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[CLAX1911]

Prove I'm not...

you are the one that made the claim the burden of proof is on you. I cannot believe it because people are liars

I guess you would have to know me IRL either way, so your argument is moot...

I'm not even that would prove it's cuz no man knows what you put in your heart.

Then I'm sorry it renders your argument moot

 

[Daisy]

you are the one that made the claim the burden of proof is on you. I cannot believe it because people are liars


I'm not even that would prove it's cuz no man knows what you put in your heart.

Then I'm sorry it renders your argument moot

You'd argue with the boogie man...have the last word if you must...I'm done...

 

[CLAX1911]

But you know them IRL...the virtual world is entirely different...all we have here is words

well it's not different at all then because all virtue signaling is is words.

and yes, I do believe you can get to know a person, to an extent through the written word...but it takes some time and we still go by a person's written word, not their RL actions...

People that bloviate about their virtue tend to be not very virtuous. Why would it be any different online?

 

[CLAX1911]

You'd argue with the boogie man...have the last word if you must...I'm done...

Nope I simply understand human nature.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Claiming to be Christian doesn't indicate that there are things you do not do.

That is certainly true. But if the employer knows you are a Christian up front, he/she knows to inquire whether you are comfortable doing such and such before he/she hires you. That could be an issue in some jobs. In most jobs it won't make any difference at all.

 

[CLAX1911]

That is certainly true. But if the employer knows you are a Christian up front, he/she knows to inquire whether you are comfortable doing such and such before he/she hires you. That could be an issue in some jobs. In most jobs it won't make any difference at all.

And anybody can say whatever they want

 

[SDET]

Is this really necessary? It seems like the further people can get from the norm these days, the better they like it...the world is screwed up and getting more screwed up every day...



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If you look at it thorough the lens of Marxism, it makes perfect sense. Pollute a society's institutions to make it disintegrate like an over-ripe fruit.

 

[AlbqOwl]

And anybody can say whatever they want

Also true, but I don't know what that has to do with the employer knowing you are a Christian and therefore knowing to ask certain questions before hiring you. If the employees says he/she would be okay with that and then later finds out he/she isn't, the employee won't have any grounds for claiming a hostile work environment forcing him/her to leave. Human Resources have to consider all angles these days.

 

[CLAX1911]

Also true, but I don't know what that has to do with the employer knowing you are a Christian and therefore knowing to ask certain questions before hiring you. If the employees says he/she would be okay with that and then later finds out he/she isn't, the employee won't have any grounds for claiming a hostile work environment forcing him/her to leave. Human Resources have to consider all angles these days.

I don't understand what you are saying.

Its easier to fire Christians?

 

[AlbqOwl]

I don't understand what you are saying.

Its easier to fire Christians?

Having been in business and therefore in a position to hire and fire people for some years, it is just better to clarify with the people you hire as to what they can expect in the job. If you are hiring somebody to work in a bookstore or video store and know that some customers will ask for products some Christians would not wish to sell, then clarify that up front. Does the person have a problem working on Sunday as that could be asked of him/her. If you know that some of the people privately use salty language, tell off color jokes, etc. will that be offensive? There are any number of scenarios even in a Christian business that is better to be honest about up front.

You don't want to put yourself in the position of hiring anybody who would likely claim a hostile work environment because of that person's religion, race, etc. And you don't want to hire somebody you will likely have to fire because they just won't be compatible in the job.

It isn't a matter of it being easier to fire somebody. It is a matter of hiring the right fit for the job and hopefully will not need to fire anybody.

 

[CLAX1911]

Having been in business and therefore in a position to hire and fire people for some years, it is just better to clarify with the people you hire as to what they can expect in the job. If you are hiring somebody to work in a bookstore or video store and know that some customers will ask for products some Christians would not wish to sell, then clarify that up front. Does the person have a problem working on Sunday as that could be asked of him/her. If you know that some of the people privately use salty language, tell off color jokes, etc. will that be offensive? There are any number of scenarios even in a Christian business that is better to be honest about up front.

Well there are Christians that will do all of those things. Seems more important to ask individually

You don't want to put yourself in the position of hiring anybody who would likely claim a hostile work environment because of that person's religion, race, etc. And you don't want to hire somebody you will likely have to fire because they just won't be compatible in the job.

