[W:914,1223] Robert Mueller's report is out

[Conservative]

He was "legally cleared" by his own appointee. Did you unquestioningly support it when Obama's appointees were "legally clearing" in spite of obvious issues? I didn't. And I'm not hypocritical enough to do it now.

Hillary won the popular vote. That's a fact that isn't disputable. She lost because there was absolute and fair skepticism about her trustworthiness. Trump will receive the same, because in spite of some of you willfully ignoring what's in the report, there are problems with him that are pretty clear in this report.

Trump is probably as highly beatable as Carter was in 1976. His approval ratings have never been high. This is only adding fuel. He needs the Independents in 2020 and he won't when they see he isn't trustworthy.

I don't assume voters are stupid. Most of them are smart enough to know that being "cleared" by your own political appointee is irrelevant.

Neither do I assume that voters are stupid unless of course we are talking California. Name for me any President who lost re-election with an over 50% approval rating on the economy? People vote their pocketbooks and that includes African Americans who have more jobs under Trump than the first African American President

 

[tres borrachos]

Oh, ok. By your standard President Trump has been exonerated. See? That wasn't hard.

Actually I stand by what facts are known. He was actually not exonerated of obstruction of justice. He was exonerated of conspiracy, which isn't a surprise to anyone anyway.

 

[TamleeB]

Very busy doing what ? ... Spinning like Kids on a playground spinning their tops.
The Democrat Party is a joke.Bad joke at that.
All they have left is to act Crazy in order to get attention.

Oh... that is going to be the interesting part. Seeing exactly where congress goes with this now that it is no longer a legal matter.

 

[Obscurity]

Neither do I assume that voters are stupid unless of course we are talking California. Name for me any President who lost re-election with an over 50% approval rating on the economy? People vote their pocketbooks and that includes African Americans who have more jobs under Trump than the first African American President

2020 will be about Healthcare. It will not be spun about the economy, and if Sanders is the nominee, his control of the narrative and his cooling of spin will ensure no one votes "because rich wall street folks are getting richer."

 

[beefheart]

From the bits & pieces I'm catching, I'm getting kinda' blown away that Trump managed to skip-out on all this.

Yup, coward in chief....

 

[Conservative]

Why don't you answer what I said?

It's in the report. He tried to obstruct justice. That doesn't mean anything to you?

There were tons of links and contacts between russia and Trump campaign. Russia offered support. Some things the campaign went along, some they didn't. That 's fine?

Be honest,.

Be honest?? Try it for a change, how did Russia benefit from the Trump Presidency? NATO is stronger today because of Trump and so is our economy

 

[apdst]

Did that stop you from complaining about all she did wrong and possible crimes she committed and how she is guilty?

Answer the question.

 

[tres borrachos]

Like the responses or not on this thread, you seem to be very unhappy that the outcome of the Mueller investigation is a very good day for our country. Nobody should feel upset because you didn't get the outcome you feel entitled to receiving.

I pity people who have to blame those of us, Americans, who applaud that finally we have the truth. You think you are capable of shaming, but hehe, that's an ongoing joke.

I, furthermore, cannot fathom ANY American wishing that our president colluded with a foreign power, or obstructed justice because they were in cahoots with a foreign power. Those "Americans," are no better than the Russians, IMO, who did interfere with the 2016 election!!! Shame on them.

After today's release of
the Mueller report, redacted to protect ongoing grand jury or other investigations and identities of innocent people or witnesses the report could harm, know this..... The left is bluffing because they KNOW full well they legally are not owed an unredacted report.
The Democrats and their boot licking water carriers, in the media and otherwise, are playing politics... They are not interested in the truth, they are interested in pushing a false narrative to further their election agendas.

Just curious, why is the outcome of the Mueller investigation a good day for our country?

 

[foolardi]

Interesting that Beto gave a whopping 1100 to charities last year, big spender and supporter of those in need

The O'Dourk's { not Confucius with *O'Douls beer } reasoning being that he gave his time
doing charitable work.That time is just as valuable as money.

