[W:775]Trump: ‘I think I’d take’ damaging info on 2020 rival from foreign operatives

[Athanasius68]

And you know this because you have a direct link into the headquarters of the GRU, do you?

Because there is no reason to think so.

 

[j brown's body]

Make up your mind, eh?

Do you want to talk about accepting stolen information? Or do you want to talk about disseminating stolen information?

In any case, it's not about what I think he'd do. We are talking about what Trump said he'd do...and he didn't say anything about stolen information.

In the 2016 election, he disseminated information that he knew was stolen by the Russians, and he encouraged them to steal more.

 

[Athanasius68]

The point is moot. Hillary did not hire Steele. She hired Fusion GPS, an American firm.


From the viewpoint of the law, that is all that matters.

Trump broke no law either.

 

[Athanasius68]

The hired investigator was FORMERLY an intel officer of an ALLY. Who specialized in Russian intel. Yeah I trust that source quit a bit more than pledging fealty to trump bending over to Putin like you do.

You clearly hate America. Why is that Ath?

Steele isn't a source. He has no personal knowledge of that which his dossier contains.
Why do you trust anonymous Russian sources?

 

[j brown's body]

Mueller "did not establish" a conspiracy or coordination. The only deal cutting known is the DNC/Clinton Campaign payment for oppo research from a foreign national.

We are aware of the collusion. The meeting in Trump Tower, the sharing of polling information. The many meetings. The effort to do business during the campaign, and then all the lying about it. I can't believe you aren't disgusted by this.

The DNC/Clinton payment did not involve her tying her political fortunes to the actions of an adversarial government. Thus, it did not corrupt the democratic process or endanger national security as Mr. Trump's actions have done, and threaten to do again.

 

[Buzz62]

But not a traitor to her country, as her counterpart is.

:lamo
Quick! Make some horrid accusation up to cover for the queen being exposed as a lying, cheating, dumb-ass bitch!
I know! Call the POTUS a traitor! Yaaa man. That'll deflect the discussion.
:lamo

 

[Athanasius68]

If Russia is dishing the dirt, we can safely assume they are doing it for reasons not in the best interest of America.

If Trump believe's it is acceptable to receive such dirt, then he is committing a felony if he acts on that belief.

Hillary did not hire Steele, she hired Fusion GPS, who later hired Steele without Clinton's knowledge.

Therefore, any claims of impropriety regarding whom she hired for oppo research is without merit.

Russia wasn't dishing dirt on Clinton. The claim is that they had stuff f that would be embarrassing to her.
They were dishing dirt on Trump.

 

[ocean515]

We are aware of the collusion. The meeting in Trump Tower, the sharing of polling information. The many meetings. The effort to do business during the campaign, and then all the lying about it. I can't believe you aren't disgusted by this.

The DNC/Clinton payment did not involve her tying her political fortunes to the actions of an adversarial government. Thus, it did not corrupt the democratic process or endanger national security as Mr. Trump's actions have done, and threaten to do again.

Hillary tied her political fortunes to a discredited dossier she paid for from a foreign agent and country.

Her payment has led to a conspiracy to attempt to remove the President of the United States from office.

How you could make claims to the opposite is remarkable.

 

[Athanasius68]

She wasnt tying her political ambitions to a foreign government, as Trump said he would do. That is a profound difference.

When did Trump say this?

 

[Athanasius68]

You dont think Trump would accept stolen goods? Where have you been? He diseminated stoken information. He'd knock his grandma over to get it. In a heart beat.

Trump disseminated nothing. He didn't have it, never did.

 

[Athanasius68]

As upsideguy wrote in a different thread, “The Mueller report cleared Trump and his associates of the CRIME of conspiracy. They did not opine as to whether there was actual collusion as they seemed to think it was out of scope. They showed us plenty of evidence of collusion.

To say there was "no collusion, no obstruction" is to live in a fantasy world, which Trump and most of his supporters do.... a world devoid of fact and truth.”

Comparing it to the DNC and Steele is a false equivalence.

Collusion is conspiracy.
There was no conspiracy to fix the 2016 election.
It didn't happen.

 

[Mycroft]

In the 2016 election, he disseminated information that he knew was stolen by the Russians, and he encouraged them to steal more.

No. At the time nobody knew it was stolen from the Russians. Heck, we STILL don't really know if it was stolen by the Russians.

In any case, Trump didn't disseminate anything. He did repeat what the media had disseminated, though...just like a lot of other people repeated the stuff.