See above

 

[AlbqOwl]

Well there are Christians that will do all of those things. Seems more important to ask individually

See above

I'm sorry but I don't see your point. If you did not wish to give the person sufficient information to choose widely, you wouldn't ask the questions at all. What started this whole train of thought was the person who informed the interviewer that he/she was Christian. That is information the interviewer should use to discuss things that probably would not be discussed without that information.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm sorry but I don't see your point. If you did not wish to give the person sufficient information to choose widely, you wouldn't ask the questions at all.

clearly you didn't get the point I didn't say not to ask questions in an interview I don't even know where you came up with that.

I said the exact opposite.

What started this whole train of thought was the person who informed the interviewer that he/she was Christian. That is information the interviewer should use to discuss things that probably would not be discussed without that information.

I pointed it out that that was meaningless because anybody can claim to be Christians anybody defines Christianity however they want and it's really not useful information. It's not okay to ask that there's federal laws against it.

 

[AlbqOwl]

clearly you didn't get the point I didn't say not to ask questions in an interview I don't even know where you came up with that.

I said the exact opposite.


I pointed it out that that was meaningless because anybody can claim to be Christians anybody defines Christianity however they want and it's really not useful information. It's not okay to ask that there's federal laws against it.

And again I think you totally missed the point being made. And the point was that the employee volunteered the information. And volunteering such information is useful to the employer who can then better explore what the person needs and wants from the job.

 

[CLAX1911]

And again I think you totally missed the point being made. And the point was that the employee volunteered the information. And volunteering such information is useful to the employer who can then better explore what the person needs and wants from the job.

I didn't miss that point I just moved on past it a long time ago I don't know why you're dwelling on it.

 

[AlbqOwl]

I didn't miss that point I just moved on past it a long time ago I don't know why you're dwelling on it.

Because you are still dwelling on it and I will resist inference that I said something I didn't say every single time.

 

[CLAX1911]

Because you are still dwelling on it and I will resist inference that I said something I didn't say every single time.

I passed that point a long time ago.

 

[Daisy]

I'm sorry but I don't see your point. If you did not wish to give the person sufficient information to choose widely, you wouldn't ask the questions at all. What started this whole train of thought was the person who informed the interviewer that he/she was Christian. That is information the interviewer should use to discuss things that probably would not be discussed without that information.

I can't imagine an intervewer asking such a question anyway...wouldn't that be considered discrimination? It is up to the person applying for the job to reveal their religious preference or not...

 

[AlbqOwl]

I can't imagine an intervewer asking such a question anyway...wouldn't that be considered discrimination? It is up to the person applying for the job to reveal their religious preference or not...

Not at all. If I volunteer up front that I am a Christian, then the interviewer is free to question me on some specific things that might make me uncomfortable in a specific job. If I don't have a problem doing the job regardless of those specifics--such as working on Sunday or attending certain functions etc.--then good. My being Christian won't be a problem. If I am uncomfortable about that, then he knows I'm not a good fit for that job.

 

[Daisy]

Not at all. If I volunteer up front that I am a Christian, then the interviewer is free to question me on some specific things that might make me uncomfortable in a specific job. If I don't have a problem doing the job regardless of those specifics--such as working on Sunday or attending certain functions etc.--then good. My being Christian won't be a problem. If I am uncomfortable about that, then he knows I'm not a good fit for that job.

I think you mis-understood...I meant the person who is doing the hiring...I also volunteer that info if I am applying for a job...

 

[AlbqOwl]

I think you mis-understood...I meant the person who is doing the hiring...I also volunteer that info if I am applying for a job...

But the discussion was about a person announcing that he/she was Christian in the job interview. So that was the direction I was going with this. Somebody took exception to somebody announcing that. And I don't see a thing wrong with it and, as an interviewer who couldn't ask the question in most jobs, I would appreciate a person telling me.

 

[Daisy]

But the discussion was about a person announcing that he/she was Christian in the job interview. So that was the direction I was going with this. Somebody took exception to somebody announcing that. And I don't see a thing wrong with it and, as an interviewer who couldn't ask the question in most jobs, I would appreciate a person telling me.

lol...and that was my point as well...the person doing the hiring will not ask such a question so it's up to the person applying for the job to tell him upfront so there are no mis-understandings...

 

[AlbqOwl]

lol...and that was my point as well...the person doing the hiring will not ask such a question so it's up to the person applying for the job to tell him upfront so there are no mis-understandings...

Okay. So we are arguing the same point with each other. (Not the first time that has happened.)

 

[zyzygy]

And they're "Christian" in name only...your point?

I suspect that you are new to this game.

 

[zyzygy]

It's been that way since the beginning of time, until recently, and society did just fine...

It hasn't. Tibet is one example. Polyandry .