What happened to the GOP I once voted for?

[ludin]

All of our allies meddle in US elections. There is an ocean of dif between the meddling of an ally in a US election and the maligned election interference sponsored and managed from the very top of the government of an adversarial nation state which is what Russia did.

yep and they tried to help the clinton campaign proven by the steele document.
why was mueller not knocking down clinton office doors for her servers and things.

ol yea bleachbit took care of that.

 

[OscarLevant]

Leftist denial fallacies are no longer valid.
It was top Ukrainian government workers that reached out to the clinton staff. There were meetings and everything.

Also the Ukrainian court just charged a few more government officials for meddling.

No where was Russia mentioned in those court cases. So if the Ukrainian courts charge their own people for meddling that would be called a fact.

The only Russian disinformation campaign was the Steelers report. The entire thing was proven false, and full of Russian disinformation.

Even if it's not disinformation, which I doubt, what remains of my comment is still true:

Putin's IRA was a massive campaign, millions were spent, it was a highly organized Putin directed military hacking and social media bot campaign which was extensively documented in great detail by the Mueller report.


So, a couple of dudes in Ukraine did what, talk to the Hillary campaign?

Are you kidding?

The Steele dossier was provided as raw intel, not as evidence, and the salient aspects have been confirmed.


In the meantime, please provide evidence of your claim. Thank you.

 

[ludin]

Even if it's not disinformation, which I doubt, what remains of my comment is still true:

No it doesn't i means that your comment was not true.
as i said facts don't care about your feelings.

The Steele dossier was provided as raw intel, not as evidence, and the salient aspects have been confirmed.
In the meantime, please provide evidence of your claim. Thank you.

it doesn't matter what i provide you will ignore facts like all leftist but i will do so anyway again for the 1 millionth time.

FBI's spreadsheet puts a stake through the heart of Steele's dossier | TheHill
Multiple sources familiar with the FBI spreadsheet tell me the vast majority of Steele’s claims were deemed to be wrong, or could not be corroborated even with the most awesome tools available to the U.S. intelligence community. One source estimated the spreadsheet found upward of 90 percent of the dossier’s claims to be either wrong, nonverifiable or open-source intelligence found with a Google search.

“The spreadsheet was a sea of blanks, meaning most claims couldn’t be corroborated, and those things that were found in classified intelligence suggested Steele’s intelligence was partly or totally inaccurate on several claims,” one source told me.

The FBI came to suspect that the Russian misled Steele, either intentionally or through exaggeration, the sources said.

The spreadsheet and a subsequent report by special prosecutor Robert Mueller show just how far off the seminal claims in the Steele dossier turned out to be.

For example, U.S. intelligence found no evidence that Carter Page, during a trip to Moscow in July 2016, secretly met with two associates of Vladimir Putin — Rosneft oil executive Igor Sechin and senior government official Igor Divyekin — as part of the effort to collude with the Trump campaign, as Steele reported.

Ukraine witness said Steele dossier was 'rabbit hole' and likely contained Russian 'disinformation'

But Hill also told congressional investigators she was shocked to learn about Steele’s role in the 2016 election and was concerned that the Kremlin inserted falsehoods into the salacious and unverified dossier used by the DOJ and the FBI in Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants to target Trump campaign associate Carter Page. She told Republican Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio she believed Steele's dossier was "a rabbit hole," too.

not that you care leftist don't like facts.

 

[calamity]

yep and they tried to help the clinton campaign proven by the steele document.
why was mueller not knocking down clinton office doors for her servers and things.

ol yea bleachbit took care of that.

Good grief. The stupidity of this post is legion, especially the bold. The Steele document showed national security breeches by the Trump team. It wasn’t an effort to “help the Clinton campaign.” That’s ridiculous.

 

[Mashmont]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

It's because this witch hunt is FAKE!! It's a coverup for the attempted coup that took place. As Mr. Barr will soon reveal. Democrats will be going to PRISON!

 

[calamity]

It's because this witch hunt is FAKE!! It's a coverup for the attempted coup that took place. As Mr. Barr will soon reveal. Democrats will be going to PRISON!

lol...no one but the idiots watching Fox believe that nonsense. Hell, the people on Fox don't even believe it. But, spewing it pays well, it seems...you know, like that silly witch spiritual adviser who speaks in tongues.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

You think launching a cross-channel invasion is as easy as snapping your fingers? Hell, even after 2 years of preparation, it was still a near-run thing.