* Go Ahead It's an O'Douls !

 

[ettoremathedi]

Be honest?? Try it for a change, how did Russia benefit from the Trump Presidency? NATO is stronger today because of Trump and so is our economy

It's in the report. He tried to obstruct justice. That doesn't mean anything to you?

Answer.

 

[trixare4kids]

I see nothing wrong with your point of view. I don't share it because you know I'm not a fan of Trump, but I understand it. Trump supporters take a lot of flak, as if feeling the good outweighs the bad somehow makes them stupid. As you say, for 2 years, supporters have said this would end up much like this and been given grief all over. The investigation did not find collusion with Russia and the leader of our country.

I'd rather see Trump lose next election, but that doesn't mean I wanted him impeached or proven to be treasonous. There's a large gap between the two.

As I say, I definitely understand why you feel the way you do.

Thanks for your civility, as always.

 

[bubbabgone]

Thanks for this excellent post! :thumbs:

From my current understanding, I believe your thorough synopsis is right on the money.

Concerning obstruction, I still am blown away that when we take all the obstruction attempts in totality, how can it not be obstruction? In addition, as Trump attempts and fails to obstruct the investigation, how can it not be conspiracy to obstruct? Additionally, there may be state charges possible.

And yes, as with yourself I believe Trump suffers legal exposure after his time in office. Specifically, I'm thinking with SDNY in the Cohen-Daniels matter, along with possibly improprieties in his and his organization's business dealings, including the Inauguration Committee.

As was said before, maybe by Barr, I don't recall, just because someone says something(s) obstruction can't be assumed if an innocent person would have said it too.
And that includes the "Cohen-Daniels matter" ... for the same reason it's why it's not considered a campaign finance violation by Trump.

 

[sjmay]

When your orders spook the NSA director so badly that he documents the conversation and locks the memo in a safe then there shouldn’t be any doubt that your motives are criminal.

So, you are guessing at motivation at this point....ergo, that's how they couldn't get obstruction.

 

[ecofarm]

Neither do I assume that voters are stupid unless of course we are talking California. Name for me any President who lost re-election with an over 50% approval rating on the economy? People vote their pocketbooks and that includes African Americans who have more jobs under Trump than the first African American President

How about if we give black people credit for their unemployment rate. I know congratulating a white guy for the work of black people is easier for some, but let's give credit where due.

Tax cuts produce long term growth, not immediate gratification.

 

[trixare4kids]

Be honest?? Try it for a change, how did Russia benefit from the Trump Presidency? NATO is stronger today because of Trump and so is our economy

I didn't see Trump, have a mic moment, saying to a Putin stooge, he'd have more time after the next elections to lighten their load, nor did I see him publicly push a resent button.
The Trump haters are probably wishing the economy tanks so they can...:laughat: people losing jobs and our country losing economic strength.

 

[tres borrachos]

2020 will be about Healthcare. It will not be spun about the economy, and if Sanders is the nominee, his control of the narrative and his cooling of spin will ensure no one votes "because rich wall street folks are getting richer."

That bolded part is very important. The Republicans actually slit their own throats on that issue. Trump base is okay with him saying "I'll have to plan to you after the election". But most of America is smarter than is base.

 

[Napoleon]

So, you are guessing at motivation at this point....ergo, that's how they couldn't get obstruction.

No. Mueller said why he did not charge Trump with obstruction despite laying out pages and pages of obstruction - it’s for Congress to decide what to do about it.

 

[American]

Pretty funny....Old men bringing up Hillary to defend trump.....Pathetic

I didn't post the photo, but it's fair game once it's there.

 

[Plus Ultra]

This report is redacted AF.

View attachment 67255283

That is not a satire meme. That is page 30.

