with the smell of sulphur and brimstone in their clothing. They care far far more about their own collective careers and the party than they do the nation and the American people.

Its worse than sad. Its betrayal of America and reason.

So too is the tax cut a betrayal, letting the rich take money out of the country on the credit card.

 

[Ikari]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

It's been going downhill for some time. I left during the G. W. years. But this current situation with Trump has certainly highlighted how far down the Party-Before-Country hole the GOP has gone. It's sickening.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Fox news happened and Republicans capitalized on the BS being spread by Fox news so they can get votes.

Also, Reagan started the worshipping of the rich BS that transferred all the wealth and power to the rich, who now control the politicians, on top of stacking of the courts with pro corporate right wing justices. Yes, even democrats, which is why so many of them are moderate and why the news media is trying it discredit the actual liberal candidates to push moderate like Joe. Even Obama was moderate

 

[independentusa]

Democrats = Delusional

Dangerously delusional.

You are right, the Dems are delusional. They actually believe in our constitution and our democracy where every citizen gets to vote and every vote counts as much as the next one. The GOP does not believe in any of those things. They want to make it hard for those who do not agree with them to vote. They want to use gerrymandering so that GOP voter's votes count more than Dems. The GOP is willing to sell out this country to the Russians to insure their great orange leader can do anything he wants and get away with it. Yes, the Dems are delusional and dangerously so and will remain so until they starting fighting back. The GOP has become an authoritarian party where the wealthy can buy our government. I guess we are becoming very similar to what Russia has become.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I also voted Republican when I was younger but as I matured and listened to Republican voters around me, like at parties or get togethers or holidays and such, I realized how horrible some of those people are.

So I gradually, when given the opportunity, asked them their real views about race and religion and stuff.

And then I was disgusted.

 

[Visbek]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

Well, you're probably not going to like my answer, but...

The key is that most Republican policies today aren't very popular.

Most Americans want Social Security, the ACA or a similar program, Medicaid expansion, taxes on the wealthy, more green policies, education spending, paid maternity leave, better labor protections, minimum wage hikes, legal marijuana -- the list goes on. Americans don't always want to pay for those policies, but they definitely want it.

Even when Americans say they want less government in the abstract, their policy preferences indicate otherwise. Pew does a survey on this every few years.



Little Public Support for Reductions in Federal Spending | Pew Research Center

One result of this is that the Republican "base" is shrinking. Ever since Nixon touted his "Southern Strategy," the Republican party has used minorities as scapegoats for various problems. This strategy worked for decades, but now that minority populations are growing as a percentage of the electorate, Republicans find their appeal is narrowing. Some Republicans picked up on this after the 2008 and 2012 defeats, resulting in a 2012 "Autopsy Report" where the RNC stated that for its long-term health, it needed to figure out how to appeal to minorities.

Obviously, that didn't happen. Instead, Trump exacerbated racial animus, in order to get out the white vote. While many Republicans were initially reluctant about his candidacy, the establishment decided that it could not afford to alienate the rabid Trump voters. Trump has also successfully browbeat some already-weak Republican elected officials out of office. Plus, most voters don't pay close attention to politics anyway, thus they don't care about his many outrages and threats to our political culture (including Trump's indulgences in conspiracy theories and autocratic tendencies).

Trump's adoration for Russia is rather obvious. He wants to be an autocrat, thus he loves autocrats like Putin, Erdogan, Duterte, Modi and so on. In addition, Russia obviously aided Trump's campaign, and is likely to interfere again to his benefit in 2020. Trump's many sycophants don't care that he is leaning into Russian disinformation because -- despite electoral results in 2018 and 2019 which indicate that he can't produce electoral victories -- they believe that stumping for Trump will improve their electoral prospects.

There are broader issues involved as well. The electorate has also become more polarized over the years. As a result, both parties' elected officials get pushed to the extremes in the primaries, and have trouble pivoting back to the center in national elections, or don't have to bother in many states. This has become exacerbated by people geographically self-sorting, which results in a greater "Red-Blue" divide. One result is that Ronald Reagan, once a star of the Republican Party, would be derided as a "RINO" today.