Perhaps you should be more concerned about the media disseminating information that was stolen by the Russians, eh?

 

[Athanasius68]

Can't even go three posts before a Trump defender gets it wrong too.

Fusion GPS is an American company. Fusion GPS was first hired by the Free Beacon, a conservative outlet. Clinton's campaign hired Fusion GPS, an American company. They didn't hire a British agent.

The lies from Trump supporters is breathtaking.

Still not getting it right.

The only consequential information received from Russia by a campaign in 2016was the information compiled by Mr. Steele and paid for by the Democrats or Clinton campaign.
If laundering it through buffers makes all the difference in the world, then there is nothing to be outraged over regarding Mr. Trump's comments in the OP.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Law? Is there a law that says that the President has to do what his subordinate tells him to do?

Actually, the president has to do what the law says. Unless that is, you believe the president is above the law. His FBI director says it is against the law to receive anything of value from a foreign entity in support of their political campaign. I wonder what he based that on?

 

[Athanasius68]

Not surprising that you don't know what the laws state about receiving something of value from a foreign government. Wray does. The educated people of the world do. You and Trump don't.

Mueller didn't charge. Is Mueller uneducated?
Or maybe the 'educated' people of the world know things which just aren't so?

 

[tres borrachos]

Mueller didn't charge. Is Mueller uneducated?
Or maybe the 'educated' people of the world know things which just aren't so?

Who said anything about Mueller charging for anything?

Do you not know the law either?

 

[tres borrachos]

Still not getting it right.

The only consequential information received from Russia by a campaign in 2016was the information compiled by Mr. Steele and paid for by the Democrats or Clinton campaign.
If laundering it through buffers makes all the difference in the world, then there is nothing to be outraged over regarding Mr. Trump's comments in the OP.

Fusion GPS is an American company. That is an undisputed fact. Stop going off tangent about Steele. Free Beacon and the DNC paid an American company.

I don't expect you to be outraged by Trump's comments. You hate America and our democracy.

 

[dixon01767]

Hiring. She legally hired an investigator. Trump illegally accepted and is eager to illegally accept foreign intel agencies approaching him with dirt.

Nothing illegal about it.

 

[Mycroft]

Actually, the president has to do what the law says. Unless that is, you believe the president is above the law. His FBI director says it is against the law to receive anything of value from a foreign entity in support of their political campaign. I wonder what he based that on?

It's not against the law to receive "anything of value" from a foreign entity in support of their political campaign.

If that were the case, then Trump would be charged with a crime the first time Farage showed up at one of his campaign rallies.

If that were the case, then Hillary would be in jail for receiving the Steele dossier...which came from a foreign entity who got information from another foreign entity.

On the other hand, I don't think that's what Wray even said. I think you are making **** up.

 

[Idiometer]

Okay, but if Russia is the source of the intel, and Russia IS an adversarial country...

You get where I'm going here?

Any information from any foreign government official is an illegal campaign contribution. It's just especially egregious if a candidate is taking that information from a country that has proven that their goal is to weaken our democratic processes. That Trump doesn't seem to understand this speaks to his egotism ("the rules don't apply to me") and his lack of patriotism.

What disgusts me the most about this is how hard his supporters are trying to excuse it.

 

[Idiometer]

The point is moot. Hillary did not hire Steele. She hired Fusion GPS, an American firm.


From the viewpoint of the law, that is all that matters.

I agree, I'm just weary of trying to explain that to the Trumpsters on this forum.

 

[poweRob]

Steele isn't a source. He has no personal knowledge of that which his dossier contains.
Why do you trust anonymous Russian sources?

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. At all. Steele was british intel that specialized on russia and had extensive sources. Yeah i trust that more than being fed russian propaganda like trumpanzees prefer.

Why do you hate American and our allies Ath?

 

[poweRob]

Nothing illegal about it.

You shouldn't speak of what you know nothing about. Your propbet Trump is a crook.

 

[Athanasius68]

Who said anything about Mueller charging for anything?

Do you not know the law either?

Election law had been the same since 2016. For a CRIMINAL prosecution, it must be shown that the accused is aware of the law and broke it anyways.

 

[Athanasius68]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. At all. Steele was british intel that specialized on russia and had extensive sources. Yeah i trust that more than being fed russian propaganda like trumpanzees prefer.

Why do you hate American and our allies Ath?

Steele himself has said he doesn't know the identify of many of the people who provided him with the information.
Why trust they were legit? Maybe Steele fell victim to the Russian plot.