[W:#7426]How will Brexit go?***W:46]***

[Chagos]

WHACK!!!

of itself not surprising but so resounding that even Corbyn "cunctator" announced a vote of no confidence immediately.

Let's hope it didn't give him a hernia.:roll:

 

[Chagos]

LOL. I think the Russian view is "a pox on the UK and if it's self-inflicted then good."

Seeing how UK and Germany jointly were the chief engines of EU sanctions on Russia, it's more like "any wedge that can be driven between the buggers is great for us".

 

[Sven Karma]

Lololol.

 

[Westphalian]

A very substantial defeat for the UK government - 230 votes.

The Commons says 'No' to the withdrawal agreement. But what does it say Yes to, and how will it honor its own commitment to respect the referendum result?

 

[Superfly]

Brexit

OK, Brits, and other people smarter than me.

Can somebody please give me the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of what is going on with Brexit?

I shamefully admit that I don't know much about it (now or when it first happened a few years back).

Crayons and blocks are fine for visual aids if you think that will help.



I greatly apologize for not being current on this. I have been rather preoccupied with my own country's ****show over the last few years.

 

[Westphalian]

Re: Brexit

OK, Brits, and other people smarter than me.

Can somebody please give me the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of what is going on with Brexit?

I shamefully admit that I don't know much about it (now or when it first happened a few years back).

Crayons and blocks are fine for visual aids if you think that will help.



I greatly apologize for not being current on this. I have been rather preoccupied with my own country's ****show over the last few years.

Hi - There's already a long running stickied thread on Brexit which may, or may not, help :lol:.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: Brexit

OK, Brits, and other people smarter than me.

Can somebody please give me the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of what is going on with Brexit?

I shamefully admit that I don't know much about it (now or when it first happened a few years back).

Crayons and blocks are fine for visual aids if you think that will help.



I greatly apologize for not being current on this. I have been rather preoccupied with my own country's ****show over the last few years.

It is complex economically and extremely political. It would be best if a Brit explains the situation I think.

Personally, I think the Brits were hoodwinked and didn't fully appreciate what they were voting for way back when.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Sammy Wilson MP, DUP – “Theresa May has to go back to the EU and tell them the current deal won’t work and they have to come up with a better offer…….”
He goes on to pull the one that “the EU loses a big market” and then “Italy and Germany are going into recession and will quickly come to their senses.”

You can’t make it up. The DUP will however support Theresa May in tomorrow’s vote.

 

[Rexedgar]

Re: Brexit

It is complex economically and extremely political. It would be best if a Brit explains the situation I think.

Personally, I think the Brits were hoodwinked and didn't fully appreciate what they were voting for way back when.

I know exactly how they feel! Adding an element of CT here; didn’t Trump peredict the BREXIT vote?

The Brits seem to have woken up the next day and said, “wait, what did we just do?” Only a few weeks before we did the same......



Edit: the Trump prediction if iffy

Fact-check: Did Trump predict Brexit a day before? | AFP | Zululand Observer

 

[Chagos]

Honestly... a defeat by 230 clear votes should mean immediate resignation.

With just about everybody else, but this is Theresa we're talking about. She, who has taken cognitive dissonance to completely new heights.

Well, she can forget going to Brussels yet again, certainly right away. With that kind of TWO black eyes, nobody there is going to put any money on her ever again.

On the BBC forums hard Brexiteers rubbing hands that no deal is coming and 2nd referendum voters saying this defeat means Brexit has been stopped.

Yeah, May's individual cognitive dissonance is just a reflection of the general one.

But "no deal" is now the more likely option (once again:roll because a "no Brexit" won't appear automatically. It would require Art. 50 to be revoked and who has the guts to do that?

 

[Chagos]

Sammy Wilson MP, DUP – “Theresa May has to go back to the EU and tell them the current deal won’t work and they have to come up with a better offer…….”
He goes on to pull the one that “the EU loses a big market” and then “Italy and Germany are going into recession and will quickly come to their senses.”

Yeah, saw that.

Interesting how a certified troglodyte can manage to live in cloud cuckoo land. What with there maybe being clouds occurring in caves now and then but no cuckoos.

You can’t make it up. The DUP will however support Theresa May in tomorrow’s vote.

So will practically all the Tories that whacked her today.

Now it's about preventing Corbyn, AKA as sticking glued to one's fleshpot.:roll:

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: Brexit

As I understand it, May's Brexit deal has been defeated in Parliament. A vote of no confidence called ?

