Was Joe Kennedy right about Trump's policies?

[independentusa]

Joe Kennedy gave the Dem rebuttal speech tonight and I found one thing he said very interesting. He said that with trump's policies and bargains someone had to win and someone always had to lose. I guess it comes from his business background, where if someone in business wins the other person often loses. So if the dreamers win, all other immigrants have to lose. If the corporations get a tax cut, eventually middle income tax payers have to pay more, this is how Trump sees the world, winners and losers. It seems to be all black and white with him. He can't see a situation where both can win some and lose some. I guess this is the first time I recognized this about Trump.

 

[eohrnberger]

I suppose you can view it as a zero sum game, though economically, it's questionable if that's a realistic to view it that way.

You could 'up' the entire game, make the pie bigger for everyone to have the opportunity to earn a bigger share.

I'll let you decide who is representing which.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Joe Kennedy gave the Dem rebuttal speech tonight and I found one thing he said very interesting. He said that with trump's policies and bargains someone had to win and someone always had to lose. I guess it comes from his business background, where if someone in business wins the other person often loses. So if the dreamers win, all other immigrants have to lose. If the corporations get a tax cut, eventually middle income tax payers have to pay more, this is how Trump sees the world, winners and losers. It seems to be all black and white with him. He can't see a situation where both can win some and lose some. I guess this is the first time I recognized this about Trump.

I feel like he looks like a good and honest person which is a great contrast with Trump. I do think Trump and Republicans are vulnerable because they're boasting about the economy but the rust belt folks aren't seeing the great economy. The reason Obama was reluctant to boast about the economy was because there were so many people in small towns still jobless and feeling left behind.

Democrats need to focus on appealing to the poor white working class on economic grounds. I think Bernie Sandes did that well. I felt that was Joe Kennedy's core message.

I think Joe Kennedy has that name and he's a young honest-looking man.

But I don't think Trump has even the slightest hope of reelection no matter what happens with the economy short of the sky raining money. Every liberal in ever crevice of America will come out and vote out Trump. And Republicans have completely alienated women.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Joe Kennedy gave the Dem rebuttal speech tonight and I found one thing he said very interesting. He said that with trump's policies and bargains someone had to win and someone always had to lose. I guess it comes from his business background, where if someone in business wins the other person often loses. So if the dreamers win, all other immigrants have to lose. If the corporations get a tax cut, eventually middle income tax payers have to pay more, this is how Trump sees the world, winners and losers. It seems to be all black and white with him. He can't see a situation where both can win some and lose some. I guess this is the first time I recognized this about Trump.

The problem for the D's with that complaint is that Trump wants America to win, and if "you" or not in favor of America winning then I dont care about anything you have to say After that.

 

[Professor2004]

Dems way of keeping up class walfare, thats all.

 

[Koke]

300 IQ "Drooling" Ted Kennedy tries to frame a very neutral non-partisan speech into a divisive "you against them" speech. This speech didn't even have any dog whistles like political speeches of whatever party usually have.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

The problem for the D's with that complaint is that Trump wants America to win, and if "you" or not in favor of America winning then I dont care about anything you have to say After that.

I think his point is that it's not about winners and losers when you're in a community. We can work together to build a better future.

 

[DamnYankee]

The problem for the D's with that complaint is that Trump wants America to win, and if "you" or not in favor of America winning then I dont care about anything you have to say After that.

The left wants America to lose, that's blatantly obvious.

 

[DamnYankee]

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300 IQ "Drooling" Ted Kennedy tries to frame a very neutral non-partisan speech into a divisive "you against them" speech. This speech didn't even have any dog whistles like political speeches of whatever party usually have.

Is he slobbering or what?

 

[dobieg]

I feel like he looks like a good and honest person which is a great contrast with Trump. I do think Trump and Republicans are vulnerable because they're boasting about the economy but the rust belt folks aren't seeing the great economy. The reason Obama was reluctant to boast about the economy was because there were so many people in small towns still jobless and feeling left behind.

Democrats need to focus on appealing to the poor white working class on economic grounds. I think Bernie Sandes did that well. I felt that was Joe Kennedy's core message.

I think Joe Kennedy has that name and he's a young honest-looking man.

But I don't think Trump has even the slightest hope of reelection no matter what happens with the economy short of the sky raining money. Every liberal in ever crevice of America will come out and vote out Trump. And Republicans have completely alienated women.