One result of all this is that Republicans are now relying heavily on anti-democratic measures such as gerrymandering, appealing to rural voters, infringing on voter's rights, and undermining democratic processes. That won't hold back the demographic tidal waves much longer.

I don't expect things to get any better for the GOP. By doubling down on unpopular policies, racial divisions, rural voters and aggrieved white men, they are burning their electoral prospects for decades to come. Trump will eventually go away, and will likely meet a similar fate as Bush 43 when he does, but the stench of what he's done to the Republican party will not disappear any time soon.

 

[SoCal]

You do know that Russia is no longer a communist country. Russia has elections. Russia has an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. Russia has a constitution and list of rights for it's citizens. Sound familiar.

Our two countries have so much in common. I think the Repubs should run on this platform. Don could lead the effort to make Russia our ally between now and the election. And while we're at it, why not propose they be invited into NATO?..

 

[calamity]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

I can't tell if they are just pandering to their increasingly dumber, rapidly dwindling base or if Putin has pictures. Seeing what happened to Katie Hill, my money is on pictures.

 

[Obscurity]

Salem Media, Center for National Policy, the likes of Christian Nationalists like Falwell, Orwellian theocrats like AG Barr have co-opted it, entirely, and have used an insidious, malignant voter engagement tactic to activate small voter blocs on conservative social issues across a specific set of states in order to win national elections.

The voters think Trump is better than Lincoln, which is hysterical.

As you can see, the theocratic influence, christian nationalism, is undeniable in the republican party anymore. It's become a party of theocrats.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

What makes you think you know the truth about the Ukraine matter when you dont even know the truth about Trump's shortcomings?

You know NOTHING about Trump's good side and that makes you only half informed. And not even that much because all you know are some lies mixed with some truth and some myth and some innuendos which you are told is the truth.

And Trump supporters regularly have to educate you guys, one spoonful at a time, to get you in touch with reality.

So, now that you 50%ers want to believe that YOU and no one else, has the truth about Ukraine.

Pathetic Dem wits.

:roll:

Just ****ing stop with this lame ass trolling. You just described right wingers to a tee

 

[SCrider]

You do know that Russia is no longer a communist country. Russia has elections. Russia has an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. Russia has a constitution and list of rights for it's citizens. Sound familiar.

That's adorable.....

 

[jnug]

Salem Media, Center for National Policy, the likes of Christian Nationalists like Falwell, Orwellian theocrats like AG Barr have co-opted it, entirely, and have used an insidious, malignant voter engagement tactic to activate small voter blocs on conservative social issues across a specific set of states in order to win national elections.

The voters think Trump is better than Lincoln, which is hysterical.

As you can see, the theocratic influence, christian nationalism, is undeniable in the republican party anymore. It's become a party of theocrats.

I know I put this in another thread a week or two ago. In the process of learning how to survive as a minority party the GOP learned that its not how many you have. Its how many you can bring to the point of attack. Oldest football maxim there is.

 

[Obscurity]

I know I put this in another thread a week or two ago. In the process of learning how to survive as a minority party the GOP learned that its not how many you have. Its how many you can bring to the point of attack. Oldest football maxim there is.

Yes, but it wasn't the GOP. It's a conglomerate of christian nationalists, elite technocrats, and other bourgeois donors.

 

[bradt99]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

I doubt you were ever a republican, but nice try.

 

[bradt99]

Salem Media, Center for National Policy, the likes of Christian Nationalists like Falwell, Orwellian theocrats like AG Barr have co-opted it, entirely, and have used an insidious, malignant voter engagement tactic to activate small voter blocs on conservative social issues across a specific set of states in order to win national elections.

The voters think Trump is better than Lincoln, which is hysterical.

As you can see, the theocratic influence, christian nationalism, is undeniable in the republican party anymore. It's become a party of theocrats.

The left hated Lincoln, I mean one of their own did shoot him in the back of the head.

 

[Craig234]

makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them.

Watching centrists eventually recognize some things is good, but man, it takes a lot of patience. Up next: "Some people will actually steal sometimes?? When did that start?"