 

[Chagos]

Re: Brexit

OK, Brits, and other people smarter than me.

Can somebody please give me the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of what is going on with Brexit?

I shamefully admit that I don't know much about it (now or when it first happened a few years back).

Crayons and blocks are fine for visual aids if you think that will help.



I greatly apologize for not being current on this. I have been rather preoccupied with my own country's ****show over the last few years.

I second the motion Westphalian put forth.

Rather than fraying the issue by unnecessary duplication(s), the thread stickied to the top of this forum for precisely the purpose of discussing Brexit is the place to go.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

~ So will practically all the Tories that whacked her today.

Now it's about preventing Corbyn, AKA as sticking glued to one's fleshpot.:roll:

Yeah, just watched BoJo interviewed happily promising support to Theresa May.

~ It would require Art. 50 to be revoked and who has the guts to do that?

There was talk of asking for an extension but I can't see this going to Theresa May. A coalition govt maybe.

 

[Mr Person]

Re: Brexit

OK, Brits, and other people smarter than me.

Can somebody please give me the Reader's Digest Condensed Version of what is going on with Brexit?

I shamefully admit that I don't know much about it (now or when it first happened a few years back).

Crayons and blocks are fine for visual aids if you think that will help.



I greatly apologize for not being current on this. I have been rather preoccupied with my own country's ****show over the last few years.

They elected multiple versions of Trump based on similar grounds and in reliance on similar things such as proud ignorance, base dishonesty, and profound stupidity. They sold the vote to leave the EU with lies, which the idiots necessarily failed to see through. Nobody had a plan and nobody had any reason to think they could actually somehow negotiate a better deal with each EU country individually after flipping off the EU. But then, stupid is as stupid does.

They still can't agree on the plan and they're supposed to leave soon. I will not be surprised if they get down on their hands and knees to beg abjectly to be let back in. If they don't, well, they'll enjoy a depression of their own making. The imbeciles...

 

[beefheart]

Re: Brexit

As I understand it, May's Brexit deal has been defeated in Parliament. A vote of no confidence called ?

Yes, but there isn't enough support to throw her out, the small party that is in N. Ireland supports her. The DUP.

I do not want to see a wall put up between Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Of course what eventually needs to happen is that Northern Ireland becomes part of the Republic.

 

[Rexedgar]

Re: Brexit

They elected multiple versions of Trump based on similar grounds and in reliance on similar things such as proud ignorance, base dishonesty, and profound stupidity. They sold the vote to leave the EU with lies, which the idiots necessarily failed to see through. Nobody had a plan and nobody had any reason to think they could actually somehow negotiate a better deal with each EU country individually after flipping off the EU. But then, stupid is as stupid does.

They still can't agree on the plan and they're supposed to leave soon. I will not be surprised if they get down on their hands and knees to beg abjectly to be let back in. If they don't, well, they'll enjoy a depression of their own making. The imbeciles...

Careful, you presently live in a house of glass! :shock:

 

[Higgins86]

Re: Brexit

Long short of it is.

1. Cameron gave us a choice.
2. The people chose to leave the EU.
3. Cameron and his Tory cabinet jumped ship and betrayed the British people.
4. The pro EU supporters put up roadblocks
5. Our PM got pushed around by the EU and got a shocking " deal" and that deal has been shut down because of what it lacked but also because of politically motivated reasons.

Now no one knows what happens next...

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Re: Brexit

I have no idea of the complexities (sorry, no help) but what is happening is people are realizing what a disaster Brexit is. There are british just like our Trump supporters that bought right wing nationalism and Russian trolls that got them to vote in favor of Brexit.

I bet in the end they do not exit the European Union

 

[Chagos]

~.....There was talk of asking for an extension but I can't see this going to Theresa May. A coalition govt maybe.

.........with something of substance to cite as compelling reason?

Raises the question of what that would be. Brussels has already asked, nay demanded, that the UK make up its mind what it is that it actually wants. For the nth time in the last 30 weeks or so.

 

[PeteEU]

Re: Brexit

Long short of it is.

1. Cameron gave us a choice.
2. The people chose to leave the EU.
3. Cameron and his Tory cabinet jumped ship and betrayed the British people.
4. The pro EU supporters put up roadblocks
5. Our PM got pushed around by the EU and got a shocking " deal" and that deal has been shut down because of what it lacked but also because of politically motivated reasons.

Now no one knows what happens next...