Sorry that ship has sailed. If Democrats had paid even half the attention to the poor white working class than they did illegals or letting hairy 40 year old men into the women's bathroom, they wouldn't be staring at the GOP holding the Senate, House and Presidency. All Trump did was focus on the forgotten middle class with things that made sense to them like unfair trade deals, illegal immigration, over regulation and corporate taxes that made it difficult for US companies to compete on the World stage.

It still baffles me how the Left hasn't picked up on this as they still offer almost nothing to the middle class as they're too pre-occupied fighting for illegals. I mean honestly, what do you expect these people to think?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

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300 IQ "Drooling" Ted Kennedy tries to frame a very neutral non-partisan speech into a divisive "you against them" speech. This speech didn't even have any dog whistles like political speeches of whatever party usually have.

I'm not sure what was up with the corners of his lips.

I like him but I would really much rather see Elizabeth Warren as president. She was his professor in college. I like economists as presidents. You have to understand economics as president. Trump only understand New York real eastate. He's just goingg to fuel a bubble wit these corporate tax cuts. Who knows when the economy will explode?

 

[DamnYankee]

Sorry that ship has sailed. If Democrats had paid even half the attention to the poor white working class than they did illegals or letting hairy 40 year old men into the women's bathroom, they wouldn't be staring at the GOP holding the Senate, House and Presidency. All Trump did was focus on the forgotten middle class with things that made sense to them like unfair trade deals, illegal immigration, over regulation and corporate taxes that made it difficult for US companies to compete on the World stage.

It still baffles me how the Left hasn't picked up on this as they still offer almost nothing to the middle class as they're too pre-occupied fighting for illegals. I mean honestly, what do you expect these people to think?

People think leftists suffer from a mental disorder. It's no wonder why 1200+ leftists have been chased from office over the last few years.

 

[atheist4thecaus]

Joe Kennedy gave the Dem rebuttal speech tonight and I found one thing he said very interesting. He said that with trump's policies and bargains someone had to win and someone always had to lose. I guess it comes from his business background, where if someone in business wins the other person often loses. So if the dreamers win, all other immigrants have to lose. If the corporations get a tax cut, eventually middle income tax payers have to pay more, this is how Trump sees the world, winners and losers. It seems to be all black and white with him. He can't see a situation where both can win some and lose some. I guess this is the first time I recognized this about Trump.

The funny thing about your response is that it's in business where you can get win-win deals. Business people often make deals with each other where both businesses make money, or where both the business and consumer benefit from a transaction. I mean, that's literally what drives the economy. If anybody can understand a win-win deal, it's a business person.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Sorry that ship has sailed. If Democrats had paid even half the attention to the poor white working class than they did illegals or letting hairy 40 year old men into the women's bathroom, they wouldn't be staring at the GOP holding the Senate, House and Presidency. All Trump did was focus on the forgotten middle class with things that made sense to them like unfair trade deals, illegal immigration, over regulation and corporate taxes that made it difficult for US companies to compete on the World stage.

It still baffles me how the Left hasn't picked up on this as they still offer almost nothing to the middle class as they're too pre-occupied fighting for illegals. I mean honestly, what do you expect these people to think?

All Trump did was pay lip service. Trump is an elite. He took care of his people with the tax breaks. He took care of the rich and the corporations. The working class people will figure that out.

Republicans have never been for the working class. They're anti-union and pro corporations. They're Citizens United --corporations are people. What Republicans do is pretend to care about these "social issues" like transgender bathrooms to fool working-class voters into voting for them. It's a strategy that works.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The left wants America to lose, that's blatantly obvious.

The Left thinks that America should not exist.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

The funny thing about your response is that it's in business where you can get win-win deals. Business people often make deals with each other where both businesses make money, or where both the business and consumer benefit from a transaction. I mean, that's literally what drives the economy. If anybody can understand a win-win deal, it's a business person.

Unfortunately, that's not the view that Trump promotes. Trump clearly believes he can bully the rest of the world. Why would he claim he would make Mexico pay for the wall? Why not try a win-win strategy and work with Mexico?

Why insult the entire African continent when you have American troops stationed there fighting the war on terror? Why not just apologize?