The first thing I did when I got the Report was scan through looking for the blacked-out bits, I found 2 pages like the one shown, 7 or 8 where most of the page is redacted. There are more completely unredacted pages than pages with any redactions, the Report is not substantially redacted.

 

[trouble13]

Barr is a hack.

Barr's release: "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in it's election interference activities"

The actual quote:
The investigation also identified numerous links between the the Russian government and the Trump campaign. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in it's election interference activities"

He cut a sentence in half! Basically, it's 100% proven that the Trump campaign cooperated and coordinated with the Russian government. But because the Russian government committed the crimes, and it couldn't be established that the Trump campaign explicitly asked for those crimes to be committed.. it was technically not criminal.

So when clinton breaks the law she gets s pass because intent was not proven (which is debatable) butvwhen Trump does not break the law you want him fovicted on his intent to breal the law (again debstable)

Do i have that about right?

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[foolardi]

Just curious, why is the outcome of the Mueller investigation a good day for our country?

Because it proves that there still is faith in the country.
Which is why Trump won the presidency.
That now at least rational and sane Americans can breathe a sigh of relief in knowing
the Mueller Investigation is over.Finished.
Keeping in mind how bugged Trump rivals are over terms like Make America Great.
That used to be a given among the Populace.But since the Democrat Party is the
official party of the Crazies,it no longer is the case.
Today was a victory for America and Americans.Who gives a cluck what Dimocrats
and their Crazies believe.We already have one state chock full of Dimocrat Crazies.

 

[trixare4kids]

How about if we give black people credit for their unemployment rate. I know congratulating a white guy for the work of black people is easier for some, but let's give credit where due.

Tax cuts produce long term growth, not immediate gratification.

Eliminating burdens on businesses puts people back to work.
The stats show it benefited black people. Why not mention it? The employed also benefit a second time from higher wages generated by a faster-growing economy. Lower taxes for businesses and individuals help fuel more investment and innovation, which means more jobs and higher wages for everyone; Economics 101.

 

[Chomsky]

As was said before, maybe by Barr, I don't recall, just because someone says something(s) obstruction can't be assumed if an innocent person would have said it too.
And that includes the "Cohen-Daniels matter" ... for the same reason it's why it's not considered a campaign finance violation by Trump.

Actually, it's the Cohen-Daniels thing I was most directly speaking of, and believe the most likely.

Cohen pleaded guilty, and Trump was named as a co-conspirator "Individual One" in the charging document. After reading the sentencing notes, I see no way SDNY cannot charge Trump. And by "cannot charge Trump", I'm not speaking euphemistically. I'm stating this in terms where SDNY might be legally bound, or at the least they'd have some big-time 'spaining to do.

 

[tres borrachos]

Because it proves that there still is faith in the country.
Which is why Trump won the presidency.
That now at least rational and sane Americans can breathe a sigh of relief in knowing
the Mueller Investigation is over.Finished.
Keeping in mind how bugged Trump rivals are over terms like Make America Great.
That used to be a given among the Populace.But since the Democrat Party is the
official party of the Crazies,it no longer is the case.
Today was a victory for America and Americans.Who gives a cluck what Dimocrats
and their Crazies believe.We already have one state chock full of Dimocrat Crazies.

If you skipped Haiku class to come here and post, you're probably going to get a detention.

 

[Obscurity]

That bolded part is very important. The Republicans actually slit their own throats on that issue. Trump base is okay with him saying "I'll have to plan to you after the election". But most of America is smarter than is base.

They are underestimating Sanders and the true populist movement. All those sanders voters that rejected HRC and voted for Trump will vote for Sanders in 2020 - not Trump.

In addition, they keep opining endlessly about the economy. Go right ahead. Sanders will duly shred this false narrative, as he did in his Fox news townhall; he rightly pointed to the uptick in employment across westernized nations. Trump is not the president of Germany or France, for example.

The narrative will not be about the economy. Money is useless if you're dead. The party of health care the GOP has never been and never will be.

Fear the Bern.