Not exactly true on point 5. The PM did not get pushed around, since the EU had from the start announced its minimum requirements for Brexit. That UK is in a very weak negotiating position is not the fault of the EU is it now? The world has known about the conditions the EU have from before the referendum, and it is the British who live in a fantasy world. Even today the Tories are saying "now we can go back and negotiate a better deal".. no you cant.

Also on point 2.

17.4 million out of 66 million voted to take the UK out of the EU. Or out of 46.5 million eligible voters, 17.4 million voted to leave, but 29.1 million either voted against or did not vote...

 

[celticwar17]

Re: Brexit

First off, I don't see why people wanting to leave the EU is considered such a bad thing....or a country wanting to. Having your laws and issues be addressed by the closest government possible is the whole point of being a Independent Republic. It is ESSENTIAL that people feel like they have direct representation for the laws in their land. Huge government Bureaucracies like the EU is in direct opposite spirit to that.

People hate brexit because it's considered a Right vrs. Left wing issue..... so they immediately picked their teams.


As far as updates... I have no idea. If Brexit doesn't happen though, democracy dies in Europe.... votes mean nothing.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Re: Brexit

Long short of it is.

1. Cameron gave us a choice.
2. The people chose to leave the EU.
3. Cameron and his Tory cabinet jumped ship and betrayed the British people.
4. The pro EU supporters put up roadblocks
5. Our PM got pushed around by the EU and got a shocking " deal" and that deal has been shut down because of what it lacked but also because of politically motivated reasons.

Now no one knows what happens next...

Well it's more complex than that.

1) The EU / EEC set out what it was all about in the Treaty of Rome and has always been clear about its goals.
2) The UK set out membership (after being rejected by De Gaulle) purely as a trading bloc. No mention made of what the EU wanted or had agreed in the Treaty of Rome.
3) The UK has agitated continuously for over 45 years against what the EU / EEC had set out to achieve.
4) A wide variety of politicians have used the EU as scapegoat for our own mistakes and failures.
4) EU membership has brought down nearly every PM since we joined, Certainly every Conservative PM has been defeated over their stance on the EU.
5) In a bid to shut his own Conservative party detractors - Cameron pushed for a referendum which he lost.
6) "Leave the EU" won - but there was no clarity on what this actually mean. Even among Leave supporters there were a range of options from Norway solution to hard Brexit to "The EU will give us a bespoke deal."
7) Cameron had no Plan B, jumped ship and left the road to Brexit for a Brexiteer to organise.
8) Brexiteers failed to put up a credible candidate for Prime Minister and shot each other from day one of the referendum result.
9) The EU agreed its position within months and has stuck to it.
10) The Govt elected a reluctant Remainer as PM
11) The Govt and PM did not reach out to Brexit supporters to build a coalition to make sure Brexit succeeded.
12) Brexit secretaries did not go into negotiations with any seriousness - or preparation.
13) The shocking deal is because a) Brexiteers did not prepare agree or work together. b) The EU remained clear in its aims and agreement and did NOT march Angela Merkel to an agreement
15) Nobody knows what will happen next.

I am guessing the EU wants us out and gone sooner rather than later and have no new offer to make

 

[Westphalian]

Re: Brexit

Not exactly true on point 5. The PM did not get pushed around, since the EU had from the start announced its minimum requirements for Brexit. That UK is in a very weak negotiating position is not the fault of the EU is it now? The world has known about the conditions the EU have from before the referendum, and it is the British who live in a fantasy world. Even today the Tories are saying "now we can go back and negotiate a better deal".. no you cant.

Also on point 2.

17.4 million out of 66 million voted to take the UK out of the EU. Or out of 46.5 million eligible voters, 17.4 million voted to leave, but 29.1 million either voted against or did not vote...

:doh

On which basis there's rarely, if ever, been a majority supported decision or government anywhere in the world.


Or does such logic only apply to the Brexit referendum?

 

[Peter King]

Re: Brexit

It is complex economically and extremely political. It would be best if a Brit explains the situation I think.

Personally, I think the Brits were hoodwinked and didn't fully appreciate what they were voting for way back when.

There was the NHS lie. And people were fooled into thinking as soon as they were out they would go to Europe and say well, we will want to join the countries like Switzerland and Norway. Then they have to pay a huge sum of money to get entry to the EU market but still have to comply with EU laws and will have zero say about it.

Then there will be companies who will leave the UK or start sending some staff to live in EU countries so that they will not have problems post brexit.