 

[TurtleDude]

Joe Kennedy gave the Dem rebuttal speech tonight and I found one thing he said very interesting. He said that with trump's policies and bargains someone had to win and someone always had to lose. I guess it comes from his business background, where if someone in business wins the other person often loses. So if the dreamers win, all other immigrants have to lose. If the corporations get a tax cut, eventually middle income tax payers have to pay more, this is how Trump sees the world, winners and losers. It seems to be all black and white with him. He can't see a situation where both can win some and lose some. I guess this is the first time I recognized this about Trump.

that's how the left sees things. If the rich make money, they assume everyone else loses money. Its based on the idea that the government owns all the wealth and tax cuts for some means stealing from others. Its idiotic and is based on false assumptions but its the foundation of the class warfare envy of so many Democrats. And nothing is funnier than a guy who is where he is because of his name and his family's wealth (mainly accumulated due to political connections) complaining about how tough the poor have it and blaming the rich

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

The Left thinks that America should not exist.

At least the left actually cares about America. The Right are letting a compromised Russian puppet be president. Where is your love of country? Country before party.

 

[TurtleDude]

At least the left actually cares about America. The Right are letting a compromised Russian puppet be president. Where is your love of country? Country before party.

oh come on, that is hackery at its worst. The left often hates America as it is and loves an America that is turned into the socialist paradise they have pined for for years. And some on the right only love an America that no longer exists

 

[Hawkeye10]

At least the left actually cares about America. The Right are letting a compromised Russian puppet be president. Where is your love of country? Country before party.

I watched all of the SOTU...this is a man who cares.....deeply.

 

[dobieg]

All Trump did was pay lip service. Trump is an elite. He took care of his people with the tax breaks. He took care of the rich and the corporations. The working class people will figure that out.

Republicans have never been for the working class. They're anti-union and pro corporations. They're Citizens United --corporations are people. What Republicans do is pretend to care about these "social issues" like transgender bathrooms to fool working-class voters into voting for them. It's a strategy that works.

I'm not trying to be mean but your post is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.


People are ticked off about how they've been forgotten for decades and throwing jabs at the one side who is actually giving them a voice isn't going to get you many crossovers. Come up with a real concrete plan that addresses the concerns of these people and they will listen.

 

[dobieg]

At least the left actually cares about America. The Right are letting a compromised Russian puppet be president. Where is your love of country? Country before party.

Powerful message and one that is sure to resonate with union workers in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

 

[GDViking]

The problem for the D's with that complaint is that Trump wants America to win, and if "you" or not in favor of America winning then I dont care about anything you have to say After that.

Trump doesn't give a piece of bird crap about America.

The ONLY thing he cares about is the Donald!

 

[Hawkeye10]

Trump doesn't give a piece of bird crap about America.

The ONLY thing he cares about is the Donald!

You have made an error in judgment.

 

[atheist4thecaus]

I'm sorry, if you think that response is going to get independent and nonvoters off their butts and voting Democrat this November, you're just not being objective.

One of the key rookie mistakes made was the speech trying to call out Trump, without mentioning the president by name. That **** doesn't work anymore -- not in today's political climate. Going 'high' when they go 'low' just makes us look weak, and that's exactly what this speech did, make us look like weak doormats.

Get a guy like Mark Warner that won't be intimidated by the president, and is willing to call him a POS. Warner, Booker, Schiff, those are guys that have no problem calling Trump a liar, a thug, an incompetent, and letting the public know how the WH is trampling on civil liberties, as well how the GOP is simply out of the wealthy elite.

It would have caught Trump totally off guard and have been the story for a few days, resulting in Trump melting down on Twitter, and proving the point perfectly. That didn't happen, which was a complete missed opportunity by the Democrats, and I'm sure the GOP is very happy about it.

You're right that giving a speech for Progressives doesn't help, and calling out Trump without naming him doesn't work. It comes off not only as weak, but also petty. It didn't help that he sounded like he was about to cry the whole time, and it looked like spit was coming out of both sides of his mouth.

What I would do if I were Democrats is don't fight Trump on some of these successes. Stop denying the economy is doing well, that Black unemployment is down, etc. Stop being divisive by talking about White supremacy marching in the streets while praising BLM. I would say that the outlook for the country is good right now, and we expect nothing less going forward. Get away from obstructionism and talk about how Democrats expect compromises to be made, with specifics. Trump sets very good traps where when Democrats don't clap they look bad, but when they clap they seem to give Trump credit. The best way to fight Trump is set high expectations for him, but the Democrats are masters at setting low expectations for Trump to easily beat. Set high expectations to make it difficult for Trump to exceed those expectations. You want people to be surprised when he fails, not surprised when he succeeds.