I studied the war. The US and Britain let the Russians slug it out with the Germans to weaken Germany. Instead of launching a second front immediately we went into Africa to try and get our troops battle ready before taking on the Germans. The problem is FDR promised the second front before talking to his military leaders. FDR was informed that our troops with so little training had no chance in hell of going up against a crack German Army. The fact that so much of the German military was tied up in or already died in Russia was the only reason D-day didn't stand for defeat day. We were lucky most of the German army was tied up in Russia or spread too thin trying to defend the European continent. Either way we lost only 1/2 as many men in all of WW2 fighting the Germans and the Japanese as Russia lost in few single battles. If we lost a million men on D-day the way Russia did at Stalingrad or Kursk we most likely would have given up.

 

[independentusa]

I doubt you were ever a republican, but nice try.

The last Dem I voted for was LBJ until the second time Clinton ran when I voted for him as I saw him as both great president and a terrible human being. I still vote GOP in my very local elections, but not at the state level.

 

[Thoreau72]

You do know that Russia is no longer a communist country. Russia has elections. Russia has an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. Russia has a constitution and list of rights for it's citizens. Sound familiar.

Yes, and right now Russia's balance of payments, if that's the right term, are far better than Washington's. They don't have the debt bomb waiting to explode like we do.

 

[independentusa]

They should be a part of NATO. We should be leading by example not becoming the Socialist States of America the big government that the left wants. Russia should be our ally along with Europe. This promoting of hate by the left will only bring about another world war. The Russians didn't cause Hillary to lose. She was the cause along with the hate the left are promoting.

I do not know who you are, but you seem to have a great love for Russia. Putin does not want to be part of NATO, he wants control over the states that Russia lost when the USSR broke up. He has already started by taking the Crimea and part of Ukraine and will not stop until he has control of all of those states that Russia once controlled. So the very idea that they are going to be our "friend" is both naive and stupid.

 

[independentusa]

And who promised a second front but waited years to do it? Only after millions of Russians died slugging it out with the Germans did we finally invade Europe.

Russia would not have been in such a state to start WWII if Stalin had not killed off almost all of his generals and high ranking officers because he was so paranoid that they wanted his position. Kind of sounds like Putin today where he send his goons to other countries to kill those who appose him. And Stalin signed a pact with Hitler so he could take his share of Poland. He should have been smarter and know eventually tht would come back to bite him in the ?

 

[independentusa]

I studied the war. The US and Britain let the Russians slug it out with the Germans to weaken Germany. Instead of launching a second front immediately we went into Africa to try and get our troops battle ready before taking on the Germans. The problem is FDR promised the second front before talking to his military leaders. FDR was informed that our troops with so little training had no chance in hell of going up against a crack German Army. The fact that so much of the German military was tied up in or already died in Russia was the only reason D-day didn't stand for defeat day. We were lucky most of the German army was tied up in Russia or spread too thin trying to defend the European continent. Either way we lost only 1/2 as many men in all of WW2 fighting the Germans and the Japanese as Russia lost in few single battles. If we lost a million men on D-day the way Russia did at Stalingrad or Kursk we most likely would have given up.

Read my #86 message.

 

[bradt99]

The last Dem I voted for was LBJ until the second time Clinton ran when I voted for him as I saw him as both great president and a terrible human being. I still vote GOP in my very local elections, but not at the state level.

I saw Clinton as not a good president, because he signed NAFTA when he could've vetoed it. He destroyed a lot of industry in the midwest and a lot of workers lost their jobs. Pardon me if I don't see dems being for the middle class, because they are anti-middle class now if they were ever pro-worker.

 

[bradt99]

And dems still don't know why people switched to Trump from Obama, well it's because Obama lied to them for 8 straight years and he was another corporate hack.

 

[independentusa]

And dems still don't know why people switched to Trump from Obama, well it's because Obama lied to them for 8 straight years and he was another corporate hack.

Oh my God, has there ever been a bigger liar than Trump as president? He has something like 13,500 lies since he came into office. And a corporate hack. Obama gave the nation the ACA which helped middle and low income people get health insurance. And what did Trump give us, the largest "corporate" tax cut ever. So now who is the corporate hack?

 

[tres borrachos]

GOP Intelligence Committee Chairman Refuses To Knock Down Ukraine Conspiracy Theory | HuffPost
It is like the whole GOP has gone crazy and that they will do anything. believe anything to protect Trump. Now they have all gotten behind it was Ukraine that interfered with our elections, even though all of our intelligence agencies and all of our allies know it was the Russians. I am so flabbergasted by what they are doing and saying that it is hard to even argue with such stupidity. The idea that a small poor country did everything we know the Russians did is hard enough to believe, but to use Russian talking points boggles the mind. The party that supposedly hates the "Commies" is now spouting their talking points to save this president makes me wonder if any of them have any morals or love of this country left in them. I guess they have gone through all of the other talking points and this is what is left, mouthing Russian ones.

They died when the same GOP I used to vote for died - when morons nominated a piece of garbage like Donald Trump and continued to support him.

It's now the Party of Trump. The GOP is dead.

 

[calamity]

And dems still don't know why people switched to Trump from Obama, well it's because Obama lied to them for 8 straight years and he was another corporate hack.

People did not "switch" to Trump. :doh

 

[bradt99]

People did not "switch" to Trump. :doh

Obama voters went to Trump, because Trump offered those voters something your queen Hillary didn't.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

I do not know who you are, but you seem to have a great love for Russia. Putin does not want to be part of NATO, he wants control over the states that Russia lost when the USSR broke up. He has already started by taking the Crimea and part of Ukraine and will not stop until he has control of all of those states that Russia once controlled. So the very idea that they are going to be our "friend" is both naive and stupid.

Over 95 percent of voters in the Crimean referendum have answered ‘yes’ to the autonomous republic joining Russia and less than 4 percent of the vote participants want the region to remain part of Ukraine, according to preliminary results.
With over 75 percent of the votes already counted, preliminary result show that 95.7 percent of voters said 'yes' to the reunion of the republic with Russia as a constituent unit of the Russian Federation. Only 3.2 percent of the ballots were cast for staying with Ukraine as an Autonomous Republic with broader rights. The remaining 1.1 percent of the ballots were declared invalid.

Not accepting the facts is naïve and stupid. Sorry if the truth doesn't fit your agenda. I personally don't like Putin but the people from Russia I have met have all been very nice hard working people.

 

[snakestretcher]

1. How do you know the Ukraines did not attempt to influence the election?
2. When you say we know the Russians attempted to influence our elections, what are you basing that on?

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1. Remains to be determined.
2. Because AMERICAN security agencies said so, being in the best position to know. But Trump prefers the Russian version of events-and we all know Trump knows best, right?

CIA concludes Russia interfered to help Trump win election, say reports | US news | The Guardian

 

[trouble13]

1. Remains to be determined.
2. Because AMERICAN security agencies said so, being in the best position to know. But Trump prefers the Russian version of events-and we all know Trump knows best, right?

CIA concludes Russia interfered to help Trump win election, say reports | US news | The Guardian

I understand that our intelligence agencies have claimed that. I question if they are basing their conclusions on the analysis by crowdstrike on a server they did not inspect or if they had other evidence.

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[independentusa]

I understand that our intelligence agencies have claimed that. I question if they are basing their conclusions on the analysis by crowdstrike on a server they did not inspect or if they had other evidence.

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If you know anything about our security services, they know a lot more than they are telling us. What they are not going to do is tell us how and where they got their information. In doing something as stupid as that they would give away sources that perhaps took years to develop. That is why every time Trump gives info to the Russians as he has done on several occasions and our Intelligence complain it is important. Of course Trump supporters say there is nothing wrong as the president has the right to do so. Having the riight and doing the right thing are two different things when it comes to classified info.

 

[trouble13]

If you know anything about our security services, they know a lot more than they are telling us. What they are not going to do is tell us how and where they got their information. In doing something as stupid as that they would give away sources that perhaps took years to develop. That is why every time Trump gives info to the Russians as he has done on several occasions and our Intelligence complain it is important. Of course Trump supporters say there is nothing wrong as the president has the right to do so. Having the riight and doing the right thing are two different things when it comes to classified info.

I accept that they have a legitimate need for secrecy in certain circumstances but they do not have my blind faith. I dont know what they are basing their opinion on and i leave ooen the possibility that they are wrong. It wouldnt be the first time they got something wrong.

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[independentusa]

I accept that they have a legitimate need for secrecy in certain circumstances but they do not have my blind faith. I dont know what they are basing their opinion on and i leave ooen the possibility that they are wrong. It wouldnt be the first time they got something wrong.

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Yeah, we know, you put your blind faith in trump and the Russians.

 

[SoCal]

1. Remains to be determined.
2. Because AMERICAN security agencies said so, being in the best position to know. But Trump prefers the Russian version of events-and we all know Trump knows best, right?

CIA concludes Russia interfered to help Trump win election, say reports | US news | The Guardian

Haven't you heard? Our intelligence services are, "The Deep State". I recently heard a Repub say he belives Putin